[Evan_11]

This will probably be thrown into the Pol Lounge....

So Kerry/Edwards/Heinz are democrates and are representative of the 'working class', right?

So why are they exactly the type of people that are easily stereotypical of the rich and elite? Seriously they're disgusting people. Kerry comes off as a pompous blow hard who windsurfs. Edwards is a pretty boy. Both of them spend hundreds of dollars on their hair each week. Heinz-Kerry disses Laura Bush for never having a job, when she herself inherited a fortune. All of them cheat on their taxes.

However why is it that George Bush despite the libs trying to paint him as being for only the rich seems like such a regular guy? Hell I could see George sitting down next to me at a Thanksgiving dinner and talking football. When he says it's hard work, I believe him.

I know politics and politicians are only skin deep however I am good at reading people and I believe the above to be true.

[Weezer]

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[Atomic Rooster]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
All of us cheat on our taxes.

Extreme makeover fixorated.

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by Atomic Rooster:
Extreme makeover fixorated.

So you as an out of work graphic designer somehow relate to John Kerry and John Edwards?

[Superchicken]

Kerry has always irritated me.

[nredman]

Originally posted by Evan_11:

Hell I could see George sitting down next to me at a Thanksgiving dinner and talking football. When he says it's hard work, I believe him.

funny thing is i feel the same way about John Kerry, and yes it is hard work...its hard work..its hard work

there should be a seperate forum for a topic like this

[Evan_11]

Originally posted by nredman:
funny thing is i feel the same way about John Kerry

No you don't.

[Lateralus]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
However why is it that George Bush despite the libs trying to paint him as being for only the rich seems like such a regular guy? Hell I could see George sitting down next to me at a Thanksgiving dinner and talking football. When he says it's hard work, I believe him.

Which is one of the reasons why I am not voting for Bush. I don't want the kind of person that I hang out with running my country.

And I like how you conveniently left out the fact that Heinz-Kerry offered a very sincere apology to Laura Bush after having made the comment.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
This will probably be thrown into the Pol Lounge.... *snip*

What is this? Flamebait or are you drunk?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by effgee:
What is this? Flamebait or are you drunk?

...or just banned from the political lounge?

[nredman]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
No you don't.

yes i do, hanging out with bush could be deadly....he would probably choke on a pretzel or something and then sue me.

[itai195]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
So why are they exactly the type of people that are easily stereotypical of the rich and elite? Seriously they're disgusting people. Kerry comes off as a pompous blow hard who windsurfs. Edwards is a pretty boy. Both of them spend hundreds of dollars on their hair each week. Heinz-Kerry disses Laura Bush for never having a job, when she herself inherited a fortune. All of them cheat on their taxes.

Well I guess it's pretty obvious who you're going to vote for.

[BlueSky]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
however I am good at reading people and I believe the above to be true.

If you're so good at reading people, maybe you should read beyond Bush's cover.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
This will probably be locked soon ...

Fixed™

Originally posted by Evan_11:
... however I am good at reading people because my auntie said so.

Fixed™

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[CreepingDeth]

I don't want to get too deep into politics here, but Kerry seems like a person who sits at a Borders Cafe reading a book or plays badminton. Bush seems like someone I'd seeing riding a Deere or watching NASCAR. Kerry seems a little more elite than Bush.

Teresa is just creepy.

[andi*pandi]

well, it's all marketing. Bush is just as much of a silver-spooner (hee!) as Kerry. The down-home thing is cultivated. He was born in freaking Connecticut for chrissakes.

(PS: Creeping death, I'm getting a hilarious mental image of Kerry holding a book with one hand and swinging a badminton racket with the other, in the middle of borders... and Bush is riding a tractor with a tv screen mounted on the hood showing NASCAR... )

[BlueSky]

If you are electing a president based on his lifestyle, you deserve what you get. Personally, I don't give a shnoof about what anyone does with their spare time; if the Prez doesn't seem like the "kind of guy I could have a beer with", I can live with that.

I read people based on their character, not even necessarily what they say, but where I think they're coming from. I've read Bush for 4 years and there's nothing there that I'd want to see in a 4th grade teacher, let alone president of the u.s.

The guy is faking it, and is continuing to do a lot of damage to this country and our relationship with the world....which by the way, matters. And why that isn't obvious to each and every citizen is beyond me.

[CreepingDeth]

My bad. I'll edit my post.

I'm not talking about their image per se. It's how they act and how they speak, their mannerisms, their tone—how they come off as. I just see Kerry being more elitist. No amount of marketing can change how a person acts.

Come to think of it, I'd be laughing if Bush was riding a tractor through Borders and Kerry playing badminton in the pit.

[Demonhood]

badminton, tractors, giant bookstore. gentlemen (and ladies), we have a new sport.

macnn and demonhood are not responsible for any legal action taken against sport participants

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Demonhood:
badminton, tractors, giant bookstore. gentlemen (and ladies), we have a new sport.

macnn and demonhood are not responsible for any legal action taken against sport participants

Sorry, I messed up my grammer…again.

Of course, I think that'd be a pretty cool lookn sport right there. Let's see.

Uh…so you got 2 dudes…and 2 hot chicks for each guy. Now, what he has to do is to get his tractor over to the useless Book search terminal conveniently located in the back of the store. From there, he has to pick a search phrase out of a top hat at each terminal and find the one with the best Borders discount on it. He then has to weave through aisles to find the book, or even, if he's unlucky, ask the teenager with the nose ring to look in the back. Once he gets the book, he takes it back to the front where he started, then place the little badminton thing on a counter. Rinse and repeat. The first one to get 10 books and order a rootbeer wins.

Uh…and there are snakes too.

Looks like I've been misquoted!

OT: So is that name change possible, DH?

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
I don't want to get too deep into politics here, but Kerry seems like a person who sits at a Borders Cafe reading a book or plays badminton. Bush seems like someone I'd seeing riding a Deere or watching NASCAR. Kerry seems a little more elite than Bush.

Teresa is just creepy.

WHO CARES? You elect a President based on his qualifications and policies, not how much he makes or what background he is from. As others have said, Bush is from a MORE elite, snobbish, powerful family than Kerry. His "country boy" facade is getting old.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
WHO CARES? You elect a President based on his qualifications and policies, not how much he makes or what background he is from. As others have said, Bush is from a MORE elite, snobbish, powerful family than Kerry. His "country boy" facade is getting old.

Kerry's wannabe common man act is getting old. He married wealth twice and has been in the Senate for about 20 years. George Bush isn't Mr. Poor man, but he doesn't come off as snobbish as Kerry, who acts like a lawyer with a pent house suite.

At least Bush does work around his ranch.
Kerry uses his "evil money" on mansions. Come on! We all know only 2 mansions are the standard!

[Gee-Man]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
This will probably be thrown into the Pol Lounge....

So Kerry/Edwards/Heinz are representative of the 'working class', right?

No, they're not. They don't claim to be, and nobody has ever said that they were. In general, Presidents and Senators are not, and never have been, "working class". All 4 men on the 2 tickets - Bush, Cheney, Kerry, and Edwards, are very wealthy.

Your assumptions are flawed - you don't have to BE working class to have policies FOR the working class. If your standard is that you have to be like somebody to favor policies that help that person, then nobody except rich, old white men would ever get anything useful out of our government, since that's overwhelmingly what politicians are.

Come to think of it, that's the way it works now. Oh well.

The point is, it's irrelevant how you read somebody. Who they are doesn't matter, all that matters is what they do. Actions are important. Bush is painted as being for the rich because his policies ARE for the rich, his "regular guy" demeanor has nothing to do with it. Lyndon Johnson was a wealthy Texas businessman, yet he was the one who came up with the "War on Poverty".

I happen to disagree with you about Kerry's supposed rich guy persona, I happen to think he seems pretty knowledgeable and would be extremely interesting to talk to, but ultimately I am not interested in electing a president based on that. He's there to do a job, not hang out with the likes of us.

[icruise]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Kerry's wannabe common man act is getting old. He married wealth twice and has been in the Senate for about 20 years.

What does being married twice have to do with it?

[itai195]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Kerry's wannabe common man act is getting old. He married wealth twice and has been in the Senate for about 20 years. George Bush isn't Mr. Poor man, but he doesn't come off as snobbish as Kerry, who acts like a lawyer with a pent house suite.

You mean Bush's common man act is more effective than Kerry's. Bush is every bit as blue-blooded as his opponent. He was born in Connecticut to an aristocratic family and attended Yale and Harvard, case closed.

[warmspit]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Kerry's wannabe common man act is getting old. He married wealth twice and has been in the Senate for about 20 years. George Bush isn't Mr. Poor man, but he doesn't come off as snobbish as Kerry, who acts like a lawyer with a pent house suite.

At least Bush does work around his ranch.
Kerry uses his "evil money" on mansions. Come on! We all know only 2 mansions are the standard!

you DO realize that bush family was from the same ivy league background as Kerry, and even has MORE money....right? Do you think oil companies and war profiteering outfits like the Carlyle Group are like working at the 7-11?

I mean, it doesn't matter to me if either of them comes from money, in fact, I think nowadays you almost HAVE to be rich to run for national office.

But you should realize you've been feed a PR image that is dishonest on W, that folksy feel you get from him is manufactured.

if you prefer to vote for that sort of thing, if it makes you feel good....then they have marketing to your demographic effectively.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Icruise:
What does being married twice have to do with it?

Maybe CreepingDeath is suggesting that the "common man" identifies more with a screamingly wealthy inarticulate ex-cokehead "ex-"drunkard (pretzel, right) than a divorcee?

[Troll]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
Kerry comes off as a pompous blow hard who windsurfs.

What have you got against windsurfing? The guy is into action sports, kiteboarding, windsurfing, snowboarding. I wasn't aware that there was a stigma attached to these sports. In fact, I'd say they represent the opposite of pompous; create a nice balance in a stiff kind of guy.

[OreoCookie]

Originally posted by Evan_11:
This will probably be thrown into the Pol Lounge....

So Kerry/Edwards/Heinz are democrates and are representative of the 'working class', right?

So why are they exactly the type of people that are easily stereotypical of the rich and elite? Seriously they're disgusting people. Kerry comes off as a pompous blow hard who windsurfs. Edwards is a pretty boy. Both of them spend hundreds of dollars on their hair each week. Heinz-Kerry disses Laura Bush for never having a job, when she herself inherited a fortune. All of them cheat on their taxes.

However why is it that George Bush despite the libs trying to paint him as being for only the rich seems like such a regular guy? Hell I could see George sitting down next to me at a Thanksgiving dinner and talking football. When he says it's hard work, I believe him.

I know politics and politicians are only skin deep however I am good at reading people and I believe the above to be true.

Bush's getting the same hair care as Kerry, welcome to media democracy.
Just because you think, you could imagine yourself drinking a beer with George, don't forget: it's all about image these days.

[Troll]

Can George Bush actually drink a beer? I thought he was an alcoholic.

[Toutgood]

Those hard working stiffs probably loved those tax cuts. I can really relates to those guys.

And no, nobody's deciding for me. Be that actors, athletes, musicians, scientists, Jehova's Witnesses..nobody.

But it's nice to see they care...

[OreoCookie]

Originally posted by Troll:
Can George Bush actually drink a beer? I thought he was an alcoholic.

Damn, that one was gooooood!!