[mikellanes]

Earlier this week former employees of Sproul & Associates (operating under the name Voters Outreach of America), a firm hired by the Republican National Committee to register voters, told a Nevada TV station that their supervisors systematically tore up Democratic registrations. The accusations are backed by physical evidence and appear credible. Officials have begun a criminal investigation into reports of similar actions by Sproul in Oregon...

Link
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/101604Y.shtml

[mitchell_pgh]

http://www.truthout.org/

Enough said...

Perhaps when you link to a less then completely biased site I'll believe it.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
http://www.truthout.org/

Enough said...

Perhaps when you link to a less then completely biased site I'll believe it.

Reading comprehension anyone?

"Block the Vote"
By Paul Krugman
The New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/15/op...tml?oref=login
(you need to register which is why i posted the alt.)

[icruise]

Is CNN too biased for you?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ion/index.html

[mikellanes]

How about:

Washington Times: http://washingtontimes.com/national/...1325-3896r.htm
Arizona Republic: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...6sproul16.html
San Fran Chronicle: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...100EDT0167.DTL
CBS NEWS: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in649380.shtml

Or 48 others: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr...kowitz1014.htm

[TETENAL]

Do you have to tell which party you are going to vote when you register for voting? I already asked in another thread, but I don't understand the system.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
Do you have to tell which party you are going to vote when you register for voting? I already asked in another thread, but I don't understand the system.

Depends on the form, the ones I have seen ask: "Party affiliation" and have Republican, Democrat, Other (fill in the blank) or No Party Affiliation.

[icruise]

I think you've already had your question answered in another thread, but the reason you have to declare a party affiliation is because of primaries. But you aren't forced to vote along with your declared party.

[Earth Mk. II]

Originally posted by Icruise:
I think you've already had your question answered in another thread, but the reason you have to declare a party affiliation is because of primaries. But you aren't forced to vote along with your declared party.

of course, you could always opt to not declare any party affiliation - but in some states this makes you ineligible for both primaries.

I hate state specific voting rules.

[icruise]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
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Perhaps when you link to a less then completely biased site I'll believe it.

Believe it yet?

I think this kind of behavior (for whatever party) is totally reprehensible. It goes against everything that America should stand for.

[TETENAL]

Originally posted by Icruise:
I think you've already had your question answered in another thread, but the reason you have to declare a party affiliation is because of primaries. But you aren't forced to vote along with your declared party.

I think my confusion comes partly because I don't even understand why you have to register to vote at all. In Germany you don't need to register. You just vote. You can also vote without a party affiliation. Also, what is primaries?

[icruise]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
I think my confusion comes partly because I don't even understand why you have to register to vote at all. In Germany you don't need to register. You just vote. You can also vote without a party affiliation. Also, what is primaries?

Primary elections are held for the purpose of determining who will get the party's nomination -- sort of a pre-election election, but only for people of a certain party. I think the need to register is related to the fact that even national elections are held locally. Plus we don't have the kind of centralized database that many countries have of their population.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
I think my confusion comes partly because I don't even understand why you have to register to vote at all. In Germany you don't need to register. You just vote. You can also vote without a party affiliation. Also, what is primaries?

How does this "you just vote" system work? Presumably the government must keep some kind of register of eligible voters.

How is that list created and updated? How do they identify people who turn 18 between elections? How do they keep underage and non-citizens from voting? What happens when you move from one state to the next? How do they stop you from voting in multiple jurisdictions? If they do any of those things, then there must be a voter registration list somewhere.

[Earth Mk. II]

Originally posted by TETENAL:
I think my confusion comes partly because I don't even understand why you have to register to vote at all. In Germany you don't need to register. You just vote. You can also vote without a party affiliation. Also, what is primaries?

Primaries are run-off elections held within a party to choose which candidate will receive the party's support for the main election.

Again, you need only to register for a party if you wish to participate in this pre-election election. Unless you live in some states where there they have open primaries - then you can vote in any primary race regardless of your registered party, but you can only vote in one party's primary election - not both.

I believe the purpose of registering to vote is to ensure that those people who are ineligible to vote in a given district (felons, non-residents, etc), don't. Also, it probably helps ensure that you can't vote in one district then run to a neighboring district and vote again.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Icruise:
Believe it yet?

I think this kind of behavior (for whatever party) is totally reprehensible. It goes against everything that America should stand for.

Why don't you click a few of the links mikellanes posted above. Perhaps you did, but are conveniently ignoring their content because it goes against your partisan agenda.

A Valley-based political consulting company filed a defamation lawsuit Friday against a Nevada man who accused employees of throwing away Democrats' voter registration cards.

A lawyer for Nathan Sproul, company owner and former chairman of the Arizona Republican Party, claimed that Eric Russell, who worked for the firm in Clark County, Nev., may have ripped up the voter forms himself.

According to the seven-page lawsuit filed in Maricopa County Superior Court, Russell was fired for falsifying his time cards and being verbally abusive toward a supervisor at Sproul & Associates Inc.

The lawsuit claims that after Russell was fired, he returned to the office holding what appeared to be voter registration forms and told workers he would claim that he saw a supervisor tear up the forms unless he was paid what he wanted.

Russell was unavailable for comment.

Sproul said his company's policy, as well as federal law, is to register both Democrats and Republicans. He noted that the company registered 1,065 Democrats in Nevada. He said he didn't know how many Republicans the company registered but added that he was hired to target Republicans.

Sproul, a Republican, accused national Democrats of using the allegations to their political advantage and ignoring facts.

Sproul's company was also accused by a man who claimed to be an employee of throwing away voter registration cards in Oregon.

Sproul disputes that claim and said the company had no records that the man ever worked there.

Look like this may be yet another hack job by democrats who know that they can't win in the issues.

[Spliffdaddy]

The Dems are getting desperate.

[icruise]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Why don't you click a few of the links mikellanes posted above. Perhaps you did, but are conveniently ignoring their content because it goes against your partisan agenda. Look like this may be yet another hack job by democrats who know that they can't win in the issues.

I did read the links. The people being accused are denying it. There's a shocker for you. We'll have to wait and see how the story turns out, but I find it interesting that instead of condemning the action you assume it is some kind of Democratic plot against the Republicans. And I'm the one with a partisan agenda?

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The Dems are getting desperate.

Riiight! The Republicans are just choirboys. Love the spin on this; a 73 year-old man suddenly learns the meaning of the word "suppression." Riiiight!

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Icruise:
I find it interesting that instead of condemning the action you assume it is some kind of Democratic plot against the Republicans. And I'm the one with a partisan agenda?

THe difference is that I don't condemn anyone until allegations are PROVEN. You, on the other hand, are condemning a group based on an allegation by a former, disgruntled employee.

[itai195]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
THe difference is that I don't condemn anyone until allegations are PROVEN. You, on the other hand, are condemning a group based on an allegation by a former, disgruntled employee.

You don't condemn anyone, you just repeat the claim over and over again, which essentially has the same effect. Example: the claims that Democrats are breaking into Republican election offices. Either that or you make some unprovable claim that just sounds catchy, such as 'democrats know they can't win on the issues.'

[zigzag]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
THe difference is that I don't condemn anyone until allegations are PROVEN.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ighlight=cheat

[icruise]

Can you say SMACKDOWN?

But actually, I wasn't condemning the group per se. I was condemning the practice of tearing up voter registrations. No matter who did it, it is apparent that some people had their registrations torn up, which is despicable.

[constrictor]

Originally posted by zigzag:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ighlight=cheat

True SMACKDOWN there. No doubt.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The Dems are getting desperate.

If this guys allegations are false, it is ONE man, not "The Dems."

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by zigzag:
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...ighlight=cheat

SMACKDOWN of the year award.