[moowriece]

Anyone have some suggestions what George Bush should do after he is finally defeated on November 2nd?.

I propose a compulsory stay at a Texas looney house to get rid of his sins.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by moowriece:
Anyone have some suggestions what George Bush should do after he is finally defeated on November 2nd?.

I propose a compulsory stay at a Texas looney house to get rid of his sins.

I suggest Kerry call Bush and congratulate him when Bush wins.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by moowriece:
Anyone have some suggestions what George Bush should do after he is finally defeated on November 2nd?.

I propose a compulsory stay at a Texas looney house to get rid of his sins.

Kerry will most likely run to the UN and whine as soon as he looses.

And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

[shmerek]

retards

[moowriece]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Kerry will most likely run to the UN and whine as soon as he looses.

And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

DREAM ON!! You will have a bad, bad, bad day on November 3rd ;-) Wanna emigrate to Canada, huh???? Hahahaaa......

George Bush will be toast!!!!

[Dale Sorel]

Originally posted by moowriece:
DREAM ON!! You will have a bad, bad, bad day on November 3rd ;-) Wanna emigrate to Canada, huh???? Hahahaaa......

George Bush will be toast!!!!

See you on November 3rd

[ironknee]

seriously, if kerry wins, bush should do a pretzel_commercial like dole did with viagra

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by moowriece:
DREAM ON!! You will have a bad, bad, bad day on November 3rd ;-) Wanna emigrate to Canada, huh???? Hahahaaa......

George Bush will be toast!!!!

You are not living in reality.

Kerry is toast. Heck, Bush might even win with as many as 32x electorial votes.

[MindFad]

I've got crow baking in the oven. I'm especially hoping I get to serve it and not eat it.

As if the country wasn't heading to hell in a hand basket already—I truly fear a Bush victory, for the sake of the world, really.

[tie]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

Like we were safe the last four years. Okay, I guess, if you like terrorist attacks..

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

Wow, talk about not living in reality.

[OldManMac]

Don't worry. Bush will be all set. He'll just pick up the phone and call daddy, who will call his connections, and they'll set him up in another business that he can run into the ground.

[BlueSky]

Well kids, good news and bad news.

First the bad news: Florida is More Than Ready for Nov. 2.

The good news: I lied, there is no good news.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by Bluesky:
Well kids, good news and bad news.

First the bad news: Florida is More Than Ready for Nov. 2.

The good news: I lied, there is no good news.

I gotta admit, that was very funny. That's one reason I voted for George Bush using absanteee Paper Ballot. I didn't want to take a chance of my vote being switched by the state of California.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by moowriece:
George Bush will be toast!!!!

You know, with all indications pointing to absolutely nothing conclusive, I have to wonder what makes the Anybody-But-Bush crowd so certain of the election's outcome. Any reasonable person would at least allow for the possibility of their speculation being wrong, but moowriece is not the first person here to cite a Bush loss (not a Kerry win, I note, but specifically a Bush loss) as some kind of logical tautology. I honestly challenge you: show me your logic.

Or is this simply blind faith?

[andi*pandi]

if you build it, they will come.

positive thinking as a mantra for new hope.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by andi*pandi:
if you build it, they will come.

positive thinking as a mantra for new hope.

In other words, blind faith.

Then again, I suppose it works, for that definition of "new hope". Just remember that different people hope for different things.

[mitchell_pgh]

I think it's going to be tight... the real question is... will the college kids show up?

[andi*pandi]

Originally posted by Millennium:
In other words, blind faith....Just remember that different people hope for different things.

yep, it goes both ways. Everyone's a hopin'.

[djohnson]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I think it's going to be tight... the real question is... will the college kids show up?

4 years ago, very few of us showed up to vote. You know why? Most college kids do not know that, unless you go home to vote, you have to do so absentee. How many do you know will drive/fly home just to vote?

[xi_hyperon]

Originally posted by Millennium:
In other words, blind faith.

Then again, I suppose it works, for that definition of "new hope". Just remember that different people hope for different things.

Dude, lighten up. It's no different than rooting for your favorite sports team. Do you ever smile?

[BlueSky]

Or is this simply blind faith?

There's blind faith and then there's faith in something. Faith creates reality.

When I saw this thread last night, I thought oh no, jinx...

For the last few days I've been back and forth: Kerry will win, Kerry will lose. I've been getting positive signs here and there, then fall back into what can only be called guarded pessimism.

Late last night I remembered something and realized I haven't been "being true" to myself. So **** it, I'm goin' for broke.

Last week I was with a friend and we were discussing the election and all sorts of possible outcomes, what's at stake and so on. As I was leaving, I walked out on the porch and suddenly had a small epiphany of sorts. In the midst of all the discussion of dire results and dangerous times, a notion suddenly appeared in my mind for no apparent reason whatsoever, a notion or "knowing" that it's going to turn out alright.

"Turn out alright" can mean a lot of things. I turned to my friend and told him what had ocurred to me; he said "you think the system will work...?" I don't know about the system.

There are many intelligent, concerned people who can see what is happening to this country and they are afraid of what another 4 years of a Bush administration would look like. A good part of the world shares that concern. I've never seen anything like this and I've been around a while. I know that's insulting to about half of you.

"It's going to turn out alright". What the fock does that mean? I'm not going to analyze it, I just wanted to pass it on. It has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with people. This is what I have faith in, this is what I'm certain of, that's my stand. It's time for a change.

Take a look at what's been happening. We are better than this.

[constrictor]

Originally posted by Millennium:
In other words, blind faith.

I'm told there is nothing wrong with a little blind faith every now and again. 100% of the world's religion, after all, is based on nothing but blind faith. That is to say, nothing at all.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by constrictor:
I'm told there is nothing wrong with a little blind faith every now and again. 100% of the world's religion, after all, is based on nothing but blind faith.

Not quite 100%, but a vast majority are. Based on faith that is, I wouldn't call it "blind" though.

[constrictor]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I wouldn't call it "blind" though.

As was expected. Who that have faith in something would ever admit that it is blind, even if that is the case?

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by constrictor:
As was expected. Who that have faith in something would ever admit that it is blind, even if that is the case?

That's a fair assessment, but I'm not fueled by faith, never have been.

[jojo gunne]

Originally posted by moowriece:
Anyone have some suggestions what George Bush should do after he is finally defeated on November 2nd?.

I propose a compulsory stay at a Texas looney house to get rid of his sins.

Probably lots of rest after all that 'hard work' and lotsa 'luv'in women'.

And some soul searching for all the dead. And a snort a line now and again.

[OldManMac]

Excellent post, Bluesky, and you're right; we are better than this. We also deserve better than this.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Millennium:
You know, with all indications pointing to absolutely nothing conclusive, I have to wonder what makes the Anybody-But-Bush crowd so certain of the election's outcome.

It's because they all hang out with people who think just like them, believe the same kookie conspiracy theories, etc. In their little worlds, it's all anti-Bush... sort of like the Slate endorsement for Kerry that states "At this magazine, it's Kerry by a landslide."

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by Bluesky:

(snipped & edited to reflect how I felt 8 years ago)

There are many intelligent, concerned people who can see what is happening to this country and they are afraid of what another 4 years of a Clinton administration would look like. A good part of the world shares that concern. I've never seen anything like this and I've been around a while. I know that's insulting to about half of you.

"It's going to turn out alright". What the fock does that mean? I'm not going to analyze it, I just wanted to pass it on. It has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with people. This is what I have faith in, this is what I'm certain of, that's my stand. It's time for a change.

Take a look at what's been happening. We are better than this.

If it's any consolation, the system worked - and Clinton didn't end up doing as much damage as a lot of us believed he would.

Honestly, I despised Clinton to much greater degree than anybody here despises Dubya. To quote a famous Democrat; "I feel your pain."

[Cohiba]

I am just wondering, honestly.

Who here would rather just have some random other guy be president besides Kerry or Bush? Really? Just random guy X? I mean, really, they are both dirt bags.

Although this would not be democracy, it is a mutually unfavorable compromise. November 3rd, the nation will be torn in half. The vast majority of Americans will completely loose their ability to think rationally, and only think “party thought”, hell it is already happing now. No matter what happens I really think America has lost. G.W. said the formations of political parties will sooner or later break this country, I believe that wisdom is showing today. I truly think America will just split apart this election. Just look at this forum, see how people act, look how people act all around you, it truly is sad. We are no longer Americans, but a “Kerry American” or a “Bush American”. A “Liberal, or Conservative”. A “Left” or “Right Winger”. We might as well be on Blue team or Red team.

The a large group of you talk incoherent trash about each other. People saying how they hate conservatives, or hate liberals. For what reason? Because they think different? Hell, people are using Nazi sighs to portray Bush, people using Stalin signs to portray Kerry, as if millions of people dying in horrible ways is similar to what has happened in this election. Does Bush waging war on Iraq make him like Hitler? Does Kerry protesting Vietnam make him like Stalin? I would say your knowledge of history is incredibly lapse if you think so, and that your ability to dilute a horrible time in history so that it can be used as a modern political weapon is quite childish.

People no longer talk about anything without basing it on politics, and not even politics, but party politics. Partisan dribble. Bush sucks, Kerry is a “Flip-Flopper™”. I do not fear for a certain candidate winning. I fear that a candidate will win.

The way America has become, either guy is the wrong guy. People will not be able to put this win/loss down. The winners will constantly throw it in the face of the losers, and create resentment. The losers will have animosity to the winners, and also create resentment. Being around the world, I have seen civil wars fought for less.

If people have ever seen a soccer game in some nations, rioting takes place no matter what, as one team has to loose. Imagine that with America, that is what I fear this November 3rd.

Our nation is on the roller coaster to destruction, one that we made ourselves. If you ever read Plato’s “The Republic”, I think we just may be at the verge of Anarchy. Sad indeed.

O well, it was John Adams who said that every democracy must murder itself. I guess America is no different.

I would rest much easier if both Bush and Kerry got together and became president and vice-president, and just flipped a coin to see who sat in the big chair. I have always found out it is better to make all the masses unhappy, then one very happy and the other furious. But hey, what do I know.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Kerry will most likely run to the UN and whine as soon as he looses.

And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

Or at least as safe as we have been for the past 4 years (not very).

[Millennium]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Not quite 100%, but a vast majority are. Based on faith that is, I wouldn't call it "blind" though.

It's the 100% certainty which makes me call it blind. The idea that there is absolutely no possibility whatsoever that Bush might win fairly.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
I would rest much easier if both Bush and Kerry got together and became president and vice-president, and just flipped a coin to see who sat in the big chair. I have always found out it is better to make all the masses unhappy, then one very happy and the other furious. But hey, what do I know.

Once upon a time, that was almost the way things were done.

The Founders expected vice presidents to be experienced and highly regarded men, for instead of providing for separate vice-presidential elections, they decided that the person receiving the second largest number of electoral votes for president should hold the office. --http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_089300_vicepresiden.htm

So, the notion was that the highest number of electoral votes would go to the President, and the second place would be VP. This worked until 1804, when a crisis caused the need for the 12th Amendment, requiring that electoral voters vote separately for President and VP.


As you say, the country may well be split. This isn't the first time in history this has happened. 1800, 1824, 1876, 1888, 1960 were all disputed.

For half the country, the President will be "My President" and for the other half, he won't be President at all. Fortunately for those disappointed, it only lasts four years until the opportunity to vote will come again.

[jojo gunne]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Kerry by a landslide.

Yupper...

[jojo gunne]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
Honestly, I despised Clinton to much greater degree than anybody here despises Dubya.

No you don't. Impossible.

[BlueSky]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
If it's any consolation, the system worked - and Clinton didn't end up doing as much damage as a lot of us believed he would.

I'm glad to hear that you found that out in the end. Thing is, W has done a remarkable amount of damage in only 4 years. I wince when I think of another 4 years.

But that ain't gonna happen.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally posted by Bluesky:
I'm glad to hear that you found that out in the end. Thing is, W has done a remarkable amount of damage in only 4 years. I wince when I think of another 4 years.

But that ain't gonna happen.

When it does, rest assured that the system will work, anyway.

Damn, you sound just I did 8 years ago.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Kerry will most likely run to the UN and whine as soon as he looses.

And the US will be safe for another 4 years with Bush as President.

Safe? Bush and the whole US system did a piss poor job on 9/11.

Or you think you are safe cuz they are sending bombs to the other side of the world

[Nicko]

Give in to his natural urges and complete the transformation:

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Nicko:
Give in to his natural urges and complete the transformation:

Nicko, the images are funny and all, but it makes me have to pan-n-scan to read the rest of the posts. Any way you could reduce the size or just post a link to it or something?

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
I am just wondering, honestly.

Who here would rather just have some random other guy be president besides Kerry or Bush? Really? Just random guy X? I mean, really, they are both dirt bags.

Although this would not be democracy, it is a mutually unfavorable compromise. November 3rd, the nation will be torn in half. The vast majority of Americans will completely loose their ability to think rationally, and only think “party thought”, hell it is already happing now. No matter what happens I really think America has lost. G.W. said the formations of political parties will sooner or later break this country, I believe that wisdom is showing today. I truly think America will just split apart this election. Just look at this forum, see how people act, look how people act all around you, it truly is sad. We are no longer Americans, but a “Kerry American” or a “Bush American”. A “Liberal, or Conservative”. A “Left” or “Right Winger”. We might as well be on Blue team or Red team.

The a large group of you talk incoherent trash about each other. People saying how they hate conservatives, or hate liberals. For what reason? Because they think different? Hell, people are using Nazi sighs to portray Bush, people using Stalin signs to portray Kerry, as if millions of people dying in horrible ways is similar to what has happened in this election. Does Bush waging war on Iraq make him like Hitler? Does Kerry protesting Vietnam make him like Stalin? I would say your knowledge of history is incredibly lapse if you think so, and that your ability to dilute a horrible time in history so that it can be used as a modern political weapon is quite childish.

People no longer talk about anything without basing it on politics, and not even politics, but party politics. Partisan dribble. Bush sucks, Kerry is a “Flip-Flopper™”. I do not fear for a certain candidate winning. I fear that a candidate will win.

The way America has become, either guy is the wrong guy. People will not be able to put this win/loss down. The winners will constantly throw it in the face of the losers, and create resentment. The losers will have animosity to the winners, and also create resentment. Being around the world, I have seen civil wars fought for less.

If people have ever seen a soccer game in some nations, rioting takes place no matter what, as one team has to loose. Imagine that with America, that is what I fear this November 3rd.

Our nation is on the roller coaster to destruction, one that we made ourselves. If you ever read Plato’s “The Republic”, I think we just may be at the verge of Anarchy. Sad indeed.

O well, it was John Adams who said that every democracy must murder itself. I guess America is no different.

I would rest much easier if both Bush and Kerry got together and became president and vice-president, and just flipped a coin to see who sat in the big chair. I have always found out it is better to make all the masses unhappy, then one very happy and the other furious. But hey, what do I know.

Apparently no one can recognize a good, coherent post when they see one. So, here I am, giving recognition where it is due. Great post and pretty much sums up the "State of the Union" and these forums at this time.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by moowriece:
Anyone have some suggestions what George Bush should do after he is finally defeated on November 2nd?.

I propose a compulsory stay at a Texas looney house to get rid of his sins.

I propose you stick to speaking of the "pompitous of love," moowriece.

[Xeo]

I know that Bush won't win on Nov 4th, 2008. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Whoever wins on Nov. 2nd deserves it. If more people like you over the other guy, then good for you. That's why we have elections. If the popular vote says one guy and the electoral vote says another, then there will be reason to complain but it's still not unfair. Face it, we have a system where the people don't truly choose the president. This is why our voting for congressmen and senators should be just as important as this election. We need to care about all levels of our governmental system if we want something different for our country.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by Nicko:
Give in to his natural urges and complete the transformation:

In your mind he didn't win. In the real world, he won.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
In your mind he didn't win. In the real world, he won.

Look at the date on his post again, Buckaroo. Bush, in fact, will not win on Nov. 4, 2008. He will no longer be eligible to run, having served two full terms as President already.

[Buckaroo]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Look at the date on his post again, Buckaroo. Bush, in fact, will not win on Nov. 4, 2008. He will no longer be eligible to run, having served two full terms as President already.

Sorry, I accidentally clicked on the wrong reply, after switching to another browser window. I fixed it.

[nooon]

todays Daily Mirror.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by nooon:
todays Daily Mirror.

In other words, the Democrats have a monopoly on The Truth; is that what the Mirror is saying? Not that I'd be surprised; many of Bush's opponents have been using this tactic. Rather uncharacteristic of a group that prides itself on relativism.

[ebuddy]

It's all good Millenium. I mean afterall, look at the title of this thread. It should be apparent that at least a few folks are severely delusional.