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Zimphire · Sep 16, 2004, 09:59 PM

Man they are getting hateful aren't they?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...vrs10309162250

Three-year-old Sophia Parlock cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, after having their Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters on Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004, at the Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va. Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites) made a brief stop at the airport as he concluded his two-day bus tour to locations in West Virginia and Ohio. (AP Photo/Randy Snyder)

And when I say "They" I don't mean all Kerry supporters. So no knee jerks please.

dcmacdaddy · Sep 16, 2004, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Man they are getting hateful aren't they?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...vrs10309162250

Three-year-old Sophia Parlock cries while seated on the shoulders of her father, Phil Parlock, after having their Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters on Thursday, Sept. 16, 2004, at the Tri-State Airport in Huntington, W.Va. Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (news - web sites) made a brief stop at the airport as he concluded his two-day bus tour to locations in West Virginia and Ohio. (AP Photo/Randy Snyder)

And when I say "They" I don't mean all Kerry supporters. So no knee jerks please.

Well, who do you mean then when you say "They". If you meant to criticize just the
overly zealous and rude Kerry supporters featured in this article then you need to say so.

Zimphire · Sep 16, 2004, 10:06 PM

I am talking about extreme anyone. Kerry or Bush supporters.

This is just SILLY.

Poor girl.

The kid on the lower right looks like he is about to go kick someone's butt.

OldManMac · Sep 16, 2004, 10:28 PM

Hatred, Ignorance, and Fear are not the sole domain of one party or the other, although there are those here who would claim that.

TeknoTurd · Sep 16, 2004, 10:29 PM

That's absurd, political affiliation aside, ANYONE who pulls stuff like that should be publicly humiliated.

OldManMac · Sep 16, 2004, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by TeknoTurd:
That's absurd, political affiliation aside, ANYONE who pulls stuff like that should be publicly humiliated.

I agree 100%, and I didn't make that clear.

BRussell · Sep 17, 2004, 09:14 AM

Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Wiskedjak · Sep 17, 2004, 09:41 AM

I wouldn't really call it "hateful". More like stupid.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 17, 2004, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Secret__Police · Sep 17, 2004, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Wow, what are the odds of that

Zimphire · Sep 17, 2004, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Yeah...

spacefreak · Sep 17, 2004, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Secret__Police:
Wow, what are the odds of that

Who cares if this man likes to attend Democrat rallies with his GOP signs. That's his right, no?

What I do fault him for is bringing his kids to an event where he knows, because of his actions, the liklihood of some bad situation taking place is increased. That's just an irresponsible parent. I didn't like it when parents paraded their kids and babies at the NYC GOP convention protests, either.

The claim that the union guy is his son in disguise is a reach. Not only has the IUPAT issued an apology on behalf of it's "overzealous member" (something the Democrat Undergound bloggers conveniently ignore) - the DU and it's rabid followers have taken the additional steps of posting this man's home address, phone numbers, work address, kids' photos, school and home addresses, etc. all over the internet in an effort to promote more harassment.

Furthermore, there were other IUPAT members at the rally. Wouldn't one of them at least approach the "imposter" and say 'hi', and maybe ask about his chapter, etc?

Still, Mr. Pollack needs to leave his kids at home. Makin a point for the cameras is one thing. But endangering a child in an atmosphere where his actions are likely to provoke hostility is completely irresponsible.

BRussell · Sep 17, 2004, 11:51 AM

It's more than just taking his kids. Every election for the past three elections this guy has been able to get a story written about him in the papers, every time with the same basic story line: Nice family goes to support a Republican but gets attacked by nasty democrats. You just can't get that to happen unless it's planned. I'm sure those types of things happen all the time with political rallies, and yet this guy gets an article - pictures and all - every time.

I don't know if the union guy was a plant, and the blogger I quoted just guessed that it was a possibility, given the resemblance. But even if it's not, it's clearly a set up.

deedar · Sep 17, 2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by BRussell:
Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Nice find. Poor family has had just a run of bad luck...

MindFad · Sep 17, 2004, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by TeknoTurd:
That's absurd, political affiliation aside, ANYONE who pulls stuff like that should be publicly humiliated.

I know, **** that little girl.

Originally posted by BRussell:
Check this out. This kind of thing magically seems to happen to them every election year. It's a pretty good bet that it's staged.

Ah, that's hilarious.

OldManMac · Sep 17, 2004, 11:59 AM

Wow, this is scary! I agree with spacefreak!

Whatever else is going as regards this clown's motives, he's being a very irresponsible parent to some young children!

spacefreak · Sep 17, 2004, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by BRussell:
It's more than just taking his kids. Every election for the past three elections this guy has been able to get a story written about him in the papers, every time with the same basic story line: Nice family goes to support a Republican but gets attacked by nasty democrats. You just can't get that to happen unless it's planned. I'm sure those types of things happen all the time with political rallies, and yet this guy gets an article - pictures and all - every time.

Please post links to previous news photos of this guy. I see the stories, but you say photos too. Surely you have some links to these.

It's not hard to anger rabid liberals. Read any of the hundreds of accounts of GOP delegates in NYC being harassed without provocation (unless an event badge is provocation). 6 months ago, I was walking down the street and approached by a couple liberal protestors (there was a group outside the Army recruiting office) who wanted to give me some crappy pamphlet. When I said I supported Bush, one asked if I felt comfortable about being ignorant while the other said something back to the group where they started a screaming a "Bush Lies Thousands Die" chant at the top of their lungs.

When I turned to the group and chuckled while turning to walk away, they took their volume to a level I didn't think was achievable.

Of course, if the Democrat supporters just ignored this Republican, there would be no story.

spacefreak · Sep 17, 2004, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by KarlG:
Wow, this is scary! I agree with spacefreak!

Welcome!

PM me your address and I'll be sure to get you some Bush-Cheney stickers for your car.

BRussell · Sep 17, 2004, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Please post links to previous news photos of this guy. I see the stories, but you say photos too. Surely you have some links to these.

I don't have the links to the stories, because they're from a Lexis-Nexis search rather than the web. But in that thread from that liberal blog, someone says they found that it was the same photographer, and he must have known that it was a set up since it was the same photographer. I was just going by that, but I don't know it for sure.

They also found that this guy (the father) admitted to intentionally staging the incident in a thread in a conservative forum. The links are in that democratic underground thread.

Zimphire · Sep 17, 2004, 12:37 PM

I'd love to see said forum.

PacHead · Sep 17, 2004, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by BRussell:
I don't have the links to the stories, because they're from a Lexis-Nexis search rather than the web. But in that thread from that liberal blog, someone says they found that it was the same photographer, and he must have known that it was a set up since it was the same photographer. I was just going by that, but I don't know it for sure.

They also found that this guy (the father) admitted to intentionally staging the incident in a thread in a conservative forum. The links are in that democratic underground thread.

And we should we believe some leftist blog ?

If leftists attack 3 year old kids, surely it's no big deal for them to lie and make things up also.

deedar · Sep 17, 2004, 01:57 PM

You could call him and ask him what happened.

MindFad · Sep 17, 2004, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by deedar:
You could call him and ask him what happened.

It's cool. I just signed him up for the Kerry campaign instead.

Zimphire · Sep 17, 2004, 02:00 PM

I am sure deeder got that from a leftist page asking for such things.

deedar · Sep 17, 2004, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I am sure deeder got that from a leftist page asking for such things.

Just a simple google search of his name.

hugs and kisses -

deedar

vmarks · 03:34 PM

Originally posted by BRussell:
I don't have the links to the stories, because they're from a Lexis-Nexis search rather than the web. But in that thread from that liberal blog, someone says they found that it was the same photographer, and he must have known that it was a set up since it was the same photographer. I was just going by that, but I don't know it for sure.

They also found that this guy (the father) admitted to intentionally staging the incident in a thread in a conservative forum. The links are in that democratic underground thread.

In a typically hate-filled post at Democratic Underground, the claim is made that this AP photograph of a three-year old girl being assaulted by Kerry supporters was -staged? by a serial disrupter,? and that the thug in the union shirt is actually his son: IMPORTANT!!! The Rethug w/ Little Girl PULLED SAME SH*T IN 2000!!! (Multiple exclamation points add such weight to an announcement, don't you think?)

Please note: interviewed on the Glenn Beck radio show, Phil Parlock categorically denied that the person in the photos holding a piece of a torn sign is his son. And the attempts to prove it at Democratic Underground are laughable. If some real evidence shows up to support this claim, I'll be sure to take note of it.

But the prevailing belief in the fever swamps seems to be that if you show up at a Democratic rally with a "Rethuglican"? sign, you deserve anything that happens to you. Or to your children.

In a second AP photo of the incident, you can see the thug's union buddies pushing him away from the cameras, as others rush in with signs to block the view of the crying little girl.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...vrs10109170018

And on a final note, the union apologized for the regrettable actions of their member.

http://www.ibpat.org/news/WVa.html

"Statement from the General President Regarding the Events in Huntington, WV

The International Union of Painters and Allied Trades believes in the fundamental right for civil discourse, freedom of speech and activism to support our candidates and issues.

What happened in Huntington, West Virginia yesterday is an affront to everything we, as a union, pride ourselves to represent. We extend our apologies to the Parlock family, especially Sophia, for the distress one of our overzealous members caused them.

I have personally taken steps to address this issue internally, and will take immediate disciplinary action to the fullest extent allowed under U.S. Department of Labor regulations and the constitution of the International Union of Painters and Allied Trades.

It is my hope that this incident reminds all of our members that every last citizen in this country has the right to express his or herself freely. Not one single one of us has the right to tell them otherwise.

General President James A. Williams
The International Union of Painters and Allied Trades"

-- This post owes its content to several blog posts.

EDIT: fixed chars that show up in latin iso text encoding. Use UTF-8!

PacHead · Sep 17, 2004, 03:18 PM

Good post vmarks !

I'm having trouble seeing some of your characters, is it just me ?

In some of your posts, these strange characters show up.

My Safari is set to Western (Latin).

CreepingDeth · Sep 17, 2004, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Good post vmarks !

I'm having trouble seeing some of your characters, is it just me ?

In some of your posts, these strange characters show up.

My Safari is set to Western (Latin).

Yeah, alot of the text looks like I slamed my hand on the keyboard holding the option key down.
Are you saying this was done by the commies at DU?

vmarks · Sep 17, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Good post vmarks !

I'm having trouble seeing some of your characters, is it just me ?

In some of your posts, these strange characters show up.

My Safari is set to Western (Latin).

I use UTF-8 so that I can see latin and non-latin characters. I'll go back and try and clean it up.

EDIT: fixed.

BRussell · Sep 17, 2004, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
In a typically hate-filled post at Democratic Underground, the claim is made that this AP photograph of a three-year old girl being assaulted by Kerry supporters was -staged? by a serial disrupter,? and that the thug in the union shirt is actually his son: IMPORTANT!!! The Rethug w/ Little Girl PULLED SAME SH*T IN 2000!!! (Multiple exclamation points add such weight to an announcement, don't you think?)

Please note: interviewed on the Glenn Beck radio show, Phil Parlock categorically denied that the person in the photos holding a piece of a torn sign is his son. And the attempts to prove it at Democratic Underground are laughable. If some real evidence shows up to support this claim, I'll be sure to take note of it.

But the prevailing belief in the fever swamps seems to be that if you show up at a Democratic rally with a "Rethuglican"? sign, you deserve anything that happens to you. Or to your children.

He "pulled the same sh*t" in 200 and 1996 - goes to a democratic rally with republican signs, gets his sign grabbed, and then gets a news story out of it. Doesn't that seem fishy to you? How in the world could the exact same thing happen over and over again?

About the guy - if it was a union member, of course they should apologize. Given the fact that this is a, uh, pattern, and that there is a resemblance between that guy in the picture and the family, it doesn't seem too big of a leap to think it might not be a real union member. And the apology from the union, while appropriate, doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of the facts of the event. They could have been fooled just like everyone else.