[Shaddim]

http://www.volunteertv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2437749

"Knox County Schools audiovisual policy clearly states only G, PG, and PG-13 movies are appropriate for viewing_in its high school classrooms._ Fahrenheit 9/11 is rated R for language and violent material.

Knox County Director of Secondary Instruction Ed Hedgepath says that's not the only violation of the policy._ He says Miller never consulted Central's principal and the movie and paper were not listed on the class sylabus._ Hedgepath says, "Parents have a right to know what's shown in the classroom, that's why we have these guidelines and we encourage them."

Ms. Stewart says, "I just feel like this movie should have never been shown in a classroom situation, not only for the political views, but also because it's rated R and we don't allow our son to see rated R movies."_ Cindy says she realizes she can't undo the past, she just hopes this doesn't happen again in the future._ She says, "You send your children to school and you hope and pray that they're going to get the best education possible...I just would like to see it not happen again."

I really don't have a problem with them showing F 9/11 in schools, however parents should be made aware of the movie's content and it's rating, and the opposing view needs to be adressed, especiallly since MM is a sensationalist hack. In the paper today they reported that the teacher has been suspended and is awaiting a school board hearing, though many view it as a formality and she will be terminated.

In comparison, just last month a teacher showed The Passion in a Knoxville HS and was released because of it... though, they were only unemployed for a week, a local Catholic HS picked him up immediately.

[Wiskedjak]

Based on the rating of the movie and the school board's guidelines regarding movies, I'll agree with their actions.

Politically, I think it depends on whether other political views were represented in the class. A teacher's personal opinions and beliefs should not be allowed to influence what they teach or detract from a balanced perspective being presented to students. At the HS level, students should be able and allowed to form their own opinions.

[BRussell]

Parents are supposed to give consent for the movies their kids see in high school?

[vmarks]

Originally posted by BRussell:
Parents are supposed to give consent for the movies their kids see in high school?

That is generally the policy in place, although policy does vary from school district to district.

[Cohiba]

I believe that F 9/11 should be showed in school, so that students can understand how propaganda works. Propaganda does not have to be lies (and all good propaganda is telling the truth), Michel Moore does a very good job at it.

For example, a Michel Moore like version of WWII with the Japanese…

America declares war with the Japanese people
America drops bombs on Tokyo and Kobe
America rounds up Japanese people and puts them into camps
America attacks the Japanese fleet at Midway
America attacks the outer rim of Japanese islands
America finally attacks mainland Japan with two nuclear bombs killing six digits of women and children who were non-combatants.

This is all true, but a very large portion of information is missing. The above makes America looks like the attacking nation. Like America was wrong and Japanese were the helpless victims of ruthless attack. The above is true, but it is propaganda.

People should see some older USSR propaganda. For example, they showed movies of the police using fire hoses on the blacks, ghettos filled with poverty, hatred and the want for slavery, chaos and rioting, women getting beaten and innocent people getting executed. All these things did happen in America. Did that mean that the USSR was better then America? My opinion is no, but many did believe so.

So, if I was teaching history or government, I would show it with an assortment of USSR, Nazi, and even Showa era propaganda, exactly where this movie belongs. It is important for students to be able to make objective opinions, so they need to identify movies and books that try to do the opposite. It is good to read and watch propaganda (as of course there are some good points in the sea of trash, and so you can understand what others are introduced to) but you have to bin it properly.

[Captain Obvious]

Minors + graphic material + school board policy + no permission from parents
Teacher should be fired

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...p;#post1995579

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
I believe that F 9/11 should be showed in school, so that students can understand how propaganda works. Propaganda does not have to be lies (and all good propaganda is telling the truth), Michel Moore does a very good job at it.

For example, a Michel Moore like version of WWII with the Japanese…

America declares war with the Japanese people
America drops bombs on Tokyo and Kobe
America rounds up Japanese people and puts them into camps
America attacks the Japanese fleet at Midway
America attacks the outer rim of Japanese islands
America finally attacks mainland Japan with two nuclear bombs killing six digits of women and children who were non-combatants.

Exactly. There are many good examples of propaganda floating around lately.

Terrorists attack the US
The US declares war on terrorists
Iraq supports terrorists
The US declares war on Iraq

Again, lots of information missing, such as the fact that the terrorists that Iraq supported had nothing to do with the terrorists that attacked the US

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Exactly. There are many good examples of propaganda floating around lately.

Terrorists attack the US
The US declares war on terrorists
Iraq supports terrorists
The US declares war on Iraq

Again, lots of information missing, such as the fact that the terrorists that Iraq supported had nothing to do with the terrorists that attacked the US

Were I to announce a personal "War" here on the pages of MacNN, but instead of a War on Terror, I called it a War on Liberals, it's reasonable to assume that individuals who identified themselves as liberals would attack me in print or defend themselves either individually or by banding together with a barrage of posts.

But what about somone who wasn't linked to any liberals here nor who had any PARTICULAR liberal OR conservative agenda? Their only agenda is that I had pissed them off in a previous thread and they'd like to see me made uncomfortable.

Would you expect them to stay put and NOT join in the attack on me simply because they weren't especially liberal in their past posts or because they had no particular links to liberals?

Of course not!

They'd join you and your liberal buddies in beating me up and down and everyone would have a good time.

It's simply human nature. It makes sense. It happens every day.

So, what makes you (think???) say that Saddam would have resisted this same human impulse to help the terrorists when the WOT heated up?