[Cody Dawg]

So, this is thread that discusses the most pathetic and ridiculous campaign pitches you've heard yet. They can be advertisements you heard or saw on television, radio commercials, or any other means meant to persuade you at the national or local level.

Yesterday I was driving in my car and I heard one that made me go "Hmmm..."

It was actually a campaign ad for Kerry that said, "George Bush is at fault for there not being enough flu shots. What will you do when bioterror happens?"

I thought, "How pathetic. John Kerry is now trying to scare the American public using bioterror as a method to get a vote."

What in the world will he think of next? Who IS this guy and why does he want our vote -- using ANY means necessary including scare tactics -- so badly?

Let's see. He used and continues to use scare tactics:

1. The draft is coming back (despite the Bush folks saying repeatedly it is NOT)
2. Bioterror is going to happen and we will not be prepared because there are no flu shots
3. Seniors are not going to have social security if Bush is re-elected (which is a lie)
4. Black Americans are not going to be allowed to vote (note that on October 7th the New York Times said that African American pastors are supporting Bush's re-election.)

Okay, so I'm a Republican and I admit it.

What is Bush guilty of? I cannot think of anything. He says that Kerry flip-flops all of the time and I believe it because I can see it for myself when I read what he has voted for in the past. Kerry beats any landed fish laying on a dock with his flip flops.

So, here is your chance to discuss campaign promises and scare tactics -- er, campaign promises.

Play nice!

[icruise]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I thought, "How pathetic. John Kerry is now trying to scare the American public using bioterror as a method to get a vote."

But on the other hand, when Dick Cheney says that a nuclear bomb appearing in an American city is a real danger if Bush isn't re-elected, he's just being realistic, right?

What is Bush guilty of? I cannot think of anything.

Maybe if you thought real real hard you could think of something.

[Cody Dawg]

No, I didn't hear anything about that, icruise.

I remember hearing all along from the democrats about the "October Surprise," though.

Instead, we've got Kerry's "October Disguise."

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Icruise:


But on the other hand, when Dick Cheney says that a nuclear bomb appearing in an American city is a real danger if Bush isn't re-elected, he's just being realistic, right?
[/B]

Ummm... yep...

I honestly think it doesn't matter. You have two people on polar opposites... and here I am in the middle.

[icruise]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Ummm... yep...

I honestly think it doesn't matter. You have two people on polar opposites... and here I am in the middle.

You? In the middle? Even Dick Cheney finds that funny.

[deedar]

What is Bush guilty of? I cannot think of anything.

[/B]

How about:

"I consider myself a good steward of the environment."

He said this in "debate #2", although he may not have used the word "steward." Almost puked when he said this one. My dog knows better than this.

[RAILhead]

My favorites are "I have a better plan" and "I would do a better job."

Maury

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
He says that Kerry flip-flops all of the time and I believe it because I can see it for myself when I read what he has voted for in the past. Kerry beats any landed fish laying on a dock with his flip flops.

Since your so fscking educated, how about you name a few and show your vast knowledge of how washington politics work.

The constant spewing of crap on these boards is pretty fun actually.

[Millennium]

I still think they may as well reduce their campaign slogan to the only issues that people really care about this time:

Bush: "I'm Bush!"
Kerry: "I'm Not Bush!"
Nader: "Um, why am I in this election again?"

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by Millennium:
I still think they may as well reduce their campaign slogan to the only issues that people really care about this time:

Bush: "I'm Bush!"
Kerry: "I'm Not Bush!"
Nader: "Um, why am I in this election again?"

lol


President Bush. Over the past four years, he abandoned positions on issues such as how to regulate air pollution or whether states should be allowed to sanction same-sex marriage. He changed his mind about the merits of creating the Homeland Security Department, and made a major exception to his stance on free trade by agreeing to tariffs on steel. After resisting, the president yielded to pressure in supporting an independent commission to study policy failures preceding the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Bush did the same with questions about whether he would allow his national security adviser to testify, or whether he would answer commissioners' questions for only an hour, or for as long they needed.
Now where did I put my Bush flip flops again.

[Troll]

I can't honestly believe that you're accusing Kerry of using scare tactics given the speeches made by the Republicans at the Convention!

Anyway, not USA, but the most ridiculous campaign pitch I've ever heard was by a rastafarian called James Mange. He was one of the founders of South Africa's SOCCER Party (Sports Organisation for Collective Contribution). Mange had spent 13 years on Robben Island after sentenced to death by the apartheid government for terrorism. The election was the big coming out party for freedom after 40 years of oppression, terrorism, and ghastly human rights abuses. With his history, Mange still thought that the focus of his politics should be on two things - 1) more sports matches with a focus on soccer; and 2) the legalisation of marijuana.

Every party that passed a certain threshold of votes got their campaign costs reimbursed. Not sure if they made the cut but I doubt Mange was in any position to repay the costs after the parties they organised!

[An Alias]

My vote goes for this cracker in Yahoo news, It's the Bushy campaign's new ad.

" WASHINGTON - Wolves prowl through a forest in a new television ad that says "weakness attracts those who are waiting to do America harm," a suggestion by President Bush's campaign that terrorists would seize on a John Kerry presidency.

"In an increasingly dangerous world, even after the first terrorist attack on America, John Kerry and the liberals in Congress voted to slash America's intelligence budget by $6 billion," an ominous voice in the ad claims. "Cuts so deep they would have weakened America's defenses. And weakness attracts those who are waiting to do America harm."
Using powerful imagery, the ad suggests that the country would be vulnerable with Kerry at the helm and seeks to make the case that Bush's opponent doesn't understand the threat terrorists pose to the United States. It also attempts to undermine Kerry's credibility by portraying him as someone who shouldn't be trusted with keeping the country safe."

[Cody Dawg]

I *LOVE* the Kerry campaign that says, "Al Quaeda wants Bush to win the election again."

Uh, can someone tell me when we started CARING what Al Quaeda and the terrorists want?

I want to say, "Where is your stupid sign?" (As in, save us a lot of time and effort and just wear a sign that says, "I'm stupid." )

And, doesn't anyone think for a second, just a little second, that maybe we should do the OPPOSITE of what Al Quaeda wants -- that is, re elect Bush?

[icruise]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I *LOVE* the Kerry campaign that says, "Al Quaeda wants Bush to win the election again."

Uh, can someone tell me when we started CARING what Al Quaeda and the terrorists want?

I want to say, "Where is your stupid sign?" (As in, save us a lot of time and effort and just wear a sign that says, "I'm stupid." )

And, doesn't anyone think for a second, just a little second, that maybe we should do the OPPOSITE of what Al Quaeda wants -- that is, re elect Bush?

Is that a real ad?

I've heard people say (and I've seen lots of bumperstickers stating) that Al Qaeda (or terrorists in general) want Kerry to win, presumably on the basis that Kerry would be soft on them. But I haven't seen the opposite.

[Mithras]

In the interest of fairness I will try to find one from each side.
The clear winner from Republicans is this Republican National Committee mailer in Arkansas:

[ click for full ]

[Troll]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Uh, can someone tell me when we started CARING what Al Quaeda and the terrorists want?

...

And, doesn't anyone think for a second, just a little second, that maybe we should do the OPPOSITE of what Al Quaeda wants -- that is, re elect Bush?

We shouldn't care what Al Qaeda wants but we should do the opposite of what they want. Cody Dawg, were you in the line for cute, little, wet black nose when they were handing out the logic genes?

[An Alias]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I *LOVE* the Kerry campaign that says, "Al Quaeda wants Bush to win the election again."

Uh, can someone tell me when we started CARING what Al Quaeda and the terrorists want?

Did Al-Qaaeda say that? If so, then it's truth, and Kerry is simply stating facts. On the other-hand, what Bush's ad says is mere conjecture and speculation with a hint of scare-mongering. Not really based on truths or known realities.

[Cody Dawg]

Cody Dawg, were you in the line for cute, little, wet black nose when they were handing out the logic genes?

Maybe?



I will be so happy when this entire thing is over.

Personally, I think they should let the Teresa Heinz Kerry and Laura Bush duke it out.

[Troll]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Personally, I think they should let the Teresa Heinz Kerry and Laura Bush duke it out.

Co-ed naked first lady mud wrestling. Heck, this campaign is the dirtiest I've ever seen. May as well go the whole hog and have a rumble in the jungle!

It might make you thrity-three and a third percent happy to know that I met a clairvoyant the other night ... a client of mine uses one to make his business decisions! The client doesn't hesitate to point out that Alexander the Great and Napoleon both had clairvoyants and that they both fell when they ignored them. This particular clairvoyant is a descedant of a line of clairvoyants that have advised the rich and powerful - 3,000 year old line apparently.

Anyway, she told us that we need to get the deal done asap. When pressed as to why, she said Bush is going to be reelected and on November 12 the global economy would be plunged into a crisis like the world hasn't seen in decades. The only concrete thing she would say to all of us was that the oil price is going to go way past $80 a barrel.

I hope she's 100% wrong, but I think we probably both hope she's 66% wrong.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Personally, I think they should let the Teresa Heinz Kerry and Laura Bush duke it out.

I don't know about that, but a duel between Bush and Kerry (the candidates, not their wives) would be pretty cool. Give them swords or something, maybe duel to first blood (I can imagine the international uproar if it were to the death), and have it be a winner-take-all thing.

[boots]

Originally posted by Troll:
Co-ed naked first lady mud wrestling. Heck, this campaign is the dirtiest I've ever seen. May as well go the whole hog and have a rumble in the jungle!

It might make you thrity-three and a third percent happy to know that I met a clairvoyant the other night ... a client of mine uses one to make his business decisions! The client doesn't hesitate to point out that Alexander the Great and Napoleon both had clairvoyants and that they both fell when they ignored them. This particular clairvoyant is a descedant of a line of clairvoyants that have advised the rich and powerful - 3,000 year old line apparently.

Anyway, she told us that we need to get the deal done asap. When pressed as to why, she said Bush is going to be reelected and on November 12 the global economy would be plunged into a crisis like the world hasn't seen in decades. The only concrete thing she would say to all of us was that the oil price is going to go way past $80 a barrel.

I hope she's 100% wrong, but I think we probably both hope she's 66% wrong.

Nostradomus only missed the whole Hitler thing by one letter (Hister), and his time frame for WWIII is right if you consider his "missles" from the middle-eastern country that hit NY to be the planes that hit the towers. I don't personally put much stock in such things, but it does make one think.....

[RAILhead]

I forgot to add: "Can I get me a hunting license here?"

What a moron.

Maury

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
What is Bush guilty of? I cannot think of anything.

How can you expect people to take statements like this seriously when only a year ago you were calling Bush a dangerous, unthinking liar? I'd really like to understand this.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...highlight=bush

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and to change their mind - I just prefer to think that they're being honest with us.

Anyway, the single most ridiculous pitch I've heard so far was Kerry's idea for a federal "Department of Wellness." I think he realized how stupid it sounded and only used it once.

[Cody Dawg]

A year ago I wasn't here, Zigzag.



But this is beautiful:

Anyway, the single most ridiculous pitch I've heard so far was Kerry's idea for a federal "Department of Wellness." I think he realized how stupid it sounded and only used it once.

I don't know about that, but a duel between Bush and Kerry (the candidates, not their wives) would be pretty cool. Give them swords or something, maybe

Bush would need elevator shoes to match up with Kerry, tho!

[smacintush]

"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of their wheelchairs and walk again!"

[RAILhead]

Or how about him NOT wanting to bring his faith into his Office and decision making in debate 3, but earlier this week, he flipped and said he WOULD bring his faith into his Presidency?

Classic Kerry.

Maury

[villalobos]

'It's hard work. It's really hard work. And I am doing the best I can'

Best.
Pitch.
Ever.

[OldManMac]

I am a uniter, not a divider.
I'm not into nation building.
I'm a compassionte conservative.
We need to reduce the size of the federal government.

[zigzag]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
A year ago I wasn't here, Zigzag.

No one is fooled, but . . . whatever.

[nredman]

Originally posted by villalobos:
'It's hard work. It's really hard work. And I am doing the best I can'

Best.
Pitch.
Ever.

indeed...when in doubt...just say "it's hard work"

[Mithras]

Originally posted by smacintush:
"When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of their wheelchairs and walk again!"

Agreed, worst line from the Democrats.

[nredman]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Or how about him NOT wanting to bring his faith into his Office and decision making in debate 3, but earlier this week, he flipped and said he WOULD bring his faith into his Presidency?

Classic Kerry.

Maury

meaning he would bring his faith into office maybe to give him strength and guidance, but he wouldn't let it cloud his judgement when making policies. that makes perfect sense to me.

turning something understandable into a flip-flop

Classic Bush Supporter

[Mithras]

Originally posted by An Alias:
My vote goes for this cracker in Yahoo news, It's the Bushy campaign's new ad.

" WASHINGTON - Wolves prowl through a forest in a new television ad that says "weakness attracts those who are waiting to do America harm," a suggestion by President Bush's campaign that terrorists would seize on a John Kerry presidency.

Seriously, am I the only one that watched the "wolves" ad and found it not at all scary?
Bears are scary. These wolves are handsome and not threatening at all. They look like my dog for chrissake.

Has one of you watched this and found it effective or unnerving?

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by nredman:
meaning he would bring his faith into office maybe to give him strength and guidance, but he wouldn't let it cloud his judgement when making policies. that makes perfect sense to me.

turning something understandable into a flip-flop

Classic Bush Supporter

Then what’s the point of bringing it in to begin with? Last I knew, we voted for people we thought stood for the same beliefs we have so that they’ll further said beliefs. Apparently Kerry believes in *something*, but not enough for it to dictate his actions. I have a problem with that.

Oh, and Classic Kerry Supporter.

Maury

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by nredman:
meaning he would bring his faith into office maybe to give him strength and guidance, but he wouldn't let it cloud his judgement when making policies. that makes perfect sense to me.

turning something understandable into a flip-flop

Classic Bush Supporter

"My faith affects everything that I do, in truth. There's a great passage of the Bible that says, 'What does it mean, my brother, to say you have faith if there are no deeds? Faith without works is dead.'

"And I think that everything you do in public life has to be guided by your faith, affected by your faith, but without transferring it in any official way to other people.

"That's why I fight against poverty. That's why I fight to clean up the environment and protect this earth.

"That's why I fight for equality and justice. All of those things come out of that fundamental teaching and belief of faith." John Kerry

A man who has faith - but doesn't have faith. Just as I figured.

[Toutgood]

"There is separation of church and state in America. We have prided ourselves on that all of my lifetime.... I fully intend to continue to practice my religion as separately from what I do with respect to my public life, and that's the way it ought to be in America."

--John Kerry, quoted in the Boston Globe, April 12, 2004

[dreilly1]

Originally posted by Troll:
Anyway, she told us that we need to get the deal done asap. When pressed as to why, she said Bush is going to be reelected and on November 12 the global economy would be plunged into a crisis like the world hasn't seen in decades. The only concrete thing she would say to all of us was that the oil price is going to go way past $80 a barrel.

I hope she's 100% wrong, but I think we probably both hope she's 66% wrong.

I just remembered this thread. It's November 14th right now, and while Bush did get re-elected, oil isn't that much more expensive and we're all still here. With a few exceptions....