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Oct 24, 2004, 03:03 AM
 
100 Facts and 1 Opinion

The Non-Arguable Case Against the Bush Administration

A succinct, and horrifying, summary at the Nation. Yes, liberal rag.

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Sources are given for all 100 points.

Here are just some of the 100 facts which resonate deeply, and sadly, with me:

1. The Bush Administration has spent more than $140 billion on a war of choice in Iraq.

5. During the Bush Administration's war in Iraq, more than 1,000 US troops have lost their lives and more than 7,000 have been injured.

6. In May 2003, President Bush landed on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit, stood under a banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished," and triumphantly announced that major combat operations were over in Iraq. Asked if he had any regrets about the stunt, Bush said he would do it all over again.

12. After receiving a memo from the CIA in August 2001 titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack America," President Bush continued his monthlong vacation.

43. President Bush is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss of jobs--around 800,000--over a four-year term.

72. The Bush Administration gutted clean-air standards for aging power plants, resulting in at least 20,000 premature deaths each year.

81. Since 9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft has detained 5,000 foreign nationals in antiterrorism sweeps; none have been convicted of a terrorist crime.
And the opinion?

"If the past informs the future, four more years of the Bush Administration will be a tragic period in the history of the United States and the world."
I know. No one will be influenced by this litany of ignorance, arrogance, incompetence and injustice.

But, if you know someone who might, there is a downloadable .pdf which you can distribute.
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 07:47 AM
 
Originally posted by Hypatia:
100 Facts and 1 Opinion

The Non-Arguable Case Against the Bush Administration

A succinct, and horrifying, summary at the Nation. Yes, liberal rag.

Link

Sources are given for all 100 points.

Here are just some of the 100 facts which resonate deeply, and sadly, with me:



And the opinion?



I know. No one will be influenced by this litany of ignorance, arrogance, incompetence and injustice.

But, if you know someone who might, there is a downloadable .pdf which you can distribute.
I'm very sorry to tell you, but the list of 100 'so-called facts' contains errors.

At the very least, I can tell you that numerous convictions have been made. For example, http://www.portlandtribune.com/archview.cgi?id=20932

Massachusetts: Richard Reid was sentenced to life in prison after pleading guilty on Jan. 22 to charges of trying to blow up a transatlantic flight with explosives hidden in his shoes. The government alleged that Reid was trained by al-Qaida.

Â_ Â_• Illinois: Enaam Arnaout, executive director of the Benevolence International Foundation, was sentenced to more than 11 years in prison after pleading guilty Feb. 10 to charges of defrauding donors by funding jihad fighters in Chechnya and Bosnia. Arnaout admitted using his charity's money to buy boots, uniforms and tents for the fighters.

Â_ Â_• New York: Six members of the Lackawanna terror cell soon will be sentenced to 10 years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of providing material support to al-Qaida. They were charged with raising money for al-Qaida and attending the organization's training camps in Afghanistan.

Â_ Â_• North Carolina: Two Lebanese brothers, Mohammad Hammoud and Chawki Hammoud, were convicted by a federal jury on June 21, 2002, of smuggling millions of dollars' worth of cigarettes to raise money for Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based terrorist organization. Mohammed Hammoud was sentenced to 155 years in prison; his brother was sentenced to 51 years in prison. Patrice Lumumba Ford's attorney, Stanley Cohen, represented Mohammad Hammoud.

Â_ Â_• Washington: Seattle Islamic activist James Ujaama was sentenced to 51 months in prison after pleading guilty on April 14 to charges of conspiracy to support al-Qaida. As part of a plea deal, Ujaama has agreed to testify against Abu Hamza al-Masri, a radical London cleric alleged to be one of Europe's top recruiters of terrorists.

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/storie...s.35a632a.html -- in which the Portland 7 were sentenced for their attempt to provide aid to the Taliban

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct12.html - Biheri conviction

I could go on. It seems almost as if the PDF was assembled using talking points regurgitated from www.talkleft.com and then finds 'sources' (op-ed columns are sources for fact? ok, but doesn't that make it less than 100 facts and more than one opinion? ) like David Cole's op-ed for the 'fact' I addressed. Cole also attempts to defend Tariq Ramadan in the same column.
If this post is in the Lounge forum, it is likely to be my own opinion, and not representative of the position of MacNN.com.

     
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Oct 24, 2004, 08:35 AM
 
Originally posted by vmarks:
I'm very sorry to tell you, but the list of 100 'so-called facts' contains errors.

At the very least, I can tell you that numerous convictions have been made.
I haven't looked into this very deeply, but I think you are referring to something different. They are talking about there being no convictions among the 5000 foreign nationals detained in the Justice Department's anti-terrorism sweeps. They aren't saying that no one has ever been convicted on a terrorism-related charge. The point being that these 5000 people were detained for questionable reasons.

Do you know that the convictions you cite were the result of Ashcroft's detainment of foreign nationals?
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 02:24 PM
 
Originally posted by Icruise:
I haven't looked into this very deeply, but I think you are referring to something different. They are talking about there being no convictions among the 5000 foreign nationals detained in the Justice Department's anti-terrorism sweeps. They aren't saying that no one has ever been convicted on a terrorism-related charge. The point being that these 5000 people were detained for questionable reasons.
Icruise is correct.

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Oct 24, 2004, 02:30 PM
 
Number 72 is a bit laughable as a statement of fact.

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Oct 24, 2004, 03:06 PM
 
The internet: where facts aren't facts, but they sound good to liberals.
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 03:22 PM
 
Here's a nice little fact.

During the Clinton administration at least 19 million Americans died.
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 03:33 PM
 
BTW, someone should tell the Nation that the word is either inarguable or unarguable, although unassailable or incontestable would be even better. "Non-arguable" just makes them seem "non-educated."
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 04:48 PM
 
or just "not arguable"... that works too...

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Oct 24, 2004, 08:27 PM
 
Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
BTW, someone should tell the Nation that the word is either inarguable or unarguable, although unassailable or incontestable would be even better. "Non-arguable" just makes them seem "non-educated."
What about indisputable? Unassailable? And more.

Why limit yourself to negation, though: ironclad, certain, strong, absolute, etc.

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Oct 24, 2004, 08:42 PM
 
Originally posted by SimeyTheLimey:
BTW, someone should tell the Nation that the word is either inarguable or unarguable, although unassailable or incontestable would be even better. "Non-arguable" just makes them seem "non-educated."
This thread is now about the education level of reporters and their editors.

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Oct 24, 2004, 08:47 PM
 
It is all a load of crap and lies. No facts at all, just opinions.
     
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Oct 24, 2004, 10:04 PM
 
Originally posted by Buckaroo:
It is all a load of crap and lies. No facts at all, just opinions.
Um... Have you actually read any of these?

I think you could make the case that some of the items are being misinterpreted or taken out of context, but just opinions? No.
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Oct 24, 2004, 10:58 PM
 
Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The internet: where facts aren't facts, but they sound good to liberals.
The Internet: where fact aren't facts, but they sound good to people who want desperately to believe something for which there are no ACTUAL facts, liberal and conservative ALIKE
     
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Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
The internet: where facts can be facts, but only if they agree with your political views.
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