[MacNStein]

Originally posted by swrate:
you didn't get the double entendre Macstein,



strange, i see the 9 of swords!!!!!!!!!


the blood spewed here is .... that of a Muslim killed by a Jew.
and.....
Sheikh Yassine's blood,

- there is a thread here about his murder here, MacNN-


Is exposing his blood decent, and is it allowed by the Geneva conventions?




Please explain Macstone, what it has to do with Europe and the choice to make.
The only relation i see here is MURDER, therefore some of you are suggesting EU to deal that way with Muslims without even looking at the context.



Mixing sado-mazochism with masonic rituals and holy Scriptures will do marvels to stir the crowds,

The few pics i saw of the film were beyond that.
Those pictures showed me in fact it could NOT be Muslims doing these horrors, as Muslims do not write on, nor tatoo, their body.
If you have been close to Islam, you should know this.

You (or whoever started this)are linking Islam to an unknown sect, one would have to see the film to find out what sect.

See l'Ordre du Temple Solaire, (tragedies) used religion and Scriptures too, none ever said they were Christians.



my ace cup is full


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9 of swords, boo! Ace of Cups, yay! I think I'm understanding what you're saying, but I'm not completely sure. Want to repeat that in English?

[Taliesin]

The dutch filmmaker was really an inflamming and ignorant and insulting human being. Nonetheless no individual has the right to kill him for insulting muslims and their belief. If an islamic group or individual doesn't want that an insulting film is being broadcasted there are legal ways to achieve that or by demonstrating and informing the public of the wrong and insulting comments in the film.
If no judge would punish the filmmaker for his bad deeds or if no judge is willing to prohibit the broadcasting of the anti-Islam-propaganda and if the broadcaster is still willing to braodcast it despite the massive protests and demonstrations, even then, according to the islamic religion and the Quran, no individual has the right to kill the dutch filmmaker. Instead the fate of the filmmaker has to be trusted in God's hands and the punishment by God in this life and in the beyond.

The reactions of the media and parts of the european public to the murder of that filmmaker are though as well condemnable. They have attacked and accused all Islam for the deeds of an individual or a group, and started to harm islamic institutions with terror and bombing.

Taliesin

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
The dutch filmmaker was really an inflamming and ignorant and insulting human being.

Taliesin

Yep, the sicko Muslim who shot him/stabbed him, and attached a nice little note to his chest, with some garbage text written on it was a decent human being I am sure.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by PacHead:
Yep, the sicko Muslim who shot him/stabbed him, and attached a nice little note to his chest, with some garbage text written on it was a decent human being I am sure.

Why, do you think that murdering people makes one decent? Ah, you are sarcastic.

Taliesin

[swrate]

Version said the Kaddish for Arafat.

He then tried to tell you all that I have no Jewishness in me.

A child under the age of thirteen may say the Mourner's Kaddish if he has lost one of his parents. Most religious authorities allow a daughter to say Kaddish, although she is under no religious obligation to do so. The Mourner's Kaddish is recited for eleven months from the day of the death and also on the yahrzeit (anniversary of a death). A person may say Kaddish not only for parents, but also for a child, brother, or in-law. An adopted son should say it for adoptive parents who raised him. The Rabbinical Kaddish, Half Kaddish, and Whole Kaddish may be said by a chazzan (cantor - prayer leader) who is not a mourner and has both parents living.

So unless Version is the son, brother, or in-law of Arafat, it is wrong for him to say Kaddish over Arafat.


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so much for free speech:
a lock, another double entendre, and you allow Yassine's blood to be spewed here as if he were a horse fly?
How dare you justify your support to Muslims in your sig?
BS

stein it's 10 of swords spinning in front of me now,
and two entities oh well, forget english

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by swrate:

stein it's 10 of swords spinning in front of me now,
and two entities oh well, forget english

Choose the one on the left,
but to be honest, I think you're screwed.
Reshuffle and start over.

[vmarks]

Originally posted by swrate:
so much for free speech:
a lock, another double entendre, and you allow Yassine's blood to be spewed here as if he were a horse fly?
How dare you justify your support to Muslims in your sig?
BS

stein it's 10 of swords spinning in front of me now,
and two entities oh well, forget english

That thread was locked because it violated the forum rules that you and every other member here agreed to when you joined- and I didn't do the locking, it was actually done by an administrator. I am continually amazed at how people in these forums whine for more heavy handed thread locking and administration and then complain when they get their wish.

Yassin, may his name be erased and memory forgotten, was a man who directly approved of terrorist attacks which intentionally killed innocents in large numbers. Knowing that, some Muslims who frequent these forums have told the rest of us that people who encourage and commit such acts are not acting as Muslims, or are not Muslims and sully the name of Islam. Of course, those same people mourned the death of Yassin in these forums, because after all, Yassin was the spiritual leader, telling these terrorists that it was a spiritual duty to kill schoolchildren, shoppers at the shouk, children seatbelted in the back seat of a car, and more.

The horsefly is one of G-d's creations. Perhaps it is an annoyance from time to time, like the mosquito, but it is not evil. I can't remember the last time a horsefly sanctioned using a sniper's rifle to shoot a baby in a car seat at point blank range.

[swrate]

Originally posted by vmarks:
That thread was locked because it violated the forum rules that you and every other member here agreed to when you joined- and I didn't do the locking, it was actually done by an administrator. I am continually amazed at how people in these forums whine for more heavy handed thread locking and administration and then complain when they get their wish.

Yassin, may his name be erased and memory forgotten, was a man who directly approved of terrorist attacks which intentionally killed innocents in large numbers. Knowing that, some Muslims who frequent these forums have told the rest of us that people who encourage and commit such acts are not acting as Muslims, or are not Muslims and sully the name of Islam. Of course, those same people mourned the death of Yassin in these forums, because after all, Yassin was the spiritual leader, telling these terrorists that it was a spiritual duty to kill schoolchildren, shoppers at the shouk, children seatbelted in the back seat of a car, and more.

The horsefly is one of G-d's creations. Perhaps it is an annoyance from time to time, like the mosquito, but it is not evil. I can't remember the last time a horsefly sanctioned using a sniper's rifle to shoot a baby in a car seat at point blank range.

Vmarks

The forum rules swing one side; one has the feeling it is orientated right, and i discovered with surprise it was not the case in reality, harsh voices weigh more then others, now swooning.

You know how i feel moderation is important, everyone can access the web, youngsters in particular and these need equity.

You were upset about the Jewish prayer at the wrong time, and about the distortion of Judaïsm, whereas i was disturbed by the distortion of Islam. kaifkaif

You, and all the administrators know well I never contacted them to whine or complain, i did it once on the forum, publicly, a few months ago, einmakom was involved at the time too.... and you, the issue was also moderation.



The last posts here i saw red.
Emotions and understanding can be exchanged with intensity, brief moments between totally different people, karma connections, that is why i never use ignore options.

I feel that awful pic should be removed, it's breaking rules, worse imo as doing certain rituals at the wrong moment.

Question of values.

i often become nervous reading your posts----

one thing about Yassine, -may his memory not be erased-, Yassine was thrown out of his village like many others in 1948, tetraplegic since age 12, he was moved away from the sea, as well as hundreds of fishermen families....


Sheik Yassine believed in Palestinia, whereas you are formal, "ma fish Filistinia" as your sig once said.

In a few sentences you link together Sheik Yassine with that film when, i repeat Sheik Yassine would have disapproved those horrific rituals.

in 48 many Jews opposed the idea of creating Israel in the M-E!
The Palestinians are trapped in a terrible logic, your opinion about Sheik Yassine is yours, personally i feel the absolute same way for Sharon, -as you say-, Yassine was a spiritual leader, but Sharon is worse, he is a military leader, killing and justifying his murders with terrorism.We discussed this topic before, so it's rather vain to start all over again, after a complete lack of understanding, a few valued posters have left.



Anyway, I wonder where you read a transcript about: Sheik Yassine "telling these terrorists that it was a spiritual duty to kill schoolchildren, shoppers at the shouk, children seatbelted in the back seat of a car, and more "
It is your responsability as a moderator to give the sources of your claims. (yassine's transcript please), and, if you have any moral values you will remove the horse fly pic from here, or at least post it in the Sheik Yassine thread, where it belongs.



I don't like terrorism, violence, war, blood, but when an invader gnaws your Land, and ties your hands you have to expect the people to retaliate any other way....

Israel/Palestinia should both together concentrate on the River Jordan drying out instead.






i see your reaction as cruel




the last part of your post is a stonemark.


cheers.
icy

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by CreepingDeth:

Winner.

BTW Pac, see you've been getting some fanboys of your own.

[tie]

Originally posted by moki:
However I believe it's quite true that the battleground between militant, extremist Islam will be in Europe, not in the USA. It'll be interesting -- and extremely important -- how this all pans out.
...
The difference is that the KKK didn't (or couldn't) kill people in other countries, and we dealt with them ourselves. The same is not true of radical Islam; or at the very least, not enough is being done to combat it by Islamic countries and people.

What's the connection between Islam in the Middle East and Islam in Europe? Is radicalism in Europe supported or financed by Saudi Arabia? Is the backlash in Europe disproportionate, because people mistakenly fear ties to the Middle East?

If Europe thinks immigrant populations are growing too fast to assimilate, it should further restrict immigration and slow things down. I suspect people are overreacting, as that seems to be the historical tendency (immigrants have never integrated as fast as people would like).

[aberdeenwriter]

bump

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by tie:
I suspect people are overreacting, as that seems to be the historical tendency (immigrants have never integrated as fast as people would like).

I agree completely. Immigrants in the first and second generations and maybe even in the third generation are sometimes a problem and sometimes don't integrate or even don't want to integrate, due to several reasons. One being the hostility and expressed and hidden hate and disgust for other cultures, the other being that some immigrants don't like the new culture around them and don't want to integrate into it.

But regardless over the time, the children of the first generation will be a bit better integrated and at the same time the culture of the natives will change slightly to include some aspects of the new cultures, and the children of those children will be a bit better integrated and the native culture will have changed a bit more... At the end it will work naturally, but it takes time and patience.

Taliesin

[swrate]

yes, time and patience, saber


Here Muslims integrate fast,
Refugees from Kosovo.... we have between 3 and 5 students out of ~21, in urban classes, this ever since the split of Yougoslavia

The events happening show what sort of radical polemics this film brought.

Has anyone seen this dutch film?
i have a good idea it was radical too.
a half naked woman leather straped, tatooed with verses? and sado-mazoed around sounds more like rituals of a sect to me.

i doubt small radical organisations depend directly on the quaida, or on the saudis, it's local support, inflamed by these sort of films.
then people may retaliate and organize better to prepare the next aggression.
The snake biting it's tail.

I don’t see the association, Christians = guantanamo (human pyramid) true Christians condemn sadistic actions, true Muslims too.



Stirred, the pic (creepingdeath?) was breaking the Geneva Conventions,
Geneva conventions, yes,
Breaking the Geneva conventions on the MacNN forum,

My right to free speech.


edited: i see the pics have swooned, but maybe its the web, or my laptop's interpretation,
if it is a mod who took them down, thank you.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Winner.

BTW Pac, see you've been getting some fanboys of your own.

Yeah, I liken them to flies. Now where is my fly swatter ?

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Logic:
No. Because Israel doesn't represent Judaism.

This place has gotten so infested with Islamophobia, racism, xenophobia and disgusting people that I cannot reach any other conclusion that the US right is filled with Neo Nazis. The same ignorant, inbred kind of people I spent most of my time in Sweden fighting. I was fighting people like moki, Pachead, dcolton, et al side by side with Jews, Arabs, South Americans and people from outside of Europe.

That the macnn staff then allowed the racist pig vmarks to become a moderator has given people like those I mentioned above a green light to continue their racist attacks on 1/4th of the human race and have allowed them to spew their hateful speech on this forum.


This will be my last post here since I have no will to continue to generate revenue for macnn and I have no interest in talking to people like them. But this will not be the last time you xenophobic neo nazis will hear from me.

Good bye.

LMAO. Sorry I missed this one. Did Logic really leave with a black heart of hate with a veiled threat at the end? What are you going to do Logic, call me? Or are you planning a terror attack?

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by dcolton:
LMAO. Sorry I missed this one. Did Logic really leave with a black heart of hate with a veiled threat at the end? What are you going to do Logic, call me? Or are you planning a terror attack?

A question others have asked themselves, as well.

If you are worried about it, consider it an act of intimidation. A low level terror attack, if you will.

[Twilly Spree]

I hereby declare all those intimidated by terrorism pussies.