[Athens]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Like the rest of us.

[roberto blanco]

[ebuddy]

Originally posted by Athens:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html
Like the rest of us.

Seeing as he's already been known for having used cocaine, I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that he also hit the Huka.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Athens:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Like the rest of us.

He's certainly not like the rest of us. Maybe the pot heads, but not those of us who know the dangers of drugs.

Remember, he quit drugs and devoted his life to God. An example worthy of emulating. Maybe you guys should pay attention.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
He's certainly not like the rest of us. Maybe the pot heads, but not those of us who know the dangers of drugs.

Remember, he quit drugs and devoted his life to God. An example worthy of emulating. Maybe you guys should pay attention.

I'd much prefer a president who devoted his life to the American people.

[sideus]

Originally posted by Athens:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

Like the rest of us.

Not like me.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Scientist:
I'd much prefer a president who devoted his life to the American people.

Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

You beat me to it.

[malvolio]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Remember, he quit drugs and devoted his life to God.

So he switched delusions. So what?

[itistoday]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

Hahahaha! Yes yes indeed. Go tell that to our dear friend Osama, or the Inquisitors of Spain, or the great Crusaders of the Crusades, or...

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by itistoday:
Hahahaha! Yes yes indeed. Go tell that to our dear friend Osama, or the Inquisitors of Spain, or the great Crusaders of the Crusades, or...

None of which are examples of Christianity or "Godliness". If you understood that, you wouldn't make that comment. However, you're just spewing venom to score points, so I wouldn't expect you to try.

[itistoday]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
None of which are examples of Christianity or "Godliness". If you understood that, you wouldn't make that comment. However, you're just spewing venom to score points, so I wouldn't expect you to try.

You're so missing the point

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by itistoday:
You're so missing the point

No, no I'm not.

[itistoday]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, no I'm not.

Ok then. As long as we have that settled.

[MaxPower]

A president that is doing more than just paying lip service to Christianity would do something to better places like Sudan. Or how about our own poverty stricken areas around the country. Have a look at the cuts in education spending and social services. What a great christian.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

I understand. For most people devotion to God is not the same as devotion to people. There are many different versions of God floating around in the minds of people out there, and few of them are quite as benevolent as you says yours is. But you already know all this.

[macintologist]

The righteous care about justice for the poor. The wicked have no such concern.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by itistoday:
Hahahaha! Yes yes indeed. Go tell that to our dear friend Osama, or the Inquisitors of Spain, or the great Crusaders of the Crusades, or...

Considering how timely those examples are

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

Ah yeah.

Like some terrorists, right?

Looks like the barrier is rather thin between that Good and Evil stuff.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Considering how timely those examples are

Yeah, no such extremists these days--at least not in a civilized, educated country like ours.

BOT:

Its fascinating that Bush's conversion corresponds identically with his public/political career.

It might also be pointed out that despite his conversion, he was still a very shady business man (and some might argue still is).

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by SimpleLife:
Ah yeah.

Like some terrorists, right?

Looks like the barrier is rather thin between that Good and Evil stuff.

No. You simply want to see it that way.

[Busemann]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
None of which are examples of Christianity or "Godliness".

The crusaders were not Christians?

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Busemann:
The crusaders were not Christians?

No, they weren't.

[mikellanes]

Originally posted by malvolio:
So he switched delusions.

Haha! he just switched to one more socially acceptable, but still ingesting crap

[Busemann]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, they weren't.

Yes they were. Look it up in the encyclopedia!

Crusades, series of wars by Western European Christians to recapture the Holy Land from the Muslims

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Busemann:
Yes they were. Look it up in the encyclopedia!

No, they weren't. People can claim to be whatever they like, that doesn't mean they actually are. A person can be Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc. without actually being Christian.

Think about that.

[Busemann]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, they weren't. People can claim to be whatever they like, that doesn't mean they actually are. A person can be Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc. without actually being Christian.

[thunderous_funker]

The typical response to any charge of horrors committed in the name of christianity: but they weren't really christian.

If we are to accept that argument, it can only mean that christianity in and of itself is useless in producing quality persons who conduct themselves ethically and morally. Whether or not to be a good person would come from the individual themselves regardless of whether or not they considered themselves christian.

And by the same token, would also imply that people who are not christian could also be capable of being the kind of individual who leads a good life regardless of religious affiliation (or lack thereof).

[Dimethyltrypt]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
He's certainly not like the rest of us. Maybe the pot heads, but not those of us who know the dangers of drugs.

Remember, he quit drugs and devoted his life to God. An example worthy of emulating. Maybe you guys should pay attention.

your opinion on drugs is so educated. you totally rock.
you right wing christian fundamentalists tend to simplify everything in an excessive manner. people are bad or good, drugs are bad. the vilains, the evildoers. blaCK & white, etc.
I think GM made you snort too much paint thinner in that car factory.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
The typical response to any charge of horrors committed in the name of christianity: but they weren't really christian.

If we are to accept that argument, it can only mean that christianity in and of itself is useless in producing quality persons who conduct themselves ethically and morally. Whether or not to be a good person would come from the individual themselves regardless of whether or not they considered themselves christian.

So, according to your (warped) logic, if some Roman Catholics are bad, they must all be bad? Glad to see you're judging an entire faith (Christianity) based on a relatively small number of hateful fools.

As for whether they're truly Christian, no, they aren't. There's no way a person could follow the Nicene or Apostle's Creed and commit such acts.

And by the same token, would also imply that people who are not christian could also be capable of being the kind of individual who leads a good life regardless of religious affiliation (or lack thereof).

Sorry, your "logic" is really giving me fits, again. I've never said that non-religious people are incapable of "leading a good life". What an odd thing to say.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by Dimethyltrypt:
your opinion on drugs is so educated. you totally rock.
you right wing christian fundamentalists tend to simplify everything in an excessive manner. people are bad or good, drugs are bad. the vilains, the evildoers. blaCK & white, etc.
I think GM made you snort too much paint thinner in that car factory.

Kinda like how you're simplifying the subject and lumping them all as "right wing christian fundamentalists"?

Pot - kettle

[Scientist]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No, they weren't. People can claim to be whatever they like, that doesn't mean they actually are. A person can be Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, etc. without actually being Christian.

Think about that.

Nice. You are defining your problems away. It seems very counterproductive to define Christianity so differently from the rest of us. Why don't you look up (or coin) another word to describe your ideal Christian instead of hijacking ours?

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Dimethyltrypt:
your opinion on drugs is so educated. you totally rock.
you right wing christian fundamentalists tend to simplify everything in an excessive manner. people are bad or good, drugs are bad. the vilains, the evildoers. blaCK & white, etc.
I think GM made you snort too much paint thinner in that car factory.

I don't work in a "car factory" silly. Your ignorance is still quite solid I see.

I am completely ignorant to the effects of drug on myself. I've seen and read extensively on the effects of drugs on others though. It is quite depressing.

People aren't good or bad. Many shades of gray.

Welcome back ambush. You seem more unstable than ever. Proletarian.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Scientist:
Nice. You are defining your problems away. It seems very counterproductive to define Christianity so differently from the rest of us. Why don't you look up (or coin) another word to describe your ideal Christian instead of hijacking ours?

HUH?!?

[Dimethyltrypt]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
I don't work in a "car factory" silly. Your ignorance is still quite solid I see.

I am completely ignorant to the effects of drug on myself. I've seen and read extensively on the effects of drugs on others though. It is quite depressing.

I like a good advil when that headache rages on. You seem to enjoy some good ol' ethyl alcohol once in a while too. How about some morphine for them poor dying soldiers? I like a good anasthesic when I go at the hospital to get that part of my body fixed. Some people like the effects of their stereotonin reuptake inhibitors too. The indian shamas like the dimethyltryptamine that some of their plants contain. It helps them communicate with their gods. Some people like dream enhancing herbs. I like a couple of good bowls once in a while. I like some second plateau DXM dose to enter those cool colored worlds. It's pure fun.

BTW, bible writers were probably pot smokers
You sure could use some too.

Proletarian.

Beep. You are the proletarian working your butt off for a multinational's shareholders. So they can have them whores when they want them. So they can buy THAT SUV that will pollute our earth even more. So they can bribe the politicians. So they can have that big mansion and waste food, water, etc. So they can live in luxury while people are starving to death in their own goddamn country. YOU LOSE. You chose to close your eyes. You lost.
You work for them. You're their blind slave. They made you so numb and uneducated. They control you. THey have you in the palm of their dirty hands. THye closed your eyelids. Nothing can open them now. WORK HARDER NOW. HARDER BETTER FASTER AND FOR CHEAPER. OR THEY WILL CHOOSE INDIANS TO REPLACE YOUR FAT AMERICAN ASS.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

Devoting one's life to the Christian god is devoting one's life to the American people? Which verse is that in?

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Scientist:
Nice. You are defining your problems away. It seems very counterproductive to define Christianity so differently from the rest of us. Why don't you look up (or coin) another word to describe your ideal Christian instead of hijacking ours?

No, he's right. One who commits acts that go against Christian teachings is no more Christian than Osama Bin Laden is Muslim

[demograph68]

What's the big deal with pot? I'm not shocked.

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No. You simply want to see it that way.

And how do you see it?

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Dimethyltrypt:
I like a good advil when that headache ...
***SNIP OF AN INSANE PEERSON'S RAMBLINGS***
...HARDER BETTER FASTER AND FOR CHEAPER. OR THEY WILL CHOOSE INDIANS TO REPLACE YOUR FAT AMERICAN ASS.

Wow, you are losing it dude.

Maybe you should get some prescriptions drugs instead os the illegal kind.

You have such ignorance with your big words.

And Indians?!?! You are now sounding racist as well.

Didn't your last attept here rattle on about how MacNN was making you crazy?

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Devoting one's life to the Christian god is devoting one's life to the American people? Which verse is that in?

Why are you misquoting him?!?!

He said "people". Not American people.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Why are you misquoting him?!?!

He said "people". Not American people.

I'm well aware of what he said, but read the post he was responding to:

Originally posted by Scientist:
I'd much prefer a president who devoted his life to the American people.

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

[Scientist]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
No, he's right. One who commits acts that go against Christian teachings is no more Christian than Osama Bin Laden is Muslim

Religions, like every other cultural phenomenon, change with time. What it means to be Christian has changed too. I see no problem with calling religions that have their roots in early Christianity, Christian. Perhaps "Jesusian" would be a better name for those who follow the teachings of Jesus the way MacNStein advocates since the label "Christian" has been used for different purposes for hundreds of years.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
I'm well aware of what he said, but read the post he was responding to:

You still misquoted him and it's only appropriate for you to admit that mistake or retract it.

[Athens]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
He's certainly not like the rest of us. Maybe the pot heads, but not those of us who know the dangers of drugs.

Remember, he quit drugs and devoted his life to God. An example worthy of emulating. Maybe you guys should pay attention.

He didnt devote his life to god, hes playing on god and religion for Votes.

[Athens]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You still misquoted him and it's only appropriate for you to admit that mistake or retract it.

Thats rich coming from you, you misquote me all the time. YOu never once admited to that mistake or retracted it, how can you expect others to.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You still misquoted him and it's only appropriate for you to admit that mistake or retract it.

If I misquoted him, then he misquoted Scientist. Tell you what, I'll retract my post if MacNStein retracts his response to Scientist from the following exchange:

Originally posted by Scientist:
I'd much prefer a president who devoted his life to the American people.

Originally posted by MacNStein:
Suit yourself. *shrug* But, if you understood such things, you'd know that to devote your life to God IS devoting your life to people. One covers the other.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
If I misquoted him, then he misquoted Scientist. Tell you what, I'll retract my post if MacNStein retracts his response to Scientist from the following exchange:

No, when he was replying to Scientist he was saying that by devoting his life to God he was devoting his life to people and that includes the American people. It's actually greater than what Scientist was saying. He was clarifying it for Scientist.

You just directly misquoted him. You are the one at fault.

[MacNStein]

Originally posted by SimpleLife:
And how do you see it?

Apparently the opposite of you.

[Kilbey]

Originally posted by Athens:
Thats rich coming from you, you misquote me all the time. YOu never once admited to that mistake or retracted it, how can you expect others to.

Show me once where I did that. I won't go on the defensive for this.

False accusations are not beneath you obviously.