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Scientist · Oct 16, 2004, 08:08 PM

He is presenting 8 minutes from my house. I'll let you all know if anything fun happens.

stevesnj · Oct 16, 2004, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
He is presenting 8 minutes from my house. I'll let you all know if anything fun happens.

Shake his hand for me and thank him for his great service to America for his truth in film.

OldManMac · Oct 16, 2004, 08:50 PM

He was on Leno last night, and was pretty funny. He also offered Sinclair broadcasting F 9/11 for free broadcasting, to balance out the anti-Kerry story they're showing.

Scientist · Oct 17, 2004, 12:31 AM

I'm back from the thing. MM was pretty funny. I detest politics in general and the whole "us" vs "them" mentality of his speech bothered me. It was also very hard to tell when he was using joke facts and when they were supposed to be real. He did a good job of making fun of the annoying pro-bush hecklers. That was probably the highlight. I'm glad I went.

spacefreak · Oct 17, 2004, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by KarlG:
He was on Leno last night, and was pretty funny. He also offered Sinclair broadcasting F 9/11 for free broadcasting, to balance out the anti-Kerry story they're showing.

Did Miramax in return offer to show the Kerry documentary in all the thaters that showed F 9/11?

MATTRESS · Oct 17, 2004, 12:18 PM

I saw the fat ass on TV as well. Man, the elephant barely fit within the confines of what the camera lens allows.

OldManMac · Oct 17, 2004, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Did Miramax in return offer to show the Kerry documentary in all the thaters that showed F 9/11?

No, because that's a paid venue, and TV is public airwaves, and, even though I sometimes wonder, you're smart enough to know the difference. Nice try, though.

bewebste · Oct 17, 2004, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by MATTRESS:
I saw the fat ass on TV as well. Man, the elephant barely fit within the confines of what the camera lens allows.

Wow, I thought some of his arguments made sense, but I hadn't taken into account the fact that he's fat. That totally undermines the points he's made. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Scientist · Oct 17, 2004, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
He is presenting 8 minutes from my house. I'll let you all know if anything fun happens.

I might have except there were so many people there I couldn't get within 75 meters of the guy because of the HUGE crowd. Thankfully he is a big guy or I wouldn't have been able to see him at all.

mitchell_pgh · Oct 17, 2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by stevesnj:
Shake his hand for me and thank him for his great service to America for his truth in film.

Truth and Michael Moore?

I'll give you that he makes a point, but fair and balanced isn't in his vocabulary. It's an "us" vs. "them" mentality. If you think about it... he is more of a "them" then an "us".

Shaddim · Oct 17, 2004, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Scientist:
I might have except there were so many people there I couldn't get within 75 meters of the guy because of the HUGE crowd. Thankfully he is a big guy or I wouldn't have been able to see him at all.

I was about to say... how could you not see anything that large? Hell, you could have stayed home and still been able to point him out.

MATTRESS · Oct 17, 2004, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by bewebste:
Wow, I thought some of his arguments made sense, but I hadn't taken into account the fact that he's fat. That totally undermines the points he's made. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Funny, today it's OK to heckle smokers and Republicans but not OK to heckle fat 'tards like Michael Moore?

PacHead · Oct 17, 2004, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by stevesnj:
Shake his hand for me and thank him for his great service to America for his truth in film.

Why don't you search for Hitler's remains and shake his hand also for the great service to Germany.

d4nth3m4n · Oct 17, 2004, 05:50 PM

wow, some of you are really threatened by this one loudmouth. wouldn't you all agree it's safe to assume that unless there is even a shade of truth to what he has to say, it wouldn't make any sense to get so worked up about one guy?

hmm, impressive.

and pachead- thats a stupid argument.

PacHead · Oct 17, 2004, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
wow, some of you are really threatened by this one loudmouth. wouldn't you all agree it's safe to assume that unless there is even a shade of truth to what he has to say, it wouldn't make any sense to get so worked up about one guy?

hmm, impressive.

and pachead- thats a stupid argument.

Naive idiots (and others who are intellectually disadvantaged), who believe his crap shows that there are a lot of flat out stupid people in the world, and this is a slight problem.

d4nth3m4n · Oct 17, 2004, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Naive idiots (and others who are intellectually disadvantaged), who believe his crap shows that there are a lot of flat out stupid people in the world, and this is a slight problem.

depends on which side of the fence you're on, now doesn't it?

PacHead · Oct 17, 2004, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by d4nth3m4n:
depends on which side of the fence you're on, now doesn't it?

Not really, there is only one truth.

icruise · Oct 17, 2004, 06:06 PM

Yours, right?

PacHead · Oct 17, 2004, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Icruise:
Yours, right?

Nope, The Truth.

d4nth3m4n · Oct 17, 2004, 06:17 PM

i just got to thinking- maybe the "red-state" folk are so upset about MM is because they thought they had the monopoly on mindless voters who believe anything.

this is an election year after all.

icruise · Oct 17, 2004, 06:17 PM

The point is that while some things can be empirically proven, a LOT of what we consider "the truth" is actually very subjective.

d4nth3m4n · Oct 17, 2004, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by Icruise:
The point is that while some things can be empirically proven, a LOT of what we consider "the truth" is actually very subjective.

and i find truth in some of the things MM says.

spacefreak · Oct 17, 2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by KarlG:
No, because that's a paid venue, and TV is public airwaves, and, even though I sometimes wonder, you're smart enough to know the difference. Nice try, though.

TV programming is not free. Somebody (advertisers) has to pay for the airing, and the broadcaster has to pay for licenses.

It costs more to broadcast a piece on TV than to show it in a theater.

The government leases the airwaves to the private broadcasting companies. There is nothing "public" about it.

OldManMac · Oct 17, 2004, 08:02 PM

A lot of people forget about how this country was founded.

Published on Saturday, October 16, 2004 by the Capital Times / Madison, Wisconsin
Michael Moore's Patriotism
Editorial

Filmmaker Michael Moore is a controversial figure. The left loves him for having the courage to shine the light of truth on the abuses of power and privilege that have defined the past 3 years of American history.

For exactly the same reason, the right hates him. And most of America's elite media have a hard time figuring out what to do with him - they cannot dismiss the most successful documentary filmmaker in American history, yet they do not feel comfortable giving the man and his ideas the attention that is usually afforded so successful and broadly recognized a commentator on the Zeitgeist.

When Moore appears in Madison tonight, for an 8 p.m. get-out-the-vote rally at the Memorial Union Terrace, all of the passions and conundrums associated with the man who made the film "Fahrenheit 9/11" will be on display. There will be fans, there will be protesters, and there will be folks trying to make sense of the phenomenon. And, as is the case everywhere that Moore goes, there will be passionate debate about not just the issues of this election but the direction of this country.

Michael Moore tries hard to keep things light - and there is certainly a great deal of humor to be found in his films, books and public pronouncements. But he is not a joke. Indeed, the stir he has created nationally, and internationally, is worthy of note. In much of the world, Michael Moore is the best-known critic of the Bush administration's reign of error. And, frankly, we couldn't think of a better representative of American opposition to military adventurism, crony capitalism and democratic decay.

Yes, of course, there are even some of the left who would prefer that Moore be a little more cautious in his comments, a little more mainstream in his critique. There are a lot of liberals who get scared when their tribunes start talking too much about issues of race, class and empire building.

To our view, however, it is when Moore is blunt that he sounds most American.

This country was not founded by polite people. The American revolution did not follow Robert's Rules of Order. The America experiment was launched in revolt against the existing order, against corrupt kings and their equally corrupt business partners. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and their kind rejected the divine right of kings; they did not believe that power should pass from one King George to another. And the best of their number, Tom Paine, preached the healing power of revolution - not just for America but for the world.

Fifty years after the minutemen of Lexington and Concord fired the shots heard 'round the world, Daniel Webster would look back at that event and suggest, "The great wheel of political revolution began to move in America."

Reading the writings of the founders and their true descendants is a lot like watching a Michael Moore film. Often, Moore seems to channel the founders. When Moore speaks against military misadventures like the U.S. occupation of oil-rich lands such as Iraq, he echoes the stern warning of Thomas Jefferson that "if there be one principle more deeply written than any other in the mind of every American, it is that we should have nothing to do with conquest."

And how similar are Moore's incitements against presidential war making to the observation of James Madison: "War is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement. ... The strongest passions, and the most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast; ambition, avarice, vanity, the honorable or venial love of fame, are all in conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace."

Nothing would horrify Moore's critics more than the suggestion that he might well be the best upholder of the revolutionary spirit in the current day - and thus the greatest patriot. But, then, Moore's critics tend to confuse patriotism with blind obedience. And if Jefferson and Madison teach us anything, it is that the true patriot must always stand against King George

Scientist · Oct 18, 2004, 01:33 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Not really, there is only one truth.

There is no truth. Only perspective.

badidea · Oct 18, 2004, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by PacHead:
Nope, The Truth.

Oh, since you seem to know it, then "who killed John F. Kennedy?"

Twilly Spree · Oct 18, 2004, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Did Miramax in return offer to show the Kerry documentary in all the thaters that showed F 9/11?

Lions Gate Films

fireside · Oct 18, 2004, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by badidea:
Oh, since you seem to know it, then "who killed John F. Kennedy?"

Satan himself. he was jealous of John's good looks.

spacefreak · Oct 18, 2004, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
Lions Gate Films

OK... I should have said 'the Weinsteins'...

Miramax founders Bob and Harvey Weinstein obtained the rights to the film for about $6 million last week from The Walt Disney Co., which owns Miramax. Disney refused to distribute the film, which offers a critical view of the Bush administration.

Now, through the Weinsteins' newly created Fellowship Adventure Group and Lions Gate Films, the film will reach about 1,000 theaters nationwide beginning June 25.

CD Hanks · Oct 18, 2004, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Scientist:
He is presenting 8 minutes from my house. I'll let you all know if anything fun happens.

Ask him if it's possible for NASA to calculate how many cheeseburgers he has eaten in his lifetime.

James L · Oct 18, 2004, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by CD Hanks:
Ask him if it's possible for NASA to calculate how many cheeseburgers he has eaten in his lifetime.

You are totally right... and I also think Marlon Brando was a crappy actor because he was fat. Oh, and Winston Churchill... that guy was fat so he couldn't have done anything great for the world! Of course we should remove President Ulysses S. Grant from the history books as he had a few extra pounds. Oh, back to presidents for a sec, let's not forget to ax President Theodore Roosevelt from the list as he was a bigger boy. And don't even get me started about BB King or Aretha Franklin... they must not have contributed anything to the musical world because they are fat too.

Tell me again, what the hell does weight have anything to do with it? Critizing someone because they are fat is just about the most childish thing there is. If his weight is all you can find to critize then you must agree with his comments and thoughts. If you don't agree with his comments and thoughts then surely it makes more sense to critize those than his weight. Or, are you just 4 and your daddy is letting you use the computer?

OldManMac · Oct 18, 2004, 11:50 AM

When you can't effectively argue the message, criticize the message bearer.

As someone else here pointed out, a lot of people get their panties in a wad over MM. If they're so secure in their beliefs, why does he matter so much to them? Hmmmm.

CD Hanks · Oct 18, 2004, 12:04 PM

To connect without further information my poking fun at his weight with me somehow having some sort of vendetta against him shows a lot more about you than me.

OldManMac · Oct 18, 2004, 12:30 PM

"Poking fun" at fat people is just another way of saying, "I don't feel so good about myself, so I'll critize others who are different, which will help me feel better about myself." Same stuff school yard bullies do. If you're secure in yourself, you don't need to "poke fun" at others.

Have a nice day, seriously.