[Y3a]

They are claiming they were misled about the documents. To read Blathers statement, you also get the impression that no one is to BLAME.

I guess they will be changing the wording to be:

C-Clown
B -Broadcasting
S-Sh:+

The question is WHEN will Dan Blather be retired? I think after the Bush 2nd term starts.

After seeing REAL documents vs the CBS fakes I wonder what took them THAT long to figure they had been hoodwinked??

[Zimphire]

[Spliffdaddy]

CBS was hoping the story would die on the vine.

They knew they were taking a risk, but figured the other networks were pro-Kerry and would play along nicely. Reckon they forgot about FOX.

Oh well, Dan Rather hasn't lost much credibility - mostly because he didn't have much to lose.

[Y3a]

STATEMENT FROM DAN BATHER:

Last week, amid increasing questions about the authenticity of documents used in support of a 60 MINUTES WEDNESDAY story about President Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard, CBS News vowed to re-examine the documents in question—and their source—vigorously. And we promised that we would let the American public know what this examination turned up, whatever the outcome.

Now, after extensive additional interviews, I no longer have the confidence in these documents that would allow us to continue vouching for them journalistically. I find we have been misled on the key question of how our source for the documents came into possession of these papers. That, combined with some of the questions that have been raised in public and in the press, leads me to a point where—if I knew then what I know now—I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question.

But we did use the documents. We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. ++It was an error that was made++, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism.

Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully.

==========================
++It was an error that was made++ ???????

NO DAN... YOU AND CBS MADE THE ERROR!! Jeez. You been learning to tell the truth from Clinton?

[BoomStick]

Looks like ole Dan will be going the way of Connie Chung.


seeBS "news" needs to give up the source so charges of libel and slander can be charged.

That would probably disqualify Kerry's bid for president though.

[placebo1969]

So, let me get this straight? CBS/Rather gets information that is presented to them, supposedly confirmed by others and then turns out it was false. And now they want to play the victim. But the Bush administration gets information regarding Iraq/WMD, which is cofirmed from several countries, and they're vilified? Got it.

[deedar]

They certainly are the fools for not confirming their sources. I'll tell you what though, this has Karl Rove written all over it. You wait and see.

[BRussell]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
So, let me get this straight? CBS/Rather gets information that is presented to them, supposedly confirmed by others and then turns out it was false. And now they want to play the victim. But the Bush administration gets information regarding Iraq/WMD, which is cofirmed from several countries, and they're vilified? Got it.

Exactly. I mean, the president only took the nation to war on falsehoods. This Dan Rather did a 10-MINUTE REPORT ON THE NEWS, for God's sake!

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by deedar:
I'll tell you what though, this has got Karl Rove written all over it. You wait and see.

Oh, so that's the spin now. Thanks for letting us know.

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
So, let me get this straight? CBS/Rather gets information that is presented to them, supposedly confirmed by others and then turns out it was false. And now they want to play the victim. But the Bush administration gets information regarding Iraq/WMD, which is cofirmed from several countries, and they're vilified? Got it.

What's more, Dan Rather has personally apologized, and taken at least some responsibility for the foul up. Bush, on the other hand, refuses to take responsibility for anything, and instead of admitting he was wrong, changed the justification.

It would be like Rather claiming that the documents are now justified by the goal of liberating the White House because he got bad intel on the quality of the documents.

BlackGriffen

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by BlackGriffen:
What's more, Dan Rather has personally apologized, and taken at least some responsibility for the foul up. Bush, on the other hand, refuses to take responsibility for anything, and instead of admitting he was wrong, changed the justification.

It would be like Rather claiming that the documents are now justified by the goal of liberating the White House because he got bad intel on the quality of the documents.

BlackGriffen

Yep, Rather admitted it alright, after he was cornered and couldn't lie his way out of it anymore.

What a joke and a fiasco. The "Communist Broadcast System" strikes again.

[deedar]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Oh, so that's the spin now. Thanks for letting us know.

No spin. Just my prediction.

[deedar]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Yep, Rather admitted it alright, after he was cornered and couldn't lie his way out of it anymore.

What a joke and a fiasco. The "Communist Broadcast System" strikes again.

Clearly, judging by your comments - this is indeed the "No Spin Zone."

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by BRussell:
Exactly. I mean, the president only took the nation to war on falsehoods. This Dan Rather did a 10-MINUTE REPORT ON THE NEWS, for God's sake!

My point is that you have the left defending Rather seemingly wanting the documents to be true, despite evidence to the contrary. With the Iraq/WMD issue, several countries pointed to evidence that there were WMD. It wasn’t just Bush who said this. Clinton, Russian, UK, etc. Now, I’m not trying to say these 2 incidents are on the same level, but it does seem hypocritical to blame one side and not the other.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by deedar:
Clearly, judging by your comments - this is indeed the "No Spin Zone."

Both sides spin, always have.

[deedar]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Both sides spin, always have.

Youbetcha!

[RAILhead]

Any way you slice it, Dan Ratherbiased and CBS have been



Maury

[deedar]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
My point is that you have the left defending Rather seemingly wanting the documents to be true, despite evidence to the contrary. With the Iraq/WMD issue, several countries pointed to evidence that there were WMD. It wasn’t just Bush who said this. Clinton, Russian, UK, etc. Now, I’m not trying to say these 2 incidents are on the same level, but it does seem hypocritical to blame one side and not the other.

This would be true if it were, uhh, true....

Who is defending Rather? He screwed up. And, unlike our prez, he admits it.

[Zimphire]

Waiting for CBS to be on

[PacHead]

I think he knew they were fake, and he intentionally went along with the story.

They, c-BS, didn't even listen to their own "experts" who had doubts. They wanted these to be real.

[Cody Dawg]

There's no question that Rather is a leftie.

But, I admire him for apologizing.

I really do. It took some big boots to do so in such an earnest way.

Props to him!

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
There's no question that Rather is a leftie.

But, I admire him for apologizing.

I really do. It took some big boots to do so in such an earnest way.

Props to him!

I don't admire him for apologizing. He had no other choice I suppose. He was backed into a corner, and he was still foolishly defending their authenticity last week, even when there was a mountain of evidence growing. They even stubbornly refused to conduct an internal investigation, because they didn't care.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by deedar:
This would be true if it were, uhh, true....

Who is defending Rather? He screwed up. And, unlike our prez, he admits it.

It seems to me that Rather was forced to admit it. The evidence shows that CBS/Rather ignored any evidence that showed the documents were forgeries. That is why it doesn't seem a big deal that he apologized. But I guess it's better that he did.

EDIT: Okay, he didn't apologize. Any credibility that he had is gone, in my opinion.

[Y3a]

WHERE IS IT THAT HE APPOLGIZED??

HE is claiming that he was an innocent victim, and that (insert Kerry supporter here) duped the trusting yet stupid CBS and Blather. He claims no responsibility, and should be appologizing to the president for the smear.

Even MORE important is how good are CBS' "Experts" ?? Are they such 5th rate poor quality professionals that they didn't know right off that they were fake. The proportional fonts, the incorrect lingo, and the fact that the dates of the guy signing the documents had retired BEFORE the date on the document. What kind of other research has CBS done and should we question all other stories they did over the last 20 years? Passing off opinions as "NEWS" is standard procedure with CBS ???????

[BlackGriffen]

Originally posted by Y3a:
WHERE IS IT THAT HE APPOLGIZED??

Did you read the statement you posted?

From the statement you posted:

[...]
But we did use the documents. We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. ++It was an error that was made++, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism.
[...]

BG

[Zimphire]

No. Dan knew this info was shady. He had been told BEFORE it was aired it was.

He wanted to air it anyhow.

His intentions are clear. Anyone with half a brain wont buy it.

[CreepingDeth]

Can you believe a thread about this subject went on for 9 pages and someone still believed they were true?

Nobody will remember this. This won't sink CBS. Don't get your hopes up.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Can you believe a thread about this subject went on for 9 pages and someone still believed they were true?

Nobody will remember this. This won't sink CBS. Don't get your hopes up.

Plenty of people will remember this, just not some liberalwackos. I was on some other forum before, and there are still wackos saying, "well, duh, um, the story might still true....."

Retards. . . . . . .

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Plenty of people will remember this, just not some liberalwackos. I was on some other forum before, and there are still wackos saying, "well, duh, um, the story might still true....."

Retards. . . . . . .

People still buy the NYT, LAT, SF Chronicle, Daily Worker, ISR, PRogressive, Mother Jones…

Lies don't destroy a paper as easily as everyone would like em to.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Can you believe a thread about this subject went on for 9 pages and someone still believed they were true?

Nobody will remember this. This won't sink CBS. Don't get your hopes up.

It is of no surprise who the ones that "wanted to believe" were.

If anything. This has helped Bush.

Way to go.

[deedar]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No. Dan knew this info was shady. He had been told BEFORE it was aired it was.

He wanted to air it anyhow.

His intentions are clear. Anyone with half a brain wont buy it.

Well, well. That certainly means that YOU won't be buying it, doesn't it?

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It is of no surprise who the ones that "wanted to believe" were.

If anything. This has helped Bush.

Way to go.

Not exactly sure bout that one. Maybe people equated the bogus documents to the story and withdrew criticism, but maybe not.
Of course people like anag0k want to believe, but nothing will stop them.

[insert MindFad "I want to believe" Picture]

OT, Zimph, how can I make the text in my sig look a lil sharper but not pixely?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by deedar:
Well, well. That certainly menas that YOU won't be buying it, doesn't it?

On the other hand, it must mean that anybody who still buys it has no brain at all.

[BRussell]

You know, the conservatives have had such a rough time of it during the past 4 years, I'm glad they have this little victory to gloat about. I was beginning to worry about them, but now their self-esteem is back again. Chin up there fellahs!

[deedar]

Originally posted by PacHead:
On the other hand, it must mean that anybody who still buys it has no brain at all.

I would agree with you.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by BRussell:
You know, the conservatives have had such a rough time of it during the past 4 years, I'm glad they have this little victory to gloat about. I was beginning to worry about them, but now their self-esteem is back again. Chin up there fellahs!

The biggest victory is yet to come.



I might donate some kleenex to fellow forum members, so that they can wipe off their tears.

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by BRussell:
You know, the conservatives have had such a rough time of it during the past 4 years, I'm glad they have this little victory to gloat about. I was beginning to worry about them, but now their self-esteem is back again. Chin up there fellahs!

I haven't had a rough time at all. I'd talk about all the ways Bush has helped me and my family (taxes, jobs, business, etc.) but then I'd just get tagged as a show-boater or gloater or "Rich White American" as someone here called me once.

My chin's been up the whole time, mien kapitan!

[tie]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
So, let me get this straight? CBS/Rather gets information that is presented to them, supposedly confirmed by others and then turns out it was false. And now they want to play the victim. But the Bush administration gets information regarding Iraq/WMD, which is cofirmed from several countries, and they're vilified? Got it.

No, I can't tell the difference between WMD and guard service either. I find it more interesting that Bush supporters think Rather should be fired for relying on forged information, while they aren't concerned that Bush let forged information into his State of the Union speech. We went to war based on false information, and that is less important? Maybe three years from now, CBS will decide to start to update its procedures (just like the Bush administration has waited three years after 9/11 to even begin to reform our faulty intelligence system).

The reason Bush supporters most often give for supporting his actions in Iraq despite them being based on false evidence is that the war was a good thing anyway. I.e., despite lying to the world, Bush basically made the right decision, it turns out, so it is okay.

But CBS basically got the story right, even if the documents were false. So shouldn't it be okay?

(This is ridiculous conservative "logic," not my own. Myself, I don't think Bush or Rather should be let off the hook.)

[tie]

Originally posted by Y3a:
STATEMENT FROM DAN RATHER:

Last week, amid increasing questions about the authenticity of documents used in support of a 60 MINUTES WEDNESDAY story about President Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard, CBS News vowed to re-examine the documents in question—and their source—vigorously. And we promised that we would let the American public know what this examination turned up, whatever the outcome.
...
But we did use the documents. We made a mistake in judgment, and for that I am sorry. ++It was an error that was made++, however, in good faith and in the spirit of trying to carry on a CBS News tradition of investigative reporting without fear or favoritism.

Please know that nothing is more important to us than people's trust in our ability and our commitment to report fairly and truthfully.

==========================
++It was an error that was made++ ???????

NO DAN... YOU AND CBS MADE THE ERROR!! Jeez. You been learning to tell the truth from Clinton?

I think you mean Bush. Has Bush taken any responsibility for any of his mistakes? (Answer: No, the buck stops nowhere.) Why your double standard?

[deedar]

Originally posted by tie:
The reason Bush supporters most often give for supporting his actions in Iraq despite them being based on false evidence is that the war was a good thing anyway. I.e., despite lying to the world, Bush basically made the right decision, it turns out, so it is okay.

But CBS basically got the story right, even if the documents were false. So shouldn't it be okay?

Well put.

[tie]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
I haven't had a rough time at all. I'd talk about all the ways Bush has helped me and my family (taxes, jobs, business, etc.) but then I'd just get tagged as a show-boater or gloater or "Rich White American" as someone here called me once.

My chin's been up the whole time, mien kapitan!

While the rest of the country is fighting a war against terrorism and another war in Iraq, while worrying about nuclear programs in North Korea and Iran, RAILhead has had his taxes cut. Chin up! (Budget deficit? What, what?)

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by deedar:
Well, well. That certainly means that YOU won't be buying it, doesn't it?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by BRussell:
You know, the conservatives have had such a rough time of it during the past 4 years,

Rough time? Are you kidding me? It's been a GRAND ole time.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Rough time? Are you kidding me? It's been a GRAND ole time. [/B]

It's looking like it's about to get GRANDER.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by tie:
No, I can't tell the difference between WMD and guard service either. I find it more interesting that Bush supporters think Rather should be fired for relying on forged information, while they aren't concerned that Bush let forged information into his State of the Union speech. We went to war based on false information, and that is less important? Maybe three years from now, CBS will decide to start to update its procedures (just like the Bush administration has waited three years after 9/11 to even begin to reform our faulty intelligence system).

This thread isn't about WMD or Iraq, it's about Blather and Co. and their obvious lies and treachery. Take it to an appropriate thread.

[tie]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
This thread isn't about WMD or Iraq, it's about Blather and Co. and their obvious lies and treachery. Take it to an appropriate thread.

The CBS story is about Bush. My post was about Bush in the context of the story about the CBS story, responding to Y3a. I don't see your problem, and don't appreciate your pseudo-moderation.

Now your post on the other hand is completely off topic. As is this one. As are the above posts by Zimphire, PacHead, and deedar. Y3a's post of course brought Clinton into it, but that's to be expected. Why don't you now moderate them all, and drive this thread even more off-topic?

[deedar]

Originally posted by tie:
The CBS story is about Bush. My post was about Bush in the context of the story about the CBS story, responding to Y3a. I don't see your problem, and don't appreciate your pseudo-moderation.

Now your post on the other hand is completely off topic. As is this one. As are the above posts by Zimphire, PacHead, and deedar. Y3a's post of course brought Clinton into it, but that's to be expected. Why don't you now moderate them all, and drive this thread even more off-topic?

Guilty as charged.

I just couldn't help myself.

[PacHead]

Criminal prosecution of the guilty one ?

The person/persons can be prosecuted under Texas state law, and under Federal law.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by tie:
The CBS story is about Bush. My post was about Bush in the context of the story about the CBS story, responding to Y3a. I don't see your problem, and don't appreciate your pseudo-moderation.

Ooooo... the Rather/CBS lying thing must really have you guys hot under the collar. LOL!

Tell you what, I can remind people to stay on topic, or report it to a mod and have them swat you. Which is it?

[deedar]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Criminal prosecution of the guilty one ?

The person/persons can be prosecuted under Texas state law, and under Federal law.

Please, please, for the love of god, not under TEXAS state law!!!!