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"The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over..."
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The earth went through an ice age a few thousand years ago. Climate change is nothing new.
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Where does one find these "rational people" you speak of? 
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Why is there always money for war, but none for education?
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Originally posted by KarlG:
Where does one find these "rational people" you speak of?
They can be identified by their political agendas, of course.
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Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
Topic: "The debate over whether or not there is a global warming signal is now over..."
I don't think that's quite the right way to frame it. I don't think there's been disagreement even from the most conservative sources for quite some time that climate change is occurring. The disagreement from them has been about whether that climate change is caused by human activities. The important point of your article is that there's no debate even about whether it's human-caused any more.
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World population, 1700: 600 million.
World population, 1800: 900 million.
World population, 1900: 1.6 billion.
World population, 2000: 6.3 billion.
Projected World population, 2030: 9 billion +.
Solution:
Terminate all Windows users, Democrats and Britney Spears fans.
Back to the real World, it's a bit of a mess isn't it? Do you supply those cheap drugs to Africa to save people's lives even though doing so will accelerate your global warming problem? Do you allow free trade borders to all and sundry even though those free trade borders will mean more of the World's population will contribute to the warming problem?
Oh. And might as well put in my usual reply to such matters: if you're not vegetarian, stop your whining.
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If it doesn't scare hippies, it's not worth listening to
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Originally posted by BRussell:
I don't think that's quite the right way to frame it. I don't think there's been disagreement even from the most conservative sources for quite some time that climate change is occurring. The disagreement from them has been about whether that climate change is caused by human activities. The important point of your article is that there's no debate even about whether it's human-caused any more.
Yeah I was just being abrasive by using the most incendiary quote from the article. It's MacNN, after all. 
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Originally posted by chabig:
The earth went through an ice age a few thousand years ago. Climate change is nothing new.
No its not, but the worry is about the RUN AWAY EFFECT from the CO we are introducing into the air. When it hits Critical the warming wont stop and continue until we cant live here any more. Thats the issue about climit change.
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Brian says (9:16 AM): I was looking at houses in Ottawa... I actually have a temptation in me to move
Jeff ******* says (9:19 AM): Eww, Ottawa is gross. It's infested with politicians, and presently, 1 Harper as well.
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Winter in the Midwest, outside with aerosol can-button fully depressed...BRING IT ON!!!
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Originally posted by ebuddy:
Winter in the Midwest, outside with aerosol can-button fully depressed...BRING IT ON!!!
Enjoy starving to death when the Midwest climate no longer supports food crops. 
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"I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until you cheer up."
MacBook Pro 15"/2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo/4 GB DDR2 SDRAM/200 GB Hitachi HD/8x SuperDrive/Mac OS X 10.6.1
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Mmmm... FYI, there's already a long thread about this in the lounge.
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
World population, 1700: 600 million.
World population, 1800: 900 million.
World population, 1900: 1.6 billion.
World population, 2000: 6.3 billion.
Projected World population, 2030: 9 billion +.
Solution:
Terminate all Windows users, Democrats and Britney Spears fans.
Republicans on birth control and beneficial environmental policy? Six kids per family, SUVs, and "unlimited" resources... yeah, you guys are out to save the world.
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"…I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts
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Originally posted by malvolio:
Enjoy starving to death when the Midwest climate no longer supports food crops.
No, the United States will invade Mexico and and down through South America searching for more WMDs. Then we'll liberate them by showing them how to utilize monoculture and herding cattle. A few McDonald's... hey, we're set to go.
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"…I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts
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neat stuff,
I particularly like the Times of India story where we may have stopped a impending ice age by mankind's actions.
from that article:
EDINBURGH: Humans may have unwittingly saved themselves from a looming ice age by indiscriminately burning fossil fuels and interfering with the earth's climate, says a new study.
The findings by a team of US climate experts suggest that were it not for greenhouse gases produced by humans, the world might well have been on its way to a frozen Armageddon, reported Scotsman.
The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago and scientists have traditionally viewed the relative stability of the earth's climate since then as being due to natural causes.
But new evidence suggests that changes in solar radiation should have driven the earth towards glacial conditions during the last few thousand years.
What stopped it has been human activity, both ancient and modern, the team of scientists has argued.
According to them, carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere over the last 8,000 years have gradually risen, when previous trends indicated it should have actually dropped. Methane, another greenhouse gas, too has increased instead of falling. These unexpected trends, scientists said, were due to massive early deforestation in Eurasia, rice farming in Asia, introduction of livestock and burning of wood and plant material, all of which led to an outpouring of greenhouse emissions.
The research, led by William Ruddiman from the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, used a climate model to test what would happen if these greenhouse gases were reduced to their "natural" level.
According to the findings published by them in the Quaternary Science Reviews journal, Ruddiman said, without the human contribution to global warming, Baffin Island would today be in a condition of "incipient glaciation".
Benny Peiser, from Liverpool's John Moores University, said: "Instead of driving us to the brink of disaster, human intervention will be seen as vital activities that have unintentionally delayed the onset of a catastrophic ice age."
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As a conservative and Republican and an American citizen, I feel it is the duty of our proud nation to pre-emptively attack the looming global warming. 
It has great precidence in our proud party. We are conservatives, not just culturally and fiscally but also environmentally.
Go GOP!
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I say we give more money to the shareholders.
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When the heck is this warming going to really kick in?
I've been anxiously waiting for over a decade now, and I've done all I can to help make my climate (New Jersey) more pleasurable in the winter, including running my SUV in the driveway for days at a time, constant operation of my coal-burning stove (even in the summers), and daily aerosol usage. I even have 3 cows in my backyard farting consistently.
10 years of this stuff is enough. I guess I'll just move to a warmer climate.
Anyone want to buy some cows?
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Originally posted by spacefreak:
When the heck is this warming going to really kick in?
I've been anxiously waiting for over a decade now, and I've done all I can to help make my climate (New Jersey) more pleasurable in the winter, including running my SUV in the driveway for days at a time, constant operation of my coal-burning stove (even in the summers), and daily aerosol usage. I even have 3 cows in my backyard farting consistently.
10 years of this stuff is enough. I guess I'll just move to a warmer climate.
Anyone want to buy some cows?
How much for the cows? Would you sell half of one?
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Originally posted by Sherwin:
Solution:
Terminate all Windows users, Democrats and Britney Spears fans.
So no google or steve jobs?
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Originally posted by dialo:
So no google
I'm sure we'd be able to find other portal-page-happy search engines somewhere.
Originally posted by dialo:
or steve jobs?
Steve Jobs is a Britney fan?
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