[CreepingDeth]

Damn terrorists!

AP

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - A Web site posting Monday claimed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's group has beheaded one of the American hostages in Iraq and that others would soon be killed. The claim could not be verified.

The short statement was posted by a Web site contributor using the pseudonym Abu Maysara al-Iraqi, who has put up past statements signed in the name of the Tawhid and Jihad group.

The posting promised video proof "soon."

Al-Zarqawi "has beheaded the first American. The group will next behead the others," the statement said.

The reliability and authenticity of such statements, videos and pictures, which appear frequently on Internet sites known for their Islamic content, cannot be known for certain.

In July, a statement was posted by what was described as the "media department" of Tawhid and Jihad saying that all of the group's statements would only be posted through al-Iraqi.

In a previous videotape issued in the name of Tawhid and Jihad, militants threatened to behead Americans Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong and Briton Kenneth Bigley on Monday unless Iraqi women are released from two U.S.-controlled prisons in Iraq. The brief posting did not say which American had been killed.

The three construction contractors were snatched Thursday from their Baghdad home.

[dcolton]

Beyond belief. Carpet bombing is effective. Let's end this conflict and move on to Syria and Iran!

[PacHead]

Religion of peace™ ? More like Religion of pieces™.

[Mithras]

Originally posted by dcolton:

Beyond belief. Carpet bombing is effective. Let's end this conflict and move on to Syria and Iran!

Yes, and Abu Ghraib justifies another September 11! Punish the many for the crimes of the few, that's what my daddy taught me.

Seriously, how very sad. I'm so sorry to the families of these men. I do hope we can bring the criminals to justice.

[CreepingDeth]

On standby for justification…

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
On standby for justification…

You just saw it.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
You just saw it.

Who…me? OR Mithras? I was thinking more of Logic or LBK.

[djohnson]

I say off with the terrorists heads!

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Who…me? OR Mithras? I was thinking more of Logic or LBK.

Don't forget eclipse, Taliesin, version, or Lysistrata.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Don't forget eclipse, Taliesin, version, or Lysistrata.

…olePigeon, anag0k, MindFad, Spheric Harlot…
A couple of other people who's names I do not remember, I think one guy with two accounts…


The only justice these people deserves is a bullet.

[eklipse]

So they offed another suspiciously innocent American? Big deal. This is not news.

I mean, - did this guy have the IQ of a donut? Iraq is a WARZONE! WTF was he thinking?

If the country you're working in gets embroiled in a guerilla war where people are killed/kidnapped daily - you don't stay, you run away!

But that's just common sense and obviously doesn't apply to stupid Americans and dumb ass contractors...

[Mithras]

eklipse, don't be a jerk. really.

[eklipse]

Originally posted by Mithras:
eklipse, don't be a jerk. really.

I'm just trying to fit in.

[PacHead]

And the terrorist muslim supporters crawl out of their hole, with their genius replies.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by eklipse:
So they offed another suspiciously innocent American? Big deal. This is not news.

I mean, - did this guy have the IQ of a donut? Iraq is a WARZONE! WTF was he thinking?

If the country you're working in gets embroiled in a guerilla war where people are killed/kidnapped daily - you don't stay, you run away!

But that's just common sense and obviously doesn't apply to stupid Americans and dumb ass contractors...

Would you like to explain those italics?
I guess you'd say the same thing about the bombing "war crimes," right? It was a warzone…

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Would you like to explain those italics?
I guess you'd say the same thing about the bombing "war crimes," right? It was a warzone…

Ok, ok, you are on the right track.... just take one more step and you might get his point. Then again you might not.

[lil'babykitten]

Originally posted by Mithras:
eklipse, don't be a jerk. really.

It's the same justification used by the likes of dcolton and Pachead whenever Iraq civilians are murdered by US troops.

eklipse's post just points out their hypocrisy.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
Ok, ok, you are on the right track.... just take one more step and you might get his point. Then again you might not.

Just saying that if his logic was applied to other situations, then he wouldn't give a **** about civilian casualties.
He was just justifying the beheading. While it's true there is danger, it's no excuse for this sub-human behavior.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
It's the same justification used by the likes of dcolton and Pachead whenever Iraq civilians are murdered by US troops.

eklipse's post just points out their hypocrisy.

People are in a bombing target.
These guys kidnap and kill someone.

Somehow, I see a difference there.

[Mithras]

Okay, re-reading eklipse's post, I can see that it was satirical. Should have included a disclaimer though, to indicate sincere feelings for the fellow. After all, the real enemies are not the numbnut freepers on this board, as much as it can feel that way sometimes...

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
He was just justifying the beheading. While it's true there is danger, it's no excuse for this sub-human behavior.

He wasn't saying that at all. Think OUTSIDE your box, dude. He was referring to your (and others) hypocrisy regarding the treatment of american versus iraqi casualties.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
He wasn't saying that at all. Think OUTSIDE your box, dude. He was referring to your (and others) hypocrisy regarding the treatment of american versus iraqi casualties.

Don't recall us beheading people. :Hmm: Unless it was one of Lerkfish/Atomic Rooster's conspiracies of the government and media.

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Don't recall us beheading people. :Hmm: Unless it was one of Lerkfish/Atomic Rooster's conspiracies of the government and media.

Beheading, blowing-up, shooting - what's the difference? Dead is dead.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
Beheading, blowing-up, shooting - what's the difference? Dead is dead.

Difference between people in a bombing target and kidnapping and murder. First was accident, second was murder.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
People are in a bombing target.
These guys kidnap and kill someone.

Somehow, I see a difference there.

Beat me to it. The US does not actively search out people, abduct them and then behead them while shouting "Allah is great."

[Solomon Grundy]

Originally posted by PacHead:
And the terrorist muslim supporters crawl out of their hole, with their genius replies.

[Mithras]

Sorry to interrupt our little internecine hatefest here, but how about a reminder of the human tragedy involved?
story of the family of one of the two remaining hostages:

A police barricade was set up on the leafy suburban street in Marietta that ends with a cul-de-sac, as local officers stopped all vehicles, trying to prevent reporters and television cameras from getting any closer to the Hensleys' home Monday afternoon. Dozens of media vehicles were parked along the otherwise quiet street leading up to the checkpoint near Hensley's modest ranch home.

Friends and neighbors approached the home on Monday and gave notes to a Cobb County police officer, who took the notes inside. Two children, schoolmates of the Hensleys' daughter, Sara, arrived in the afternoon with a stack of cards and messages.

...

On NBC's "Today" show Monday, Ty Hensley said his brother, who went to Iraq in February after failing to find construction work and needed money to support his family, recently wrote home saying he was being "staked out" and that the guards feared for their own safety.

"One told him, 'I have to leave this work, or they will kill me,'" Ty Hensley said.

Patty Hensley also appeared on Al-Jazeera television Monday, saying she believed her husband, like all Americans in Iraq, was there to help the Iraqi people.

Patty Hensley told ABC that the couple raised their 13-year-old daughter to believe that everybody in the world is good.

"Her first question to me is, `Why would anybody hurt my daddy?' I can't explain," she said.

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Difference between people in a bombing target and kidnapping and murder. First was accident, second was murder.

Maybe to you, but dead is still dead. Try telling what you percieve as the difference to the families involved.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
Maybe to you, but dead is still dead. Try telling what you percieve as the difference to the families involved.

"One of your family members was near a bombing location. They didn't see us and were hit by the missile."

"One of your sons was kidnapped and had his head cut off on video."

Accident…intentional.

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
"One of your family members was near a bombing location. They didn't see us and were hit by the missile."

"One of your sons was kidnapped and had his head cut off on video."

Accident…intentional.

Phew. My question was a rhetorical one, not literal. My point was simply that the families' loss on either side would be more or less equivalent.

Dead...dead.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
Phew. My question was a rhetorical one, not literal. My point was simply that the families' loss on either side would be more or less equivalent.

Dead...dead.

Are you going to argue that the Islamist nuts' savagery is unintentional?

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Are you going to argue that the Islamist nuts' savagery is unintentional?

Is that a real question? Of course not.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by deedar:
Maybe to you, but dead is still dead. Try telling what you percieve as the difference to the families involved.

So if I'm driving down the road and some kid darts between some cars and hit him or her that's the same as if I got drunk and plowed into a group of people or even deliberately killed someone? "Dead is dead." I have to disagree. Intention is very important. In my first example with the child, it would be tragedy for everyone involved, but an accident.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
Is that a real question? Of course not.

Placebo covered my point: These people are savages, but when people accidentally killed, it's a war crime or any equivalent, but not in the case of a beheading.

[deedar]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
So if I'm driving down the road and some kid darts between some cars and hit him or her that's the same as if I got drunk and plowed into a group of people or even deliberately killed someone? "Dead is dead." I have to disagree. Intention is very important. In my first example with the child, it would be tragedy for everyone involved, but an accident.

So you are saying that in the former case, the family of the dead kid would feel less of a loss because it was an accident? I don't think so.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by deedar:
So you are saying that in the former case, the family of the dead kid would feel less of a loss because it was an accident? I don't think so.

Probably not, but the crimes aren't equivalent.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by deedar:
So you are saying that in the former case, the family of the dead kid would feel less of a loss because it was an accident? I don't think so.

Sense of loss, probably not. While I would never want to be in any situation like that, I would be more comforted knowing that it was an accident. I would be much more upset if someone maliciously did anything to my family or friends.

[deedar]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Sense of loss, probably not. While I would never want to be in any situation like that, I would be more comforted knowing that it was an accident. I would be much more upset if someone maliciously did anything to my family or friends.

Point taken. But, what if you didn't really believe it was an accident? What if you didn't think the driver should have been there, or was speeding or something else? My guess is that a whole lot of iraqis wouldn't see this as an accident.

[CreepingDeth]

Anyone remember that episode of Law & Order where that Jewish guy was driving through NYC and a kid ran out to get his ball, the guy didn't see him, and hit the kid? The black community called the guy a racist and stuff, then attacked some other guy who wasn't even the same guy (they thought he was an "evil Jew" like the other guy) and killed someone innocent?

The first time was an accident. The second crime was murder.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by deedar:
Point taken. But, what if you didn't really believe it was an accident? What if you didn't think the driver should not have been there, or was speeding or something else? My guess is that a whole lot of iraqis wouldn't see this as an accident.

Sigh. Oh well. I guess I can see your point as well.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by deedar:
Point taken. But, what if you didn't really believe it was an accident? What if you didn't think the driver should have been there, or was speeding or something else? My guess is that a whole lot of iraqis wouldn't see this as an accident.

According to a few too many here, it no doubt doesn't matter what the Iraqis think; they're nothing but a bunch of Muslim terrorist towelhead savages. It's what the U. S. government thinks that counts. That's why we're going to "win" this war.

[Logic]

Originally posted by eklipse:
So they offed another suspiciously innocent American? Big deal. This is not news.

I mean, - did this guy have the IQ of a donut? Iraq is a WARZONE! WTF was he thinking?

If the country you're working in gets embroiled in a guerilla war where people are killed/kidnapped daily - you don't stay, you run away!

But that's just common sense and obviously doesn't apply to stupid Americans and dumb ass contractors...

But for the topic itself. More deaths, more damage to 1.5 billion people, more retribution to follow the circle of death and self-destruction...........

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Logic:


But for the topic itself. More deaths, more damage to 1.5 billion people, more retribution to follow the circle of death and self-destruction...........

Care to back that up?

[Logic]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Care to back that up?

Sure, watch the news the next 4 weeks. Then come back.

[Mithras]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Anyone remember that episode of Law & Order where that Jewish guy was driving through NYC and a kid ran out to get his ball, the guy didn't see him, and hit the kid? The black community called the guy a racist and stuff, then attacked some other guy who wasn't even the same guy (they thought he was an "evil Jew" like the other guy) and killed someone innocent?

The first time was an accident. The second crime was murder.

Episode of Law & Order? What about the real thing?

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Mithras:
Episode of Law & Order? What about the real thing?

Exactly. It kind of paralleled the LA riots too. Thanks.

Logic, what's your opinion on these beheadings? Why was it done? Was it right? Is it "legitimate?"

[Logic]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Exactly. It kind of paralleled the LA riots too. Thanks.

Logic, what's your opinion on these beheadings? Why was it done? Was it right? Is it "legitimate?"

1. It's disgusting.

2. Because they are ****ed up hateful people who are desperate for something(several different things and nothing that makes sense)

3. Nope. Not at all. It's illegal according to Islam to kill PoW's.

edit: fixed POV's to PoW's. Though killing POV is also illegal

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Logic:
1. It's disgusting.

2. Because they are ****ed up hateful people who are desperate for something(several different things and nothing that makes sense)

3. Nope. Not at all. It's illegal according to Islam to kill PoW's.

edit: fixed POV's to PoW's. Though killing POV is also illegal

1. Given
2. I think it's worse than desperation. It's evil.
3. How is he a POW? He was kidnapped, not grabbed by an army or anything.

Punishment for these assholes? And the Paul Johnson, Nick Berg, etc. be-headers?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
"One of your family members was near a bombing location. They didn't see us and were hit by the missile."

"One of your sons was kidnapped and had his head cut off on video."

Accident…intentional.

What was the bombing target of that incident, again?

careless ... intentional

More civilians have been killed accidentally in the war against terrorism than intentionally by terrorists in the same time period (including the event that precipitated the war).

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Logic:
It's illegal according to Islam to kill PoW's.

Don't you mean illegal combatants?