[Saad]

Lets cut the crap and see what's wrong with white American women. It has gotten so bad that a white woman actually compiled the statistics. %63 of all abortions in the US.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these murderers not being White? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

[Myriad]

I think with a little work, we could get that figure up to 75% by the end of the decade, but it would require some commitment from my fellow American men.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Saad:
Lets cut the crap and see what's wrong with white American women. It has gotten so bad that a white woman actually compiled the statistics. %63 of all abortions in the US.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these murderers not being White? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Muslims are way more humane. They account for far less than %30 of all abortions performed in the US.

[Isaac]

ah... considering that there aren't very many Muslims in the US... 30% is an increadibly high number...

[cold_reality]

Its not considered a person until after birth...when you said child murder I thought baby shaking or abuse of some form, not the "choice" thing.
I don't really have a problem with the abortion but if women in America could stop being whores 5 days out of the week I think we would be a lot better off...especially in Texas.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Isaac:
ah... considering that there aren't very many Muslims in the US... 30% is an increadibly high number...

Using a more precise source (the numbers are provided by the CDC):
http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionSt...20&%20Race

1996
White: %60.5
Black %40.7
Other %4.8

[hyteckit]

Wow, 70% of those who get abortions are either Protestant or Catholic.

I'm not sure if I'm surprise by those numbers or not.

[OldManMac]

Originally posted by cold_reality:
Its not considered a person until after birth...

Oh boy, is that open to debate.

[Cohiba]

When it comes to the religion statistics in abortion, there is a very grave error. People usually believe their religion is what they are born or chosen into. So if a woman is brought into a Catholic family, but does not go to church or believe in any dogma, but considers herself a Catholic anyway, is she really one? A far better statistic would mean how many practicing (insert religion here) get abortions. All of my bible/Koran/Torah-thumping friends definitely do not.

Also, being born (the difference between a fetus and an infant) is nothing more then being completely taken out of a woman. In context to the born=alive idea, I guess that a carrot is only a carrot until it is pulled completely from the ground. An apple only has a core when you see it. Thinking that a baby is only alive when he/she is removed from a woman is judging that a human is only a “human” by their location, which I was always told was a bad thing. Granted a uterus is a private place, but saying that a fetus is not a person solely because they are inside of a uterus is certainty not logical.

Now, it would make far more sense if people determined the “personhood” of people by what they are. For example, a human is only a person when their brain is completely developed, ok I can see that. That however would mean only people at the age of ~25 are “people” (selective destruction takes full effect at that time), so I guess many voters would not like that definition.

What is interesting is that I have yet to hear a good definition of a human being that did not either have selective extenuation (e.g. a person is a “person” once the umbilical cord is cut) or exclude many people that we thought were living (i.e. retarded people, toddlers and infants, senior citizens) which favored all abortion.

O well, I guess we can just all believe that until the woman goes into labor, the fetus is just made of cookie dough, so that we can all sleep well at night.

[christ]

Originally posted by Saad:
1996
White: %60.5
Black %40.7
Other %4.8

So 106% of all abortions are by people who are white, black or other. That's colour accounted for (assuming some rounding error), now what was this dribble about Muslims etc. about?

White folk can be Muslim too - in fact in your colour statistics I would be hard put to guess what colour people from the Middle East are, but probably white. (I doubt that they consider themselves 'black' or 'other'!

Make your point by all means, but don't try and support it with statistics that don't help.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
When it comes to the religion statistics in abortion, there is a very grave error. People usually believe their religion is what they are born or chosen into. So if a woman is brought into a Catholic family, but does not go to church or believe in any dogma, but considers herself a Catholic anyway, is she really one? A far better statistic would mean how many practicing (insert religion here) get abortions. All of my bible/Koran/Torah-thumping friends definitely do not.

Also, being born (the difference between a fetus and an infant) is nothing more then being completely taken out of a woman. In context to the born=alive idea, I guess that a carrot is only a carrot until it is pulled completely from the ground. An apple only has a core when you see it. Thinking that a baby is only alive when he/she is removed from a woman is judging that a human is only a �human� by their location, which I was always told was a bad thing. Granted a uterus is a private place, but saying that a fetus is not a person solely because they are inside of a uterus is certainty not logical.

Now, it would make far more sense if people determined the �personhood� of people by what they are. For example, a human is only a person when their brain is completely developed, ok I can see that. That however would mean only people at the age of ~25 are �people� (selective destruction takes full effect at that time), so I guess many voters would not like that definition.

What is interesting is that I have yet to hear a good definition of a human being that did not either have selective extenuation (e.g. a person is a �person� once the umbilical cord is cut) or exclude many people that we thought were living (i.e. retarded people, toddlers and infants, senior citizens) which favored all abortion.

O well, I guess we can just all believe that until the woman goes into labor, the fetus is just made of cookie dough, so that we can all sleep well at night.

Cookie dough is YUMMY! especially right before bed.

For me it has always been about choice. A woman's choice whether or not to carry the fetus/baby/child takes precedence over the child's right to existence. And I sleep very well at night holding that belief.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Saad:
... Ok, now can we cut the crap about these murderers not being White? Wake up people, stop making excuses. ...

Speaking of cutting the crap - who sets the moral standard that these women are "murderers" in the first place? You?

[Saad]

Originally posted by effgee:
Speaking of cutting the crap - who sets the moral standard that these women are "murderers" in the first place? You?

I don't believe abortion is murder. I believe that abortion should be legal in all cases. I am ponting out that simply because more white women get aboritons in the US, that does not necessarily indicate a collective guilt, just as because blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, that does not indicate a collective guilt.

The thread is actually taken from one of Pachead's, where he implied that Islam is the primary factor in terrorism, not poverty, not oppression.

[Saad]

Originally posted by christ:
So 106% of all abortions are by people who are white, black or other. That's colour accounted for (assuming some rounding error), now what was this dribble about Muslims etc. about?

White folk can be Muslim too - in fact in your colour statistics I would be hard put to guess what colour people from the Middle East are, but probably white. (I doubt that they consider themselves 'black' or 'other'!

Make your point by all means, but don't try and support it with statistics that don't help.

They are assigned Middle Eastern on the US census. There weren't enough Middle Eastern women getting abortions to assign them another column.

Here's a CDC PDF:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/tab...3/03hus016.pdf

Alan Guttmacher:
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html (abortion rates per race)

[Cody Dawg]

I thought it was a good thread until you said that you don't think abortion is murder.



How would you feel (assuming you are a man) if your girlfriend or wife aborted your baby boy at 2 months pregnancy, 3 months pregnancy, even 7 MONTHS pregnancy?

ALL of you should think about that.

REALLY think about that.

Your baby lying in a medical waste bin or dumpster. Dead.

It's really disgusting.

Approximately 1,370,000 abortions occur annually in the U.S.

[TETENAL]

I don't consider an abortion "child-murder", so this thread's title is illegal.

Very interesting were the following statistics:

• In 54 countries (61% of the world population) abortions are legal.
• In 97 countries (39% of the world population) abortions are illegal.
• There are approximately 46 million abortions conducted eacy year, 20 million (43%) of them obtained illegally.

So for 39% of the world population, abortions are illegal, but the percentage of illegal abortions is 43%. This means that criminalising abortions increases the number of abortions!

[Saad]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
I thought it was a good thread until you said that you don't think abortion is murder.



How would you feel (assuming you are a man) if your girlfriend or wife aborted your baby boy at 2 months pregnancy, 3 months pregnancy, even 7 MONTHS pregnancy?

ALL of you should think about that.

REALLY think about that.

Your baby lying in a medical waste bin or dumpster. Dead.

It's really disgusting.

If my partner decided to abort her pregnancy, I would support her.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by Saad:
Lets cut the crap and see what's wrong with white American women. It has gotten so bad that a white woman actually compiled the statistics. %63 of all abortions in the US.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these murderers not being White? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

*high-five*

*low-five* for later suggesting that killing a fetus isn't murder.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Saad:
I don't believe abortion is murder. I believe that abortion should be legal in all cases. I am ponting out that simply because more white women get aboritons in the US, that does not necessarily indicate a collective guilt, just as because blacks are incarcerated at a higher rate, that does not indicate a collective guilt.

The thread is actually taken from one of Pachead's, where he implied that Islam is the primary factor in terrorism, not poverty, not oppression.

Gotcha ... I must have missed the sarcasm tag

[Kilbey]

I believe abortion is immoral and wrong.

I've believed this all of my life.

While I was an atheist and now while I am a Christian.

How can a person kill a child? It disgusts me.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Not kill someone because they made a "mistake".

[Silky Voice of The Gorn]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
People need to take responsibility for their actions.
Not kill someone because they made a "mistake".

So a woman who is brutally raped to the edge of death and becomes pregnant, it's her fault? Is this correct?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Saad:
Lets cut the crap and see what's wrong with white American women. It has gotten so bad that a white woman actually compiled the statistics. %63 of all abortions in the US.

Ok, now can we cut the crap about these murderers not being White? Wake up people, stop making excuses.

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abo...rtionstats.htm

Those women aren't real whites.

[effgee]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Those women aren't real whites.

Then what are they?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by effgee:
Then what are they?

Tan ?

Seriously, it was a joke, just like some dumbasses replying that muslim terrorists are not muslims.

This whole thread is crap, it is wrong, it is untrue, and it is also a cheap ripoff of another thread.

White American women are not the main perpetrators of child murder in the world.

Asian women are, if anybody cares about FACTS.

• 46 million women around the world have abortions each year. Of these women, 78% live in developing countries and 22% in developed countries.

• About 11% of all women having abortions live in Africa, 58% in Asia and 9% in Latin America and the Caribbean. The remainder live in Europe (17%) and elsewhere in the developed world (5%).9

58% of all women having abortions live in Asia ? Hmmm, guess I just proved this silly, lying thread to be %100 wrong.

[effgee]

Originally posted by PacHead:
*snip*

link?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by effgee:
link?

Just some page I found via a google.

Anybody with half a brain can conclude that the statement put forth by the original threadstarter is a lie, without even bothering to look up any statistics. How many American, white women in the world ? How many women in the world total ? Doesn't take a genuis to figure out that American white women are not the main perpetrators of child murder in this world. A lobotomized chimpanzee in a kindergarten class for mentally disabled kids could figure that one out.

http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_0599.html

[Saad]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Tan ?

Seriously, it was a joke, just like some dumbasses replying that muslim terrorists are not muslims.

This whole thread is crap, it is wrong, it is untrue, and it is also a cheap ripoff of another thread.

White American women are not the main perpetrators of child murder in the world.

Asian women are, if anybody cares about FACTS.

• 46 million women around the world have abortions each year. Of these women, 78% live in developing countries and 22% in developed countries.

• About 11% of all women having abortions live in Africa, 58% in Asia and 9% in Latin America and the Caribbean. The remainder live in Europe (17%) and elsewhere in the developed world (5%).9

58% of all women having abortions live in Asia ? Hmmm, guess I just proved this silly, lying thread to be %100 wrong.

Are you willing to take the initiative of apologizing for all those babies killed at the hands of white women? Notice, I did not say the world, I said America.

What is untrue about the thread?

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Saad:
Notice, I did not say the world, I said America.

What is untrue about the thread?

Um, you did say the world.

Your title = White american women are the main perpetrators of child-murder in this world

That is untrue.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Saad:
Lets cut the crap and see what's wrong with white American women. It has gotten so bad that a white woman actually compiled the statistics. %63 of all abortions in the US.

I said US in the body.

[effgee]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Just some page I found via a google. ...

That's actually the same data source used on the about.com page Saad linked to ... and notice, he said "US", not "world"

According to the site you linked to, about.com did get the numbers wrong. Here's the link to the PDF file.

Abortions by ethnicity:

White: 40.9%
Black: 37.1%
Hispanic: 20.1%
Asian: 6.4%
Native American: 0.9%

Note that the statistic above doesn't mean shit unless you compare it to the actual population numbers. More interesting (imho) would be a "X abortions per 1000 white women", "X abortions per ...", etc., etc. ... but I'm way too lazy to look that up now.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
I believe abortion is immoral and wrong.
I've believed this all of my life.
While I was an atheist and now while I am a Christian.
How can a person kill a child? It disgusts me.
People need to take responsibility for their actions.
Not kill someone because they made a "mistake".

Ditto. If I had my own country, abortion would be illegal. I would give the mother the choice of dying with her baby though. If one goes, they both go.

An eye for an eye.
A tooth for a tooth.
A life for a life.

[Saad]

American (might not be white) admits America has a problem:

I used to be pro-choice but after my experience I would never encourage any one to think that death is a better choice for their unborn child then to give it life. Death is permanent and there is no looking back. I still cry I still wish there had been someone to talk to who didn't think abortion was the answer. My husband and I never talk about it. I guess we just can't deal with it yet. It's been 7yrs. I deal better with my adoption my better than my abortion. People still say its simple procedure. I wonder if they have had one?

http://www.gargaro.com/regrets.html

[Saad]

Originally posted by effgee:

Note that the statistic above doesn't mean shit unless you compare it to the actual population numbers. More interesting (imho) would be a "X abortions per 1000 white women", "X abortions per ...", etc., etc. ... but I'm way too lazy to look that up now.

The Alan Guttmacher page I linked to has those numbers. White people need to wake up to the mass killings happening in their community.

[Spliffdaddy]

Looks to me like most (60%) of the women who have abortions in American *aren't* white.

Try again.

[Saad]

Race - 63% of abortion patients are white, however, black women are more than 3 times as likely to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.5 times as likely.

[effgee]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Looks to me like most (60%) of the women who have abortions in American *aren't* white.

Try again.

Heh. Is it that how that works? There's whites and then there's all the "others"?

[shmerek]

Originally posted by djohnson:
Ditto. If I had my own country, abortion would be illegal. I would give the mother the choice of dying with her baby though. If one goes, they both go.

An eye for an eye.
A tooth for a tooth.
A life for a life.

Maybe when the Taliban regains control of Afghanistan you can move there and live with like minded individuals.

[Spliffdaddy]

Ya'll need get your facts right before you try to defend an asinine statement.

I'm all for defending asinine statements..don't get me wrong - it's just that it ain't cool to see it done poorly.

[Cody Dawg]

White American women are NOT the "main perpetrators of child-murder in this world."

This entire thread is ILLogical.

I'm only reading it to see who's who and what's what.

I believe abortion is immoral and wrong.

I've believed this all of my life.

While I was an atheist and now while I am a Christian.

How can a person kill a child? It disgusts me.

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

Not kill someone because they made a "mistake".

Kilbey seems to have the right attitude around here.

We spent the afternoon taking our baby out for lunch and then to a couple of department stores and wheeling him up and down the aisles of toys. His eyes were full of joy and wonder and he was SO happy when we bought him a little $2 Winnie-the-Pooh bear that was on sale.

Children don't need much...just love.

If you don't want a baby then give it up for adoption.

BTW, for that assinine argument, "If my wife, friend, mother were raped and was pregnant she shouldn't have to have that baby."

That baby is HALF hers. If I was raped and got pregnant then I would have the baby and if I did not bond with it (highly unlikely) then I would give it up for adoption. It is not the baby's fault that the father was/is a criminal.

[constrictor]

Originally posted by Myriad:
I think with a little work, we could get that figure up to 75% by the end of the decade, but it would require some commitment from my fellow American men.

Indeed. Cheers to population control.

[MindFad]

Where all da white wimmins at?


</tact>

[fireside]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Where all da white wimmins at?


</tact>

shouldnt that be </notact> ?

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Ya'll need get your facts right before you try to defend an asinine statement.

I'm all for defending asinine statements..don't get me wrong - it's just that it ain't cool to see it done poorly.

Post of the day

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
So a woman who is brutally raped to the edge of death and becomes pregnant, it's her fault? Is this correct?

That woman would need a lot of love, help, and understanding. And to kill her child would be wrong.

I dated a woman who was raped and had her child. She said it changed her life and that her daughter is one of the greatest blessing ever given to her.

To be honest, this is a severe minority of abortion cases.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by fireside:
shouldnt that be </notact> ?

o damn










Fetuses are not children.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Saad:
I said US in the body.

So, you sensationalized your title?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
How would you feel (assuming you are a man) if your girlfriend or wife aborted your baby boy at 2 months pregnancy, 3 months pregnancy, even 7 MONTHS pregnancy?

How would you feel (assuming you are a man) if your girlfriend or wife was raped and impregnated by a serial rapist guilty of raping dozens of women and never been caught? How do you think a woman would react to a child who serves as a daily reminder of the worst violation she has ever experienced in her life?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
That woman would need a lot of love, help, and understanding. And to kill her child would be wrong.

I dated a woman who was raped and had her child. She said it changed her life and that her daughter is one of the greatest blessing ever given to her.

To be honest, this is a severe minority of abortion cases.

Of course it is, thankfully. I agree that the vast majority of abortions are performed for stupid reasons like unprotected sex. I also agree that abortions for such reasons are wrong. However, I also think that abortion should be an option when the woman's health or life are in danger from the pregnancy or birth or when the woman is impregnated without being given a choice in the matter.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
So, you sensationalized your title?

I think its more a mistake than a sensationalization. If you read the text of the message, it says the US.

[fireside]

Originally posted by MindFad:
o damn


Fetuses are not children.

o rlly?