[macintologist]

http://www.worldwater.org/conflict.htm

Opinions?

[dcolton]

Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.

[Athens]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.

thats crap

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.

There is nothing like a glass of cool water to soothe the fever.

Want one?

[Athens]

ya 500.00 US a glass, you can place your order with me. Im loving this WATER power ROFL.

[bubblewrap]

Glacier mining IS going to be the nex big thing.
Polarcaps are the only source of water for an exponentially exploding world population.

The water for oil program?

[Athens]

Originally posted by bubblewrap:
Glacier mining IS going to be the nex big thing.
Polarcaps are the only source of water for an exponentially exploding world population.

The water for oil program?

Wont come from Canada, the Feds debated water as a resource in the 80's and decided that it was something that shouldnt be sold as a resource.

[bubblewrap]

Then who will pay the cost? UN dues?
People don't work for free very long.

[Nicko]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.

Well, you're an idiot, but everyone knows that. Most of the world doesn't have access to clean water.

[Dimethyltrypt]

Sweet. Québec is like one of the biggest water reserve on earth.

own4g3 time.

[dreilly1]

It shouldn't suprise people that access to water has been a factor in politics and military endeavors over the years -- although water is an abundant resource in the world as a whole, it is scarce in a large part of it. And since it is necessary for all life on this planet, control of the water resources in those areas where it is scarce is literally a matter of life and death.

Water also does not respect international boundaries. I remember a few years ago there was a kerfuffle (which I didn't see in the linked list, although I didn't look through it very carefully) where some US states allowed water to be taken from the Great Lakes (where it is abundant) and shipped down to the Southwest (where it is scarce, and therefore more expensive, making the entire endeavor profitable, which is the American Way™. ). Of course, the Canadians had a bit of a problem with this, to which the U.S. replied something along the lines of "we're not taking water out of your side of the lake, what's the problem?" After the absurdity of this was pointed out, though, I believe the practice was stopped.

Water is a renewable resource, which makes it generally less of a problem than oil, but it does have to be carefully managed to sustain a given population. So water will always play a role in politics.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by Athens:
thats crap

That's ironic. Victoria, BC dumps raw, untreated sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, affecting Washington state.
http://www.sierralegal.org/media_art...a04_09_21.html
http://www.safewater.org/PublicEduca...s/meissner.htm
and
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connel...55_joel10.html

[Athens]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
That's ironic. Victoria, BC dumps raw, untreated sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca, affecting Washington state.
http://www.sierralegal.org/media_art...a04_09_21.html
http://www.safewater.org/PublicEduca...s/meissner.htm
and
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/connel...55_joel10.html

And you guys build your power plants right up against our border to send your air pollution NORTH

http://planet.wwu.edu/newsite/spring04/airshare.htm

Oh and perhaps you should look at home grown problems with sewage
http://amr.convio.net/site/PageServe...name=AMR_wiftk

Victoria is a small town and they are building a new plant to fix that since its the only, repeat only Canadian city that dosent have a treatment plant.

And what did any of this have to do with this topic, im guessing you are just gunning to get some Anti Canadian flaming going.

[placebo1969]

Just seems to me that some Canadians have a superiority complex when it comes to the environment when they have problems as well. Nothing more, nothing less.

No Anti-Canadian sentiment here. I live in Bellingham a few KM south of the border, of course.

[el chupacabra]

everything will be fine. Just get a britta.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by el chupacabra:
everything will be fine. Just get a britta.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Nicko:
Well, you're an idiot, but everyone knows that. Most of the world doesn't have access to clean water.

MOST of the world?

(I'll just ignore your personal insult).

[Athens]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Just seems to me that some Canadians have a superiority complex when it comes to the environment when they have problems as well. Nothing more, nothing less.

No Anti-Canadian sentiment here. I live in Bellingham a few KM south of the border, of course.

again where does this fit-in on this thread. You get our ocean pollution, I get your air pollution whats the point?

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by Athens:
again where does this fit-in on this thread. You get our ocean pollution, I get your air pollution whats the point?

I was referring to this:
quote:
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.
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thats crap

Okay, so my coding sucks. Anyway, your response of "thats crap" struck my irony nerve.

[Athens]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
I was referring to this:
quote:
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Point? The only people I ever hear clamoring about fresh water are the Canadians as they fevershly try to jockey into a position of sigfnificance within the world.
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thats crap

Okay, so my coding sucks. Anyway, your response of "thats crap" struck my irony nerve.

It sure did I said it was crap because Canada isnt using Water as a means to get a higher position on the world stage for power. its like saying Canada spending 5 billion on its military to become a super power, again something silly.

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Athens:
It sure did I said it was crap because Canada isnt using Water as a means to get a higher position on the world stage for power. its like saying Canada spending 5 billion on its military to become a super power, again something silly.

Canada is like a transvestite 12 year old trying to find itself. She/ he / it will do anything to see what gains international attention.

[Athens]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Canada is like a transvestite 12 year old trying to find itself. She/ he / it will do anything to see what gains international attention.

Backup your claim or stfu

[dcolton]

Originally posted by Athens:
Backup your claim or stfu

Let's see.

Canadians spend their time insulting Americans and our leaders

Canadian leaders stomp on Bush dolls

The Canadian navy (ROFLMAO) tries to enforce their will on US fisherman.

Canadians wanted to erect a memorial in honor of coward draft dodgers.

Canadians threatended to have US officials arrested because of a righteous war

Canadians cvan only make front page news if they look their gift horse in the mouth...

need more?

[Athens]

Originally posted by dcolton:
Let's see.

Canadians spend their time insulting Americans and our leaders

Canadian leaders stomp on Bush dolls

The Canadian navy (ROFLMAO) tries to enforce their will on US fisherman.

Canadians wanted to erect a memorial in honor of coward draft dodgers.

Canadians threatended to have US officials arrested because of a righteous war

Canadians cvan only make front page news if they look their gift horse in the mouth...

need more?

Americans spend their time insulting Canadians

Canadian leaders stomp on Bush dolls / She wasn’t a leader and it was for a show that makes fun of every one including Canadians.

The Canadian navy (ROFLMAO) tries to enforce their will on US fisherman. -- In our waters as would your navy does with Canadian fishermen.

Canadians wanted to erect a memorial in honor of coward draft dodgers. - Actually the original idea came from a Draft Dodger, the town took it into consideration and voted no.

Canadians threatened to have US officials arrested because of a righteous war - Actually that group is a US based organization. They just tried to us Canadian Law and courts to get what they wanted. Might want to look closer to home to see who really started that.

Canadians cvan only make front page news if they look their gift horse in the mouth... - True Yankee

need more? Nope you proved your case very well, you’re a very insecure American who has nothing better to do except start Canada/USA bashing posts and create general flame wars that don’t need to exist. Very good, you have achieved your goal and made yourself look stupid doing it.

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Just seems to me that some Canadians have a superiority complex when it comes to the environment when they have problems as well. Nothing more, nothing less.

How so? Canadians suffer from patriotism just like any citizens of any country.

But we do have environmental problems; I agree.

No Anti-Canadian sentiment here. I live in Bellingham a few KM south of the border, of course.

No offense taken.

[placebo1969]

Originally posted by SimpleLife:
How so? Canadians suffer from patriotism just like any citizens of any country.

But we do have environmental problems; I agree.



No offense taken.

Cool. Thanks for the response. Do you live in BC?

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by placebo1969:
Cool. Thanks for the response. Do you live in BC?

Nope. Although I lived there 14 years ago.

I now live in Montreal and the pollution of the St-Lawrence river is quite an issue. I also worked in environment (Summer jobs) and it is clear that pollution in the drinkable waters of Quebec is a concern: not so much to create a panic or necessitate purification systems everywhere, but enough for an eyebrowse.

Sources of pollution in Canadian waters vary; USSR has been a culprit for a long time (toxics travelling over the North pole and rainning down on the lakes of Northern Quebec for instance).

But other unexpected pollutants were also discovered from natural processes: the lead discovered in First Nations strands of hair were apparently from the conifers being submerged by the flooding from Hydro Projects. The reaction lead to a degradation of the vegetal matter releasing lead in the ecosystem. This was important enough that new developments in the area of James Bay (East shore) required that all vegetation susceptible to be submerged had to be cut down and burned. They even removed the topsoil (around 10 centimeters deep) and carried it on "future" dry land.

[macintologist]

I want to make a documentary about this, how water will become the next oil. The documentary will support this thesis using population projections, and other things. It will be in the style of Michael Moore, but of course without the factual distortions and partisan attacks. You have to admit he makes great documentaries.

Edit: Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4337341.stm

Many analysts predict that scarce water resources will be one of core factors at the heart of conflict in the region.

See what I mean? I'm right. This will be big. Give it 20 years or so, maybe less. Maybe more.

[SimpleLife]

Originally posted by macintologist:
I want to make a documentary about this, how water will become the next oil. The documentary will support this thesis using population projections, and other things. It will be in the style of Michael Moore, but of course without the factual distortions and partisan attacks. You have to admit he makes great documentaries.

Edit: Check this out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4337341.stm

See what I mean? I'm right. This will be big. Give it 20 years or so, maybe less. Maybe more.

It started a while ago already:

A WAR OVER WATER

I've decided that the term "tear gas" doesn't quite capture the real experience involved. Even from close to a block away the white smoke pouring from the canister causes severe burning to your eyes and throat and immediately empties your nose of whatever snot you've accumulated for months. At ground zero the gas makes you vomit and nearly lose consciousness. Sometimes the canister projectiles hit people and split their heads open. Fortunately, this morning I found myself suffering from just the burning eyes and running nose class of symptoms. This morning tear gas was the Bolivian government's official response to a huge popular revolt here, over something very basic: water. At this writing, local news stations report one person dead (from a tear gas canister to the head) and at least thirty five hospitalized.

WHEN WATER BECOMES A VEHICLE FOR PROFIT

In recent years "privatization" has become an economic theology in Latin America, driven by a set of commandments written by the U.S., and the U.S.-dominated lenders, the Wold Bank and International Monetary Fund. The commandments are simple. Thou shalt sell your public enterprises to private corporations and investors, almost always from abroad. Thou shalt allow those new owners to do what they will with prices, wages and products. In exchange, supposedly, those businesses will receive a fresh transfusion of foreign capital (and the IMF and World Bank won't cut off your international loans). Bolivia's most recent governments have been very obedient to these foreign commandments, selling off everything from the national airline to the electricity system.

But then there was water. Last year the Bolivian government sold off Cochabamba's public water system to a pool of British-led investors who promised to pour millions of new dollars into expansion and improvement. Last month the owners raised up their new signs ("Aguas de Tunari") on all their facilities and also raised up something else: water prices, in many cases by more than double. Our own water bill, for example, leapt from $12 per month in December to nearly $30 in January. Similar increases hit almost everyone we know. By U.S. standards that may not be much, but for the many Bolivian families who often earn as little as $100 per month, these increases were catastrophic. Cochabambinos, who had paid scant attention to the deal when it was being worked out behind closed doors, were sent into shock and into action.

In mid-January a four day "paro civico" (general strike) over the water price hikes left the city at a total standstill - no cars, no buses, no air flights or bus transport in or out of the city. It was the kind of action that can only happen with broad popular support and it culminated in a mass march to the city's central plaza as thousands of angry water users, urban and rural, gathered and chanted just outside the windows of the government offices where protest leaders and officials were negotiating. Some of those in the talks were reportedly worried that the crowd might break down the door if they didn't emerge with some acceptable agreement. In the end what they agreed to was time, to talk more.

[bubblewrap]

This is why I have a deep well.
And live in the country.
I want nothing to do with the problems of the city.

[Mastrap]

Thankfully the human population of the planet should peak in 2070 and then gradually shrink again. Which is a good thing for all concerned. |