[moowriece]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...303807,00.html

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=561410

No wonder Americans are hated more and more in the world!! If this is their so called "liberation and freedom", they deserve to be exterminated from this world.

[Randman]

Gee, a cut & paste job. Really taking a stand there.

btw, despite how you feel, if you have to curse, you should do it in the text. Some people view the site in the workplace and having a curseword stand out in the headline is a bit much. Not to mention younger members of the forum.


Then again, why not just delete this thread since the original poster really has nothing to offer save for a link.

[voodoo]

ya stupid ****s

[Spoogepieces]

F*ck the rest of the world.

[RAILhead]

[chris v]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
[snip

Your monkey might be on to something there.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Monkey Image

A quagmire for what? For what purpose? What was accomplished?
The "Imminent threat" of Iraq, the stockpiles WMD, the ties and FUNDING of Terrorists????

oh yeah...


Meanwhile in the real world... Another 77 killed in Baghdad today, and 152 wounded.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by chris v:
Your monkey might be on to something there.

Actually, what I should have posted to the original post is this:

[chris v]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Actually, what I should have posted to the original post is this:

Edit: never mind. I just caught the "Exterminated from the world" bit. Carry on, then..

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by mikellanes:
Meanwhile in the real world... Another 77 killed in Baghdad today, and 152 wounded.

Meanwhile, in the real world outside of the liberal focus, thousands of Sudanese are dying each month while Powell and the Bush Administration are practically beggin the UN to step up and help the situation.

Up to 10,000 people, many of them children, are dying each month from disease and violence in Darfur camps...

"We can't operate alone in this one. This is where we do need the international community," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on ABC's "This Week."

[Troll]

Whilst I usually frown on using that kind of language in civilised debate, after seeing the images taken by the Reuters team on TV and reading the Guardian piece linked in this thread, I can understand how someone could get this upset.

This is clearly a war crime. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that this one incident has probably created 100 terrorists with a desire to kill Americans and ensure Iraq is ungovernable. George Bush's foreign policy is a complete and utter disaster. From a foreign policy perspective, the US has never been worse off.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by moowriece:
No wonder Americans are hated more and more in the world!! If this is their so called "liberation and freedom", they deserve to be exterminated from this world.

Like I said 6 months ago... the Iraqi Government should authorize the US to (1) drop leaflets in Fallujah alerting the so-called civilians to leave the town within 72 hours - perhaps setting up a camp outside the city for them to live while (2) after that period, mow down the entire city.

Fallujah is the #1 cancer in this whole operaion. This whole politically-correct solution of waiting for terror attacks, then performing a few precision airstrikes is just not working.

It's telling that you feel Americans should be exterminated while the hotbed and breeding ground of the insurgency (funded by Iran) remains untouched.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Troll:
Whilst I usually frown on using that kind of language in civilised debate, after seeing the images taken by the Reuters team on TV and reading the Guardian piece linked in this thread, I can understand how someone could get this upset.

This is clearly a war crime. But that's not the worst part. The worst part is that this one incident has probably created 100 terrorists with a desire to kill Americans and ensure Iraq is ungovernable. George Bush's foreign policy is a complete and utter disaster. From a foreign policy perspective, the US has never been worse off.

Originally posted by Spoogepieces:
F*ck the rest of the world.

Of course, long-term, the rest of the world f*cks you...but that's not important if you're only trying to survive the next election.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Troll:
The worst part is that this one incident has probably created 100 terrorists with a desire to kill Americans and ensure Iraq is ungovernable.

Fallujah is the home of the insurgency. They are already terrorists. It sucks that kids are caught in this mess, but their parents have been more than encouraged for the last year to get the heck out of there.

Unfortunately, their parents are part of this insurgency, and that's why they don't move.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
the hotbed and breeding ground of the insurgency (funded by Iran)

Ah, I see the rhetoric is working.

Good! The invasion of Iran cannot be long-off then.

The master will be pleased.

[deedar]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Meanwhile, in the real world outside of the liberal focus, thousands of Sudanese are dying each month while Powell and the Bush Administration are practically beggin the UN to step up and help the situation.

The old bait and switch. Can't stay on topic because...? Maybe because we have screwed up so incredibly badly Iraq that you can't face it?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by deedar:
The old bait and switch. Can't stay on topic because...? Maybe because we have screwed up so incredibly badly Iraq that you can't face it?

LAWL! incredibly, constantly, forever and other silly extreme words.

I am glad you aren't in charge of Iraq.

The first time someone got killed, you'd be ready to pull out.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
LAWL! incredibly, constantly, forever and other silly extreme words.

I am glad you aren't in charge of Iraq.

The first time someone got killed, you'd be ready to pull out.

Is staying on topic some kind of a lost art here??

PM him if you must have a personal debate.

ON TOPIC:

The failure of the USAricans in Iraq is becoming more and more apparent. Good for Bush I think because it is a trend in the US not to change presidents when everything is F-ed up in their foreign policy (i.e. at war)

[deedar]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
LAWL! incredibly, constantly, forever and other silly extreme words.

I am glad you aren't in charge of Iraq.

The first time someone got killed, you'd be ready to pull out.

What are you talking about?

FWIW - If it were up to me, we wouldn't have been there in the first place.

WE are the problem in Iraq. Face it. George Bush screwed up royally. Now we all must pay the price. You may be glad we did what we did, or whatever, but it literally makes ME sick to my stomach - and ashamed of my country.

Have a nice day!

[Spliffdaddy]

then move.

[Randman]

Originally posted by deedar:
What are you talking about?

FWIW - If it were up to me, we wouldn't have been there in the first place.

WE are the problem in Iraq. Face it. George Bush screwed up royally. Now we all must pay the price. You may be glad we did what we did, or whatever, but it literally makes ME sick to my stomach - and ashamed of my country.URL]

Loser! At least we can all be grateful that you have no say in any matter whatsoever.

We are the problem in Iraq? Tell that to the Kurds or the other thousands of Iraqis who suffered under Saddam? Tell that to the Kuwaitis and Israelis and Iranians who were killed due to Saddam. Tell that to the parents of Americans doing their duty for their country -- and proudly.
Idiots like you and this moonrice assmunch who started this thread should be ashamed. Of yourselves!

[Troll]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Fallujah is the home of the insurgency. They are already terrorists.

How did we get from insurgent to terrorists? You seem to be saying that insurgents are terrorists and because Fallujah is the home of insurgents, anyone in Fallujah is a terrorist. I don't follow the logic.

Originally posted by spacefreak:
It sucks that kids are caught in this mess, but their parents have been more than encouraged for the last year to get the heck out of there.

I can understand people CHOOSING to leave Fallujah because it's a war zone. But they can't be forced to leave. They can't be compelled to become refugees, to leave all of their worldly possessions to be destroyed by conflict or stolen. And the fact of asking them to leave doesn't exonerate the US from taking steps to avoid injury to civilians. The US has to take the battleground as it finds it. There are civilians in Fallujah. There are journalists in Fallujah, there are civilian ambulances operating in Fallujah and if the US does not ensure that it doesn't target those civilians, then it is committing war crimes.

There's no point in playing a blame game here. The reality is that on a micro level, the US has committed war crimes and they need to start investigating and prosecuting people for those crimes. On a macro level, US policy in Iraq and the Middle East in general has failed and it needs an overhaul. The best way of changing that seems to place your "X" in the right place in November!

[Troll]

Originally posted by Randman:
Loser! At least we can all be grateful that you have no say in any matter whatsoever.

We are the problem in Iraq? Tell that to the Kurds or the other thousands of Iraqis who suffered under Saddam? Tell that to the Kuwaitis and Israelis and Iranians who were killed due to Saddam. Tell that to the parents of Americans doing their duty for their country -- and proudly.
Idiots like you and this moonrice assmunch who started this thread should be ashamed. Of yourselves!

You're confusing tenses. Deedar was using the present tense and you are using the past. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Saddam WAS the problem in Iraq.
The USA IS the problem in Iraq.

[Spliffdaddy]

Iraqis are the problem in Iraq.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Iraqis are the problem in Iraq.

Seems to be the same conclusion reached by the US army because they are indiscriminantly shooting and killing civilians now. From helicopters. Can't the best and the bravest kill innocent people face to face?

You can keep your country if this is what it stands for.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Iraqis are the problem in Iraq.

That may well be the case. George Bush bought the problem by invading though so it is now your problem too!

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
then move.

No: vote.

[Randman]

Well, Troll, if you're so damn smart, how do you solve the problems in Iraq? All of them?

Or do you just live up to your name and have nothing to contribute?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Seems to be the same conclusion reached by the US army because they are indiscriminantly shooting and killing civilians now. From helicopters. Can't the best and the bravest kill innocent people face to face?

You can keep your country if this is what it stands for.

The 'disabled' personnel carrier was destroyed to prevent its contents from being looted and thereafter used to kill other Americans. The lesson: Don't approach military vehicles. doh.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Randman:
Well, Troll, if you're so damn smart, how do you solve the problems in Iraq? All of them?

Or do you just live up to your name and have nothing to contribute?

:clap clap clap:



Welcome to 3rd grade. That question was pure rhetoric. Me and Troll could suggest a lot of things we think would help but there is no way for us to have them executed so it is all hypothetical anyway. The best we can hope for is that someone with more brains than Bush will be elected this november in the US as president.

Ideas to stabilze Iraq include:
- respect the people and their wishes
- bring in the UN
- kick out the current USArican puppet leaders
- both in Afghanistan and Iraq in fact
- make every effort to build the Iraqi infrastructure asap outside the warzones
- close to 100% of Iraqis can read so distributing news and information to the population should be paramount
- consider seriously splitting the country in two or three smaller ones


just a few ideas.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The 'disabled' personnel carrier was destroyed to prevent its contents from being looted and thereafter used to kill other Americans. The lesson: Don't approach military vehicles. doh.

Lesson two: don't trust USAricans they don't value your life
Lesson three: Maybe that Al Qaida recruiter was right all along about the USAricans

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Troll:
I can understand people CHOOSING to leave Fallujah because it's a war zone. But they can't be forced to leave. They can't be compelled to become refugees, to leave all of their worldly possessions to be destroyed by conflict or stolen. And the fact of asking them to leave doesn't exonerate the US from taking steps to avoid injury to civilians.

Fallujah residents were warned on April 27th, and Fallujah residents were warned on July 28th. via airdrpped leaflets.

Any responsible parent who was not part of any insurgency or terror group would have gotten their family out of there.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Troll:
How did we get from insurgent to terrorists? You seem to be saying that insurgents are terrorists and because Fallujah is the home of insurgents, anyone in Fallujah is a terrorist. I don't follow the logic.

Insurgetns fight Armed forces. Terrorists plan and carry out attacks on innocent civilians. If a person ins engaged in both activities, then they are considered to be both.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by deedar:
The old bait and switch. Can't stay on topic because...? Maybe because we have screwed up so incredibly badly Iraq that you can't face it?

I was just pointing out your transparency. You claim to care so much about human life, but when it comes down to it, you only care about that loss of human life that suits your liberal agenda.

[Spliffdaddy]

Looks like the people who were killed are the same ones that 'disabled' the American vehicle. Looks like we missed a few though. drats.

[Randman]

- respect the people and their wishes

And when people have very different opinions on a subject and they are willing to fight and kill to make their point heard?

- bring in the UN

Has the UN really done anything significant? Africa? What about all of the abuse by peacekeepers there? Why aren't people up in arms over that?
Bosnia? Anywhere?

- kick out the current puppet leaders

And who shall lead? Why not just give the country back to the Baathists?

- both in Afghanistan and Iraq in fact

Afghanistan is basically in anarchy, so what would removing the current regime do other than force a lot of countries to pull back monetary aid?

- make every effort to build the Iraqi infrastructure asap outside the warzones

Even when Iraqis are killing Iraqis? How do you do this when police recruits are targets?

- close to 100% of Iraqis can read so distributing news and information to the population should be paramount

Several groups of independent press groups are working on that. Non-American groups. The BBC has reports on the group in Agfghanistan. Very interesting read.

- consider seriously splitting the country in two or three smaller ones

And end up in civil war??

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Looks like the people who were killed are the same ones that 'disabled' the American vehicle. Looks like we missed a few though. drats.

What part of the word WAR eludes liberals?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Fallujah residents were warned on April 27th, and Fallujah residents were warned on July 28th. via airdrpped leaflets.

Any responsible parent who was not part of any insurgency or terror group would have gotten their family out of there.

Well, that's certainly an ... interesting ... perspective you have there.

Can we conclude that every single employer who had offices in the World Trade Center after about 1993 was irresponsible and deserved what happened on 9/11?

They were warned, after all - by actual explosives, not just lame pieces of paper.

Or might there be other aspects to consider?

-s*

[Randman]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Maybe that Al Qaida recruiter was right all along about the USAricans

Yes, the same AQ recruiter who blew up bombs in YOUR country and killed people of YOUR nation.

But I guess bless Allah that Spanish infidels were slaughtered like lambs, eh?

I just hope a spineless twit such as you doesn't hail from the same part of Spain that my ancestors did.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by dcolton:
What part of the word WAR eludes liberals?

Your CIC seems to think all major combat is over in Iraq. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

[Randman]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Your CIC seems to think all major combat is over in Iraq. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Yes, major combat between the armies of the two countries. And a mission can be a part of the entire plan. Saddam out, his two sons killed? Yep, Mission accomplished.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Looks like the people who were killed are the same ones that 'disabled' the American vehicle. Looks like we missed a few though. drats.

oh, yeah, right. that guy changed from his terrorist uniform into a reporter outfit...kind of like a "reversal" superman.

the question is, - what would brian boitano do?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Well, that's certainly an ... interesting ... perspective you have there.

Can we conclude that every single employer who had offices in the World Trade Center after about 1993 was irresponsible and deserved what happened on 9/11?

They were warned, after all - by actual explosives, not just lame pieces of paper.

Or might there be other aspects to consider?

-s*

So what the hell do you suppose American's should do? Let the Iraqi terrorist continue to terrorize the streets. COntinue to attack coalition soldiers and torment their own people? The Iraqi's are lucky that Americans are benevolent liberators.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Your CIC seems to think all major combat is over in Iraq. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

SInce Bush said that, we just give up? Walk away. Actually, I say we DO just walk away from Iraq. Without a leash, they will effectively kill each other and the issue would be resolved.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by phoenixboy70:
what would brian boitano do?

lol

[voodoo]

Originally posted by Randman:
Yes, the same AQ recruiter who blew up bombs in YOUR country and killed people of YOUR nation.

But I guess bless Allah that Spanish infidels were slaughtered like lambs, eh?

I just hope a spineless twit such as you doesn't hail from the same part of Spain that my ancestors did.

Yes, and? I don't care for your spineless people to create any more of those whackos. Thanks a lot!

The rest of your post is just insane. I'm not muslim I'm Christian, I'm disgusted by the actions of the islamic terrorists and the USArican fools. I don't want to see any more killing of innocent civilians, not here in Spain, Iraq or the US but you seem to be fine with the idea that your military is creating more and more terrorists every day.

Iraq used to be free of terrorists. Now, after the US invaded it is a breeding ground. Not the least because of inane actions by your forces like this one.

[ebuddy]

What you see here is those that hate America use a botched attack to hate America. Nothing new. So, by our main posters point of view-all those who kill innocent civilians should be "exterminated from the earth". What do you do when another terrorist bombs innocent civilians? Well, they're freedom fighters of course. Okay, just so we Americans can maintain our right to live on earth free from extermination-consider us freedom fighters. Move along...

[Spliffdaddy]

just hide and don't do anything to piss 'em off. Let them have their way.

otherwise we'll be called 'weak'.

lol.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
What you see here is those that hate America use a botched attack to hate America. Nothing new. So, by our main posters point of view-all those who kill innocent civilians should be "exterminated from the earth". What do you do when another terrorist bombs innocent civilians? Well, they're freedom fighters of course. Okay, just so we Americans can maintain our right to live on earth free from extermination-consider us freedom fighters. Move along...

I don't agree with anything in this post, and I know almost all who think like me would agree - except taliesin he's the only terrorist sympathizer I'm certain of.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by voodoo:
I don't agree with anything in this post, and I know almost all who think like me would agree - except taliesin he's the only terrorist sympathizer I'm certain of.

You don't have to agree with it - but it describes your behaviour perfectly.