[ebuddy]

Actually, the thread title begs of our democratic brothers' contribution to it. However, I thought it'd be nice to attempt to unite the 30% or less Republicans from the Poli/War Lounge to see if we're still around. You can call it a "love fest" of like-minded conservatives and republicans.

Welcome all. 'Tis a good day for Republicans. As events unfold within the approaching days of the election, we can see some desparate attempts at manipulating it. As Dems busily muster registered voters from all walks of life... and death, and minors, and people who never actually existed including household pets- we know only one thing could be happening; "GET OUT THE VOTE!!" Colorado for example, has more registered voters this year than actual people. We thought the 2000 election was an isolated incident of unprecedented attempts at hinging election results on courtroom decisions, but we've only seen the beginning. In spite of the fact that Ohio has been using card-ballots for decades, we've seen over the past several months, attempts at making those ballots appear more difficult to navigate. Fortunately, Ohio has already addressed those lawsuits and is now ready to conduct an election. Unfortunately, this will not hinder it from becoming this election's Florida controversy. Why? Because there's one thing the democratic party has a wealth of and it's not compassion or fairness, it's lawyers. Rest assured, when you hear phrases like; "stolen elections" it means the Dems were trying to steal it. This is not unlike those times you hear; "RACISM!!", it's because the color of your skin is foremost on their minds and racism runs rampant throughout their veins. In short, if they're accusing you of something, you'd do well to quickly investigate the accusers using the same litmus and subject matter. Why? Because this is the great liberal blunder, they expose themselves in the act of attempting to expose you.

We are watching Kerry jump head-first into the debateable time-table of missing weapons caches in Iraq, immediately blaming Bush. This is no different than any other accusation to date. Our Predators would have seen 38 semi's roll out of Al Qaqaa, requring the lining up of several hundred foot long fleets, but pay no mind. They're trying to get out the vote. In spite of this "knowledge" early last year, why is it newsworthy today? Get out the vote. In fact, this news is of such dire importance that CBS was going to wait 'til next Monday to publish the story. So, one could assume the news isn't as important as the timing of it. In spite of the endless amounts of help Kerry receives from the media- we've watched Kerry flail and blunder over his own statements time and again throughout this campaign. We've watched his wife froth at the mouth publically, without bib large enough to collect the slobber. How many times will Kerry have to apologize for her before we realize she's not only a liability to his campaign, she could be a liability to America. Why? Because hate does not know moderation. It cannot remain silent. It is the antagonist who spews pessimism. As Kerry tries to make us believe the sky is falling, few are buying and we watch firsthand, the implosion of a Democrat candidate.

Meanwhile;

Reuters/Zogby; 10/24.........Bush +1
TIPP; 10/25......................Bush +6
CNN/USAT/Gallup; 10/25.....Bush +5
LA TIMES; 10/24................TIE
NEWSWEEK; 10/21.............Bush +2

[Spliffdaddy]

It's gonna be awesome to have Dubya in office for four more years. I think it's a done deal. We should be more concerned with who our candidate will be in 2008.

Jenna Bush won't be old enough to run for president in 2008, so we need a temporary replacement. I think Newt Gingrich would make a great interim choice.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Spliffdaddy:
It's gonna be awesome to have Dubya in office for four more years. I think it's a done deal. We should be more concerned with who our candidate will be in 2008.

Jeb?

[RAILhead]

It will be interesting. My wife and I voted yesterday -- but we live in Texas so that's pretty much a sealed-deal for Bush.

Regardless, I have received email from all over the country -- and a few outside of the US -- echoing the hope that Bush will be re-elected. I have a banner ad for Bush on my site (at the bottom) and my random top-page ads have some Bush ads in queue, which is why people are emailing. The majority are Republicans emailing to say thanking me for making a statement and for being a conservative mac user -- I guess people really do think most Mac users are libbie hippies or something.

Anyway, my family is hoping and praying that Bush will win. I guess my feelings come mostly from my being a born again Christian and I have moral issues with 99,9% of Kerry's policies and voting records. If he were to win, I honestly think he'll take us into a "dark age" of moral decline -- further and faster than we're already going. I want a man of faith in the White House -- a man than is vocal about his beliefs and his God, and admits that his Faith helps in the decision making process. That's what we need. That's why we elect people -- to further our opinions and agendas.

The agenda Kerry will promote is far from any agenda I want my children to be privy to.

I would be lying if I said I didn't have doubts about whether Bush will win. Back to being a Christian, scripture tells us to boldly go before the throne of God in prayer and ask expecting our prayers will be answered -- so that's what I'm doing. I'm praying that people in the US will be weary of the negativism of Kerry's campaign and the moral decline in our Nation. I'm praying that the people of the US will decide it's time to make sure we have a man with a true heart, with real convictions -- convictions that walk alongside his Faith -- in the White House. I pray that every eligible voter that would vote for Bush would make it to the polls to help secure his re-election. I pray that we, as a nation, will be able to thank God in one voice for allowing Bush to win again, so that Christians and non-Christian all over will witness the power of prayer. Lastly, knowing that He has timing for everything, I pray that if Bush does not take office, God will help us see why and to understand, so that we may know better what we should do.

Here's to four more years, my friends.

Maury

[ebuddy]

Hillary will no doubt run in some form or fashion, and Condoleeza would be the best suited to wash this factor. So, you could have a Condoleeza candidate w/ Powell mate or vise-versa. You could have a Gulianni with Condi mate or vise-versa. You could have Jeb, but I think the American public is too childish to embrace candidate "Jeb". I could just hear the Beverly Hill-Billies tune right now. It'll be interesting to see.

[typoon]

I hope Bush Wins. I'm not happy with some of the things he's done but He is MUCH better than Kerry. What about Rudy Guiliani Running in 08? Especially if it's against <shudders> Hillary <shudders>.

I wonder what the Dems would come up with if Condi ran for President. What could they come up with then? It would sure be hard for them to use the race card.

[Spliffdaddy]

I'm thinking Nader would get more votes than Hillary ever would.

I agree with the Jeb Bush = Hillbilly statement. There are still plenty of Americans that fancy themselves as being superior to hillbillies. But a hillbilly could kick any of their asses before breakfast. The same folks that have their roots in supporting the southern genocide known as the Civil War are still oppressing the southern folks even today. Reckon they feel bad for not killing all of us when they had their chance.

Too late now.

[ebuddy]

Well put RailHead. I think we agree on the importance of God in our blessed nation. See, many believe Bush is at the forefront of the great "division" you see in our politics, but truth be told; Carter was an evangelical Christian and this was not the case in his time. It was still relatively taboo to bash Christianity and that allowed the Christian principle to prevail. Now you see a nation increasingly secular, (europeanization) that initiates ad hominem attacks on Christianity and Nationalism as if it's somehow dirty to legislate in accordance with core beliefs and principle. People fail to realize that our world's greatest leaders truly believed they were called to service and were great stewards of that responsibility. This is today somehow viewed as a bad thing. I see the fruits of the opposition and I find the waffling to establish the difference between truth and lies. This difference is what is dividing the country. Those from both sides are struggling to further their cause. The Christian is experiencing a decline in support from it's countrymen. It's sad to watch to be sure, but it's been predicted...that is to say; prophecied.

Also well-put Typoon. I, like you, have some issues w/ Bush and I think we can all agree on one thing; it is impossible (unless you're completely partisan-blind) to suppose one should believe in all aspects of an administration. I'm hopeful that with the election won, we can return to more fiscal conservatism, stronger border restriction, and the continued if not enhanced posture in Iraq. Our presence needs to be made known and while it's important for a candidate to "reach-out" during election times, it'll be interesting to see what we can do when we're not "reaching-out" for the mere sake of it and actually returning to robust, conservative policy. I prayerfully look forward with patriotism, nationalism, and optimism in calling for 4 MORE YEARS!

[Cody Dawg]

This is a GREAT FEEL-GOOD thread. Thanks ebuddy! Hello, fellow Republicans!

Here's a nice Halloween picture for y'all from down here in the Southeast -- enjoy!




Edited to put in smaller image.

- Thanks.

[Spliffdaddy]

Actually, I'm not so sure that Kerry isn't more religious than Bush. Lately, Kerry has avoided saying the words 'faith' and 'God' - but that wasn't the case before he began his presidential campaign. Don't let Kerry fool you. He has a long history of faith in God and he comes from a religious family. He's every bit the equal of Dubya when it comes to his faith. I'd be willing to bet that Kerry has used the word 'God' more times than any other US senator in history.

[typoon]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
Well put RailHead. I think we agree on the importance of God in our blessed nation. See, many believe Bush is at the forefront of the great "division" you see in our politics, but truth be told; Carter was an evangelical Christian and this was not the case in his time. It was still relatively taboo to bash Christianity and that allowed the Christian principle to prevail. Now you see a nation increasingly secular, (europeanization) that initiates ad hominem attacks on Christianity and Nationalism as if it's somehow dirty to legislate in accordance with core beliefs and principle. People fail to realize that our world's greatest leaders truly believed they were called to service and were great stewards of that responsibility. This is today somehow viewed as a bad thing. I see the fruits of the opposition and I find the waffling to establish the difference between truth and lies. This difference is what is dividing the country. Those from both sides are struggling to further their cause. The Christian is experiencing a decline in support from it's countrymen. It's sad to watch to be sure, but it's been predicted...that is to say; prophecied.

Also well-put Typoon. I, like you, have some issues w/ Bush and I think we can all agree on one thing; it is impossible (unless you're completely partisan-blind) to suppose one should believe in all aspects of an administration. I'm hopeful that with the election won, we can return to more fiscal conservatism, stronger border restriction, and the continued if not enhanced posture in Iraq. Our presence needs to be made known and while it's important for a candidate to "reach-out" during election times, it'll be interesting to see what we can do when we're not "reaching-out" for the mere sake of it and actually returning to robust, conservative policy. I prayerfully look forward with patriotism, nationalism, and optimism in calling for 4 MORE YEARS!

This is another reason why we need to have Bush in office. The terrorists are scared. They know what would happen to them with 4 more years of Bush. When that one says it would be better if the UN was in charge of course it would be. They can easily manipulate the UN. The can't easily do that with Bush.

[typoon]

I don't know if any of you have browsed that Democrat only thread. I have. I can't believe the Vitriol and hatered that is spewed there.

[ebuddy]

Good point Spliff, but there's one main difference between Kerry and Bush that would suggest stronger conviction in one and that is the ability to proudly proclaim your belief, legislate in accordance with that belief without fear and compromise. The one thing you never had to hear from Bush is; "I understand your conviction and share your beliefs, but..." In other words, it does no good at all to have a belief if you are never courageous enough to act on that belief. In Christian circles it is known both in attitude and in scripture, "faith without works is dead."

That said, you know the fruits of one's faith by their actions. If one is not acting on their faith, there is little to see other than a candidate left of Kennedy in voting record.

[ebuddy]

I don't know if any of you have browsed that Democrat only thread. I have. I can't believe the Vitriol and hatered that is spewed there.

You no doubt saw me stick my face right in the thick of it then? I basically called them to task for pointing fingers at "haters" using hatred to make their point. I called them to task for pointing fingers at "xenophobes" while they used xenophobia to make their point. I really torked one poster off at that point. None of what I had to say was directed initially at any one poster, but I took the most absurd examples of blind partisanship and threw it back in their faces. One poster was apparently convicted by that and railed at me with venom.

I'm glad to see that so far, our thread is sober and sensible.

[ebuddy]

Good to see you Cody! You'll no doubt get a little flack for your "intent" behind tombstones of prominent Democrat candidates, but I will offer my approval and understanding of your pic by affirming in fact; the Kerry/Edwards campaign for President is dead!

[typoon]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
You no doubt saw me stick my face right in the thick of it then? I basically called them to task for pointing fingers at "haters" using hatred to make their point. I called them to task for pointing fingers at "xenophobes" while they used xenophobia to make their point. I really torked one poster off at that point. None of what I had to say was directed initially at any one poster, but I took the most absurd examples of blind partisanship and threw it back in their faces. One poster was apparently convicted by that and railed at me with venom.

I'm glad to see that so far, our thread is sober and sensible.

Yes I did ebuddy. I find it quite fun at times to tweak the democrats and liberals. It's just so much fun seeing their reactions to things. I've also been trying to post threads that show the other side not just the one side that seems to have shown up in the political forum.

It's nice to see fellow republicans here in the forums. I sometimes feel like the lone voice.

[BlueSky]

[djohnson]

Time to jump into this crowd as well. My wife and I are voting Thursday night, right before we work out. I forgot my voting card last night... Anyways, like RAILhead said, Bush is a done deal here in Texas.

I know that my church is praying that it is God's will that Bush be re-elected. I have this feeling that the election will turn out better than people are expecting. I will go ahead and say it here, there will be some close races, but no 50/50 ties. Bush will win by a good margin.

Anyone going to have a party next Tuesday night and watch the election returns? I am!

[vmarks]

In some states, early voting is being counted as absentee ballots. How is this handled in your state?

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by djohnson:
Time to jump into this crowd as well. My wife and I are voting Thursday night, right before we work out. I forgot my voting card last night... Anyways, like RAILhead said, Bush is a done deal here in Texas.

I know that my church is praying that it is God's will that Bush be re-elected. I have this feeling that the election will turn out better than people are expecting. I will go ahead and say it here, there will be some close races, but no 50/50 ties. Bush will win by a good margin.

Anyone going to have a party next Tuesday night and watch the election returns? I am!

We have our Home Team on Tuesday nights (Home Teams are our Church's small group classes, ala "Sunday School"), and we're all big into politics. Thats aid, I don't know how much Bible study we'll be doing because we'll all want to be watching TV -- and praying a lot.

Maury

[djohnson]

Originally posted by vmarks:
In some states, early voting is being counted as absentee ballots. How is this handled in your state?

Honestly I don't have a clue. Last time we voted absentee because we in school still. We are going to vote early so that we don't have to wait in line forever next Tuesday.

[typoon]

Let the law suites begin. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3332-5663r.htm

Looks like they are starting in Florida already.

Has anyone here asked a Kerry supporter why they are voting for Kerry? Many times if not all the time is because they HATE Bush. No other reason. Many of them don't even like Kerry they are just voting for him because the HATE Bush. What kind of way to vote for someone is that? What happened to voting for people's ideas?

[RAILhead]

Since we're speaking of Faith and Politics, I thought I'd share something cool our Home team is doing right now: we're adopting local soldiers and their families. More specifically, we're adopting them to help relieve their burden in sending care packages to their loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My wife's friend's husband in is Iraq (he's coming home in November) and she has mentioned how hard it is to keep up with sending supplies like hand wipes, shampoo, soap, toothpaste, etc. Not only that, but all the guys share what they get since some soldiers don't have anyone back home sending them things. That said, what gets sent for one soldier for a month easily gets passed around to a number of guys for a few days.

Our Home Team is trying to relieve some of that burden by sending large quantities of items on behalf of the families, which not only gets more supplies to the men and women overseas, it gives the local family a financial break for a good, long time.

Keep our "project" in your thoughts and prayers if you don't mind!

Maury

[vmarks]

Originally posted by typoon:
What happened to voting for people's ideas?

Ballot access laws written by two parties kept so-called third parties off the ballot, rendering people with a limited set of choices that only partially reflected their own ideals. Given only two options (or two so-called 'not-throwing-away-your-vote' options) people vote against rather than for.

[typoon]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Ballot access laws written by two parties kept so-called third parties off the ballot, rendering people with a limited set of choices that only partially reflected their own ideals. Given only two options (or two so-called 'not-throwing-away-your-vote' options) people vote against rather than for.

Unfortunately.

[MATTRESS]

Originally posted by typoon:
What kind of way to vote for someone is that? What happened to voting for people's ideas?

Nowadays it's easier for them to oppose something and criticize instead of offering their alternative and offering a solution.

I'm stunned at the numbers of vehicles I see with anti-Bush stickers and no Kerry stickers at all. If these people put the same kind of effort into electing Kerry instead of merely being anti-Bush then Kerry would have won this long ago.

To me the silence reflects the reality that Democrats don't even like Kerry so all that's left is to be anti-Bush.

[typoon]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Since we're speaking of Faith and Politics, I thought I'd share something cool our Home team is doing right now: we're adopting local soldiers and their families. More specifically, we're adopting them to help relieve their burden in sending care packages to their loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My wife's friend's husband in is Iraq (he's coming home in November) and she has mentioned how hard it is to keep up with sending supplies like hand wipes, shampoo, soap, toothpaste, etc. Not only that, but all the guys share what they get since some soldiers don't have anyone back home sending them things. That said, what gets sent for one soldier for a month easily gets passed around to a number of guys for a few days.

Our Home Team is trying to relieve some of that burden by sending large quantities of items on behalf of the families, which not only gets more supplies to the men and women overseas, it gives the local family a financial break for a good, long time.

Keep our "project" in your thoughts and prayers if you don't mind!

Maury

Maury If you are able to either post an address or list someplace that people can help I think many in this thread as well as other might be willing to help keep your "project" going.

[SimeyTheLimey]

Originally posted by typoon:
Has anyone here asked a Kerry supporter why they are voting for Kerry? Many times if not all the time is because they HATE Bush. No other reason. Many of them don't even like Kerry they are just voting for him because the HATE Bush. What kind of way to vote for someone is that? What happened to voting for people's ideas?

Kerry. Ideas?

The Democrats are a party fresh out of ideas. They stopped having ideas around the time Kerry got back from Vietnam. What Democrats stand for is basically what was considered progressive in 1972. They haven't evolved since then at all.

I see this a lot in my law school classes. Time and time again as you survey an area of law, you can see a liberal high water mark in policies in the early 1970s. Since then it has been nothing but a retreat for the left, with all the new ideas coming from the right. Basically, liberals are the true American conservatives. And because they keep losing ground, they get angry.

[Cody Dawg]

I can't believe the Vitriol and hatered that is spewed there.

Those liberals have been that way for the last four years since they legitimately lost the election here.

Do you know, they are lining up DAILY in huge HUGE lines here in West Palm Beach to vote? I'll have to post a picture here so you can see how crazy it is here.

I feel sorry for them...what will they do when they lose the election again?

[typoon]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
Those liberals have been that way for the last four years since they legitimately lost the election here.

Do you know, they are lining up DAILY in huge HUGE lines here in West Palm Beach to vote? I'll have to post a picture here so you can see how crazy it is here.

I feel sorry for them...what will they do when they lose the election again?

They will cry foul like the always do. Disenfranchised voters, they will fight ballots getting thrown out because they are not filled out completely. The usual stuff. I'm sure we will see it even if it's a landslide for Bush.

What would the Democrats do if it was a landslide victory for President Bush? I think they'd be beside themselves.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Since we're speaking of Faith and Politics, I thought I'd share something cool our Home team is doing right now: we're adopting local soldiers and their families. More specifically, we're adopting them to help relieve their burden in sending care packages to their loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My wife's friend's husband in is Iraq (he's coming home in November) and she has mentioned how hard it is to keep up with sending supplies like hand wipes, shampoo, soap, toothpaste, etc. Not only that, but all the guys share what they get since some soldiers don't have anyone back home sending them things. That said, what gets sent for one soldier for a month easily gets passed around to a number of guys for a few days.

Our Home Team is trying to relieve some of that burden by sending large quantities of items on behalf of the families, which not only gets more supplies to the men and women overseas, it gives the local family a financial break for a good, long time.

Keep our "project" in your thoughts and prayers if you don't mind!

Maury

Yes, it's especially important to list contact info in the light of the following info:

I looked into this several months ago and was kinda suprised that random donations of products was no longer accepted by the USO or any of the service agencies.

http://uso.org/pubs/8_18_23.cfm

America’s Sons and Daughters in Uniform Need Your Help

"Please note that the DoD is urging the general public not to send unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend._ This is being done to bolster force protection._The USO is unable to accept care package items however, monetary donations only can be made to the USO in support of our troops."___

[Cody Dawg]

What was sad is that some of those Dems were busted for double and triple voting. THAT didn't make the news so much last time, just the hanging chad business.

I was at a grocery store and some old geezer was getting into his car with his wife, huffing and puffing because they were both overweight, and he started talking to me out of the blue and said,

"We came here for a flu shot and they ain't got any. Bush, he should be shot. He's responsible for us not gettin' flu shots and for my wife dyin'. She's got a bad heart and not even her doctor can get her a flu shot, so we come on down here to get a flu shot and they're out already. This president is a JOKE."

He said that, I suppose, in response to the fact that I have a big "W" (George W.) sticker in my back window and in my front window.

The memorable thing is that he was spitting the words out at me - honestly, I thought he might purposely ram my car or spit on me or my car.

They blame George W. for EVERYTHING down here.

Sprinklers won't come on? W. is responsible for water shortages for some reason.

More mosquitos than usual? W. is responsible.

The local store doesn't have your brand of pancake mix? I'm sure they think W. is responsible for that in their twisted minds.

You guys think you've got it bad? Try being a Republican in a primarily Democratic county. Life is rough.

(Not to derail the thread, but another thing? We opted to let someone else get flu shots in our places and guess what? My 4-year old got the flu and then he developed meningitis. He was even bleeding out of his eyes. It was bad. At least he's turned the corner and is doing better. This flu season is going to be rough, so get your flu shots...it's a very nasty virus.)

[Cody Dawg]

Speaking of the hatred that democrats have, here's an example right down here in our stomping grounds.

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by typoon:
Maury If you are able to either post an address or list someplace that people can help I think many in this thread as well as other might be willing to help keep your "project" going.

Thanks -- that's awesome. I'll be getting with the rest of the group toward the end of the week, as one of our group is in charge of getting the list of local people overseas. In our town of about 26,500 give or take, there's ONE woman that goes around to all the stores and restaurants, and places pictures of all the local soldiers associated with those establishments in the establishment's entry. It's really cool. When you go to Target, our Mall, our restaurants, you get to see the sheer number of people just in that single business that have people related, in some way, fighting overseas.

The woman in our group (Teresa -- oh the irony), is getting with this other woman to get the list of families. From this list, we're going to start trying to find the ones that are most in need of having the financial burden relieved, and we'll begin our "relief effort."

Our little group is fronting for everything, but if there are others that would want to donate to help us, that would be totally awesome! I'll be sure to post info once we get everything fully running and have a list of families -- and I may even do the same on my site, and allow for people to donate via PayPal or something.

The rest of the group will be thrilled that others like the idea and have expressed interest in helping. Thanks, man -- it's truly heartwarming!

FWIW, we're members of Brazos Point Fellowship here in Lake Jackson, and it's under our Church's Home Team groups were beginning this little ministry. Their site looks like crap -- but I don't have anything to do with it.

Maury

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
Yes, it's especially important to list contact info in the light of the following info:

I looked into this several months ago and was kinda suprised that random donations of products was no longer accepted by the USO or any of the service agencies.

http://uso.org/pubs/8_18_23.cfm

America’s Sons and Daughters in Uniform Need Your Help

"Please note that the DoD is urging the general public not to send unsolicited mail, care packages or donations to service members unless you are a family member, loved one or personal friend._ This is being done to bolster force protection._The USO is unable to accept care package items however, monetary donations only can be made to the USO in support of our troops."___

Yes, and that's what's different about what we're wanting to do (it was my wife's idea, so I give her credit). We're going to contact the families and instead of the family being responsible for the cost and content, we're going to do it for them. Basically, we're going to take over paying for everything for as many families as possible and provide them with everything they want to send without them having to pay for any of it.

The hope is that in doing so, we'll be examples of Jesus' love and concern and we'll establish a connection with the families and the soldiers through aid and prayer -- and by introducing them to our church and God if the opportunity is there.

Maury

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Cody Dawg:
What was sad is that some of those Dems were busted for double and triple voting. THAT didn't make the news so much last time, just the hanging chad business.

I was at a grocery store and some old geezer was getting into his car with his wife, huffing and puffing because they were both overweight, and he started talking to me out of the blue and said,

"We came here for a flu shot and they ain't got any. Bush, he should be shot. He's responsible for us not gettin' flu shots and for my wife dyin'. She's got a bad heart and not even her doctor can get her a flu shot, so we come on down here to get a flu shot and they're out already. This president is a JOKE."

He said that, I suppose, in response to the fact that I have a big "W" (George W.) sticker in my back window and in my front window.

The memorable thing is that he was spitting the words out at me - honestly, I thought he might purposely ram my car or spit on me or my car.

They blame George W. for EVERYTHING down here.

Sprinklers won't come on? W. is responsible for water shortages for some reason.

More mosquitos than usual? W. is responsible.

The local store doesn't have your brand of pancake mix? I'm sure they think W. is responsible for that in their twisted minds.

You guys think you've got it bad? Try being a Republican in a primarily Democratic county. Life is rough.

(Not to derail the thread, but another thing? We opted to let someone else get flu shots in our places and guess what? My 4-year old got the flu and then he developed meningitis. He was even bleeding out of his eyes. It was bad. At least he's turned the corner and is doing better. This flu season is going to be rough, so get your flu shots...it's a very nasty virus.)

Sorry to hear of your youngun! Glad he's doing better.

As for the old Demo-coot, I wonder if in addition to THINKING FUZZY he also looked kinda FUZZY?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Yes, and that's what's different about what we're wanting to do (it was my wife's idea, so I give her credit). We're going to contact the families and instead of the family being responsible for the cost and content, we're going to do it for them. Basically, we're going to take over paying for everything for as many families as possible and provide them with everything they want to send without them having to pay for any of it.

The hope is that in doing so, we'll be examples of Jesus' love and concern and we'll establish a connection with the families and the soldiers through aid and prayer -- and by introducing them to our church and God if the opportunity is there.

Maury

Cool, warm, smart, loving...totally CHRISTIAN!

Good for y'all!

[typoon]

Maury, it'll be interesting to see what happens when you put it up in the forum in a none political way just to help out our troops. I wonder what the dems on this board will say.

[greenamp]

Can a libertarian post here too? Or maybe I should start a 3rd party thread and sing with the crickets, lol.

At any rate, my wife and I will be voting for Bush, b/c we feel there is simply too much at stake in this election. John Kerry would do 10 times more damage to this country than GWB has done, and could ever do. Not that it makes a huge difference, as TN will go for Bush hands down.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by greenamp:
Can a libertarian post here too?

Absolutely. My bone to pick is with anarchists-masquerading-as-Libertarians.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by vmarks:
Absolutely. My bone to pick is with anarchists-masquerading-as-Libertarians.

Anarchists say they had the name first.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by typoon:
Maury, it'll be interesting to see what happens when you put it up in the forum in a none political way just to help out our troops. I wonder what the dems on this board will say.

I, for one, think it's a great idea. I don't agree with Maury policy wise but I commend him for being a part of that.

P.S. I'm a registered Independent.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
I, for one, think it's a great idea. I don't agree with Maury policy wise but I commend him for being a part of that.

P.S. I'm a registered Independent.

While I don't agree with him politically or religiously, we would be willing to help as well.

p.s. Can't any of you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a bad thing, even by the very definition.

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
I, for one, think it's a great idea. I don't agree with Maury policy wise but I commend him for being a part of that.

P.S. I'm a registered Independent.

What we're doing is what's we like to call compassionate conservatism.

Maury

[RAILhead]

Originally posted by mikellanes:
While I don't agree with him politically or religiously, we would be willing to help as well.

p.s. Can't any of you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a bad thing, even by the very definition.

Can't you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a good thing, even by the very definition?

Please don't derail this into a religious debate. Leave it be, please.

Maury

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by mikellanes:
p.s. Can't any of you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a bad thing, even by the very definition.

yes

Can't you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a good thing, even by the very definition?

Please don't derail this into a religious debate. Leave it be, please.

Maury

yes

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by RAILhead:
Can't you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a good thing, even by the very definition?

Please don't derail this into a religious debate. Leave it be, please.

Maury

I wasn't speaking strictly on religion.

[ebuddy]

all quotes originally posted by mikellanes; While I don't agree with him politically or religiously, we would be willing to help as well.

That's commendable. They will appreciate your help.

p.s. Can't any of you see how a person operating on FAITH could be a bad thing, even by the very definition.

I think that's a very good point and I will address it by using the definition of faith;

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
- I believe if one knows the principles of truth, value, and trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing, they will be personally obligated to uphold those principles.

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
- Like evolution for example. This "theory" has made humans believe they are no more valuable than matter found in primordial soup. A worm if you will, having occurred completely by accident with no design nor designer. This belief has led to a severe decline in the idea of moral absolutism otherwise inherent in our species and has attempted to separate man from his Creator not only by millions of years, but the suggestion that he/she was not created at all. This IMHO, is a very bad thing.

3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
- Many might suggest that "nationalism" falls under this category. I believe it's unfortunate that nationalism is now viewed as somehow being a bad thing.

4. A set of principles or beliefs.
See all above.

In short mikellanes, I agree with your point, but it's not a blanket statement. Much good has come from faith as you know. I believe the difference lies in the constitution of the faithful. The difference is Optimism or Pessimism. Many believed women would not be good stewards of the right to vote. It took faith and courage for this to occur. Many believed the black man would not survive in our society and attempted to use this lack of faith to maintain a policy of inequality. Faith prevailed. Many believed we would not successfully navigate our way to the moon, but faith prevailed. Many having suffered various tragedies in their lives were not certain they could carry on, but faith prevailed. In short, it's faith that drives men to extremes and helps them overcome what many see as boundaries. Sometimes this extreme is exacted in a selfish way and begets negative outcomes. More often faith is used in a selfless way and begets great feats for humankind. Achievements otherwise believed to be impossible to attain. I believe the fruits of the faith remain with those that are optimistic.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by ebuddy:
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
- Like evolution for example. This "theory" has made humans believe they are no more valuable than matter found in primordial soup. A worm if you will, having occurred completely by accident with no design nor designer. This belief has led to a severe decline in the idea of moral absolutism otherwise inherent in our species and has attempted to separate man from his Creator not only by millions of years, but the suggestion that he/she was not created at all. This IMHO, is a very bad thing.

I don't agree with this at all, I don't believe in a creator and I still think everyone of us is important, Secondly Biological Evolution is fact, whether you would like to admit it or not. If we came from a primordial soup or we came from something else is the part that is not known yet. Anyway that is enough about that since it is derailing the thread

Also, since most 85% of the USA considers themselves christian, I think your theory just dosen't hold water, or are you telling me that the SMALL percentage (when you factor in the rest of the religious it is around .4%) (http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/aris_index.htm)
This .4% has lead to this SEVERE DECLINE in moral absolutism?

In short mikellanes, I agree with your point, but it's not a blanket statement. Much good has come from faith as you know. I believe the difference lies in the constitution of the faithful. The difference is Optimism or Pessimism. Many believed women would not be good stewards of the right to vote. It took faith and courage for this to occur. Many believed the black man would not survive in our society and attempted to use this lack of faith to maintain a policy of inequality. Faith prevailed. Many believed we would not successfully navigate our way to the moon, but faith prevailed. Many having suffered various tragedies in their lives were not certain they could carry on, but faith prevailed. In short, it's faith that drives men to extremes and helps them overcome what many see as boundaries. Sometimes this extreme is exacted in a selfish way and begets negative outcomes. More often faith is used in a selfless way and begets great feats for humankind. Achievements otherwise believed to be impossible to attain. I believe the fruits of the faith remain with those that are optimistic.

Very good points, perhaps I am splitting hairs here, for me when I take on a project (I work in broadcast films) I don't work on what I would call faith but I do work very optimistically, because I know I have the training, the right tools, and the creativity to pull off something that will exceed what I said I would do, that is the way I work, whether filming or editing in the office. I can assure you the first few years was drastically different and I took work very different, only by the fruits of my hard work did I ever start to believe in myself and have what I guess you could call faith in myself to do a job in a way I would be proud of. Perhaps I was speaking strictly on religion in the white house... Interesting points you bring up, thanks for the discussion so far.

[ebuddy]

originally posted by mikellanes; I don't agree with this at all, I don't believe in a creator and I still think everyone of us is important,

I respect the fact that you do not believe in a Creator. I also appreciate that you still hold humans in the most high regard.

Secondly Biological Evolution is fact,

Wrong. Biological Evolution is a theory. You must not confuse well-known, widely disseminated theoretical information as fact merely because it's taught as such. Micro- evolution satisfies the scientific criteria, macro-evolution does not. It may surprise you to know that this is also referred to in the Bible; "after their kind". It is disingenuous to lump the two together, but if you insist to do so-you'd have to cast all "evolution" away as bogus. I'm not willing to do so. I know this is debateable among those in the know, but it's important to recognize a seemingly small, but extremely significant difference. One is the "combining" of genes, the other is the "diverging" of genes. Two problems with this;
1. the only examples to date of "diverging" genes are referred to as "mutations". In no case has a mutation been found to be advantageous to the species. and...
2. Observation tells us that matter does not break down and increase in complexity.

Your link suggests that my "argument fails unless some mechanism for preventing microevolution causing macroevolution is discovered."
I find it interesting that discoveries are necessary to refute "science" and not establish it, since the primary criteria of science is duplication and observation. The evidence they use to support macroevolution as stated by your link states; "every step of the process has been demonstrated in genetics and the rest of biology" and I find this to be incorrect. A compound of mutated genes was in fact created, merged, and even split or diverged. Unfortunately, the resultant "soup" was actually toxic and in fact destroyed living organisms. This is not successful test/control.

whether you would like to admit it or not. If we came from a primordial soup or we came from something else is the part that is not known yet. Anyway that is enough about that since it is derailing the thread

I'm sure you can appreciate where "admittance" is of equal importance among all differing ideals. I enjoy the discussion, but I digress. You are correct, technically this constitutes derailment. BTW; we could all tell you were referring to religion even though you tried to suggest you weren't necessarily.

Also, since most 85% of the USA considers themselves christian, I think your theory just dosen't hold water, or are you telling me that the SMALL percentage (when you factor in the rest of the religious it is around .4%) (http://www.gc.cuny.edu/studies/aris_index.htm)

Again, good point. Unfortunately this statement would leave one to believe faith is either 0% or 100%. An individual who is 100% faithful to a person, ideal, or thing will act in 100% favor to it. As humans, we are neither 0% or 100% on anything especially with regard to faith. There are differing degrees of faith and actions in accordance with it. You can claim to be Christian, as most do, but never attend church, never read a Bible, never pray, never fellowship with other Christians and in fact are as earthly as any non-Christian. There are many that claim to be Christians "just in case" there is a God. I am not this type as you may have gathered.