[IceBreaker]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...&printer=1


Cheney: Kerry Took Poll on Bin Laden Tape



By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer

LOS LUNAS, N.M. - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said Sunday that Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s first response to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s new videotape was to take a poll to find out what he should say about it.


A spokesman for Kerry's campaign did not deny polling on the bin Laden videotape, but suggested President Bush (news - web sites) has done so. Bush's campaign strategist denied asking any poll questions about the al-Qaida terrorist.

"The thing that I find amazing about it is that John Kerry's first response was to go conduct a poll," Cheney told supporters in Fort Dodge, Iowa. "He went into the field ... to find out what he should say about this tape of Osama bin Laden."

"It's as though he doesn't know what he believes until he has to go and check the polls, his finger in the air, to see which way the wind is blowing and then he'll make a decision," said the vice president, who offered no evidence to back up his claim. "George Bush (news - web sites) doesn't need a poll to know what he believes, especially about Osama bin Laden."

"I don't think that's a man who is up to the task of being commander in chief," Cheney said of Kerry.
Kerry spokesman Joe Lockhart said Cheney "should examine his own house before throwing stones." Asked whether Kerry's polls included questions about the videotape, Lockhart said, "We don't talk about our internal polls."

Matthew Dowd, the Bush campaign's strategist, denied asking about the videotape.

"We have not asked any questions related to bin Laden, this tape, or any other tape in our polling," Dowd said. "The president stands on principle and so does the campaign."

Lockhart said Cheney was referring to a Democracy Corps poll and inaccurately linked it to the Kerry campaign's private polling. Democracy Corps is a Democratic organization and not part of the Kerry campaign, though its management has worked closely with Kerry's team.

Its most recent poll asked voters about the bin Laden tape and found that more people said it made them feel like Bush had taken his "eye off the ball" in the war on terror than thought it underscored the importance of the president's approach.

A conference call with reporters on the poll included Kerry campaign staffers.

"For the Kerry campaign to say that this poll is not their own is laughable when Tad Devine and Joe Lockhart are the ones presenting the results," Cheney campaign spokeswoman Anne Womack said as the vice president arrived in New Mexico for a campaign appearance.
Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer said, "For the Bush campaign to continue making this charge when they know it's not true is laughable."

Cheney's new attack followed his comments earlier in the day that Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, had turned his back on U.S. troops to get ahead politically.

Kerry "is not a steadfast leader. Our president is," Cheney told hundreds of Republican supporters at stops in Ohio and Michigan, as he opened a nonstop leg of campaigning that will take him to Hawaii.
Cheney started the day in Toledo, Ohio, pressing one of the campaign's most consistent lines of attack on Kerry's Senate vote against $87 billion to help finance the U.S. war in Iraq (news - web sites). Bush's re-election campaign says the Massachusetts senator voted as he did because of the then-surging anti-war candidate Howard Dean (news - web sites). Kerry has rejected the accusation.

Cheney said that Kerry "in order to advance himself turned his back on the troops."

Singer responded: "John Kerry has spent the better part of his career on behalf of the military. The senator has been concerned about the consequences of giving the president a blank check and we're seeing the consequences of that in Iraq. It's a tragedy."

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[Link]

Just trying to reassure yourself that Bush is the right choice, huh?

[CreepingDeth]

The Clinton similarities are growing every day.
Hmmm…should I bomb them, send flowers, or give them candy?

Originally posted by Link:
Just trying to reassure yourself that Bush is the right choice, huh?

Go back to Hyrule. I'm sure Zelda's there to rub your feet. And maybe she'll give you another incredibly unpopular and arcane instrument.

[Saad]

Originally posted by Link:
Just trying to reassure yourself that Bush is the right choice, huh?

Kerry buys a poll, Bush kills 100,000 Iraqis. The issues are pretty clear.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by Saad:
Kerry buys a poll, Bush kills 100,000 Iraqis. The issues are pretty clear.

And he even wrote their names in blood before he personally trained the cruise missiles on the happy villages in Saddam's baathist utopia.

[Saad]

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
And he even wrote their names in blood before he personally trained the cruise missiles on the happy villages in Saddam's baathist utopia.

Iraq was an unpleasant place to live, but would more people have died in the same period under Hussein than under the provisional/interim governments? There were nations that were (and still are) embroiled in human rights disasters unknown to Iraq.

[Cody Dawg]

The Clinton similarities are growing every day.
Hmmm…should I bomb them, send flowers, or give them candy?

You forgot to say, "Should I bomb them, send flowers, give them candy, or buy them a new blue dress?"

[deedar]

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
The Clinton similarities are growing every day.

If only that were true. Clinton, a two-term president, was one of the most popular presidents we have ever had.

[Rolling Bones]

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:
And he even wrote their names in blood before he personally trained the cruise missiles on the happy villages in Saddam's baathist utopia.

You should be ashamed of yourself. The whole point was to free Iraqis not kill them.

I guess it's easy to gloat when it's not your children.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by Rolling Bones:
You should be ashamed of yourself. The whole point was to free Iraqis not kill them.

I guess it's easy to gloat when it's not your children.

The "free the Iraqis" excuse much later, remember. Everyone's seems to have forgotten weapons of mass destruction, or nukes.

[Link]

Right, first it was the whole involved with the bad guys, then it was WMDs, then it was liberating iraq...

Now, if you talk to the right blockheads, it's "protecting the US from terrorism by using Iraq as a scapegoat" lol.

[MindFad]

A majority of republicans still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 according to a poll I heard about recently. That honestly makes me sad. George has the ignorant dummy vote all wrapped up.

[Link]

Come on Mindfad, after noting all the people who are bigtime bush supporters on this forum, you're surprised?

[Millennium]

Originally posted by MindFad:
The "free the Iraqis" excuse much later, remember. Everyone's seems to have forgotten weapons of mass destruction, or nukes.

Indeed, but either way the point wasn't, and has never been, to kill Iraqis, with possibly the sole exception of Saddam Hussein himself.

[tie]

Originally posted by MindFad:
A majority of republicans still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 according to a poll I heard about recently. That honestly makes me sad. George has the ignorant dummy vote all wrapped up.

He has the "I believe everything I read on the Internet" vote locked up, definitely, at least judging from this forum. IceBreaker seems to have forgotten that Bush's first response to 9/11 was to read a children's book; his second response was to ask how it could be tied to Iraq.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Rolling Bones:
You should be ashamed of yourself. The whole point was to free Iraqis not kill them.

I guess it's easy to gloat when it's not your children.

It's clear to me no one on these pages is gloating over the deaths of innocent Iraqis.

The ONLY reason the war wasn't over in the first week of fighting is because of the restraint shown by coalition forces (including Poland). We could have reduced the country to rubble. We still could. But we didn't and we won't.

It wouldn't be fair or smart or the right thing to do. We've tried to be humane.

The ONLY reason the fighting continues is because of criminals who steal and loot and intimidate their own neighbors and fight to perpetuate the lawlessness; Saddam loyalists, who know they'll face human rights charges; radical Islamic terrorists groups from all over the world (including al Qaeda); and the idle, unemployed youth, who are paid by the above groups for every mine and bomb they plant.

They hide themselves in Holy places and heavily congested residential areas as a way to escape answering to the interim government's justice.

If it weren't for their continued insurgency, the killing could stop today.

The Viet Nam POW's said the anti-war protests (participated in by Kerry) encouraged the N. Vietnamese to keep fighting and, thus, lengthened the war.

(BTW, the Viet Nam POW's said if Nixon hadn't stayed strong in forcing the enemy to accept terms the N. Vietnamese would have had no reason to keep the POW's alive.)

The insurgents "keep the faith" because their left wing soul mates in the US and around the world encourage them to keep fighting and killing with the protests.

So, please consider the role you play in these deaths as much as the right wing laments all the actions which prolong the violence (excepting that which is necessary to get the government installed, to hold free elections, enables the Iraq government to function without our help and to protect civilian workers who are helping to rebuild Iraq).

You aren't the only ones who want the killing to end.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by deedar:
If only that were true. Clinton, a two-term president, was one of the most popular presidents we have ever had.

It's easy to be popular when the economy is booming...

It's easy to be unpopular when you are handed a recession...

[deedar]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
It's easy to be popular when the economy is booming...

It's easy to be unpopular when you are handed a recession...

Point?

[MindFad]

Originally posted by deedar:
Point?

He thinks he's making one, I believe.

Good thing Bush was never actually handed a recession, which began after (two months, was it?) he took office? And a great job he did to manage that economic downswing, giving tax cuts to the wealthy! And we're still, what, a million jobs in the hole? Trickle-down economics roxor! Four more years!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by Saad:
Bush kills 100,000 Iraqis.

WOW, Even Rambo couldn't do that in his prime.

That is a votin reason if I have seen one!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by deedar:
If only that were true. Clinton, a two-term president, was one of the most popular presidents we have ever had.

Popular for the wrong reasons. Not "Reagan" popular.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Good thing Bush was never actually handed a recession,

Correct.

He was handed a failing economy that was just about to head into a recession.

People were talking recession FAR before Bush was even voted into office.

[aberdeenwriter]

Zimphire,

I AM DELIGHTED TO SEE YOUR RETURN!

Welcome back!

[MindFad]

Originally posted by MindFad:
He thinks he's making one, I believe.

Good thing Bush was never actually handed a recession, which began after (two months, was it?) he took office? And a great job he did to manage that economic downswing, giving tax cuts to the wealthy! And we're still, what, a million jobs in the hole? Trickle-down economics roxor! Four more years!

[MindFad]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
Zimphire,

I AM DELIGHTED TO SEE YOUR RETURN!

Welcome back!

Get out the Kleenex and gimp masks, republicans—ZIMPHIRE'S BACK!

[Nicko]

Originally posted by MindFad:
Get out the Kleenex and gimp masks, republicans—ZIMPHIRE'S BACK!

Na, give the gimp to zimp, he's everyone's bitch.

[deedar]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Popular for the wrong reasons. Not "Reagan" popular.

Pffft.

[itai195]

When all else fails, break out the Clinton references.