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But why didn't he admit this two days ago, when he should have?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Sep 13, 2005, 01:06 PM
 
now that his popularity sinked to 38%, his advisors told him to take the blame.

     
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Sep 13, 2005, 01:11 PM
 
Where are the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA now ?

It's their turn to eat some crow.
     
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:07 PM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead
But why didn't he admit this two days ago, when he should have?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Maybe because he had to fire the head of FEMA and find a replacement? It is NEVER a good idea to publicly chastise someone who works for you, even if they have proven to be incompetent or incapable. You can let them go and find a replacement. After that, you can say that the replaced person's job wasn't done correctly and you aren't "airing dirty laundry." Two days doesn't make a hill of beans' difference. He said the federal governmeng goobered up and took responsibility for it-this is a real change in attitude for Mr. Bush's administration.

Now if he'd just fire Karl Rove...
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:30 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter
Maybe because he had to fire the head of FEMA and find a replacement? It is NEVER a good idea to publicly chastise someone who works for you, even if they have proven to be incompetent or incapable. You can let them go and find a replacement. After that, you can say that the replaced person's job wasn't done correctly and you aren't "airing dirty laundry." Two days doesn't make a hill of beans' difference. He said the federal governmeng goobered up and took responsibility for it-this is a real change in attitude for Mr. Bush's administration.

Now if he'd just fire Karl Rove...
But he didn't even KNOW that Brown had resigned, despite the fact that Brown told Andrew Card two days earlier, and Card was touring Katrinaland with Bush for the last few days.

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Sep 13, 2005, 05:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead
But why didn't he admit this two days ago, when he should have?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Must have a Democratic Gun behind the head certainly.

I mean, in the Name of the XXXXX XXXXX and the Holy Ghost, this man cannot be wrong!

He personifies the Right!!!
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Sep 13, 2005, 05:54 PM
 
That look of contrition is terrible! Please close this thread at once before we see admission of wrongfulnes and mistake elsewhere!!!!

Shield our eyes from such humanity!


Aaaarghhh!
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Sep 13, 2005, 07:03 PM
 
Technically, he only took the blame at the federal level - knowing full well the real blame lies at the local and state levels.

Which does my heart good - because they're all liberal Democrats that allowed their citizens to live in poverty and then did nothing to save them.
     
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Sep 13, 2005, 07:24 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter
Maybe because he had to fire the head of FEMA and find a replacement? It is NEVER a good idea to publicly chastise someone who works for you, even if they have proven to be incompetent or incapable. You can let them go and find a replacement. After that, you can say that the replaced person's job wasn't done correctly and you aren't "airing dirty laundry." Two days doesn't make a hill of beans' difference. He said the federal governmeng goobered up and took responsibility for it-this is a real change in attitude for Mr. Bush's administration.

Now if he'd just fire Karl Rove...
I was being sarcastic.
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Sep 13, 2005, 07:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy
Technically, he only took the blame at the federal level - knowing full well the real blame lies at the local and state levels.
despite this

Which does my heart good - because they're all liberal Democrats that allowed their citizens to live in poverty and then did nothing to save them.

And King George will fix that.


I'm glad your loving heart is doing good, despite this:

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Sep 13, 2005, 07:28 PM
 
Funny thing is the Federal response to Hugo and Andrew was way worse than it was for Katrina. Once again, the media plays into the hands of the vocal minority.
     
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Originally Posted by RAILhead
I was being sarcastic.
I WASN'T being sarcastic about Karl.
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Sep 13, 2005, 07:41 PM
 
Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy
Technically, he only took the blame at the federal level - knowing full well the real blame lies at the local and state levels.

Which does my heart good - because they're all liberal Democrats that allowed their citizens to live in poverty and then did nothing to save them.
"Yeah, the building is down in pieces and 400 people died. So I'll take the blame. I mean, I'll take the blame for that brick. Yeah! That one over there that still looks intact. Somehow it did not fit with the others. Check these out will ya?"
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Sep 13, 2005, 08:29 PM
 
He's only "acting", just like the last guy. (and his boss) (and his boss's boss)
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Sep 13, 2005, 08:50 PM
 
You heard it here…

It's Bush's fault.

He ordered the Hurricane direct from God via his faith based initiatives, then told Red Cross, Salvation Army, the 82nd and FEMA to all just sit tight and not do a damn thing.

But just too make sure those people suffer further he dispatched the little known, but clearly efficient, LEARN (Local Emergency Action Response Nullification ). They effectively caused local systems to shut down, become unorganized and actually refuse entry to RC and SA workers in the aftermath.

One of the most ingenious strokes of the malevolent Bush was the shredding of all NG papers and documents that were en route from the LA Governors office to activate and deploy the LA Guard prior to the hurricane landfall.

Of lesser note, but a deviashly brilliant play, he slipped away from the Secret Service long enough to rent a truck, buy a bottle of bourbon and ounce of coke and drive to the levy whilie listening to 'Miss American PIe' on his dumbPod and breech the damn in a drunken rampage. Eyewitnesses say he was getting advice over cell phone from the Army Corp of engineers on how best to "go nookular on a levy"

Finally, today, using knowledge gained while with the Astros, threw the left a huge curve ball and actually did his job in admitting all that could have been done was not.

News at 11, the left-wing ring around the posey dance while chanting, "Ya, See? See! See! See!"

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Sep 13, 2005, 09:37 PM
 
That was absolutely hilarious.
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Sep 13, 2005, 10:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:
See! See! See!"


You left out how he did it just to get "those people."
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Sep 14, 2005, 01:13 AM
 
Wow...you people can't appreciate someone accepting responsibility for a failure? A Head of State? I find it both honorable and respectable. The apology is on record now (an official admission of failure). When was the last time you've seen that happen at that level? Even though you may hate the man, he has at least accecpted responsibility. More than most of you would do for a simple car accident.

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I feel SO sorry for Bush. Oh. My. Gosh. This is unbelieveable. If he doesn't come out and accept responsibility, he's an evil, irresponsible guy. If he does, he's got some hiddent political agenda... *sigh*

Ever occur to you guys that maybe he has seen a flaw in how the Federal government handled the situation and is owning up to that because it's the right thing to do?

The guy is damned if he does and damned if he don't. I mean, what do you want him to do?? Pull out a wand and abra-kadabra make everything just "peachy-keen?"

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Sep 14, 2005, 05:49 AM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter
Now if he'd just fire Karl Rove...
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Sep 14, 2005, 06:28 AM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter
He said the federal governmeng goobered up and took responsibility for it-this is a real change in attitude for Mr. Bush's administration.

Now if he'd just fire Karl Rove...
And take responsibility for all his other failings...
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I feel SO sorry for Bush. Oh. My. Gosh. This is unbelieveable. If he doesn't come out and accept responsibility, he's an evil, irresponsible guy. If he does, he's got some hiddent political agenda... *sigh*

Ever occur to you guys that maybe he has seen a flaw in how the Federal government handled the situation and is owning up to that because it's the right thing to do?

The guy is damned if he does and damned if he don't. I mean, what do you want him to do?? Pull out a wand and abra-kadabra make everything just "peachy-keen?"
Has it ever occurred to you that the guy is being handled and with his approval ratings sinking faster than the Titantic this is just damage control? I'm not damning him for it, any politician would do the same but please, let's stop the pretense that George here is a cut different than any other ole politician and is just an aw shucks regular kind of guy.
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Sep 14, 2005, 06:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy
Technically, he only took the blame at the federal level - knowing full well the real blame lies at the local and state levels.

Which does my heart good - because they're all liberal Democrats that allowed their citizens to live in poverty and then did nothing to save them.
Actually, once the US goverment declares a region a federal disaster agency it falls under the Stafford Act and the National Response Plan

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0566.xml

On August 26th Gov. Blanco declared a state of emergency, on the 27th Bush declared a state of emergency of national significance and on the 28th Blanco requested Federal assistance. Once those chain of events were put in motion ultimate responsibility for management of the disaster lies at the Federal level.

From the plan:

Multi-Agency Coordination Structures

The National Response Plan establishes multi-agency coordinating structures at the field, regional and headquarters levels. These structures:

* Enable the execution of the responsibilities of the President through the appropriate Federal department and agencies;

* Integrate Federal, State, local, tribal, nongovernmental Organization, and private-sector efforts; and

* Provide a national capability that addresses both site-specific incident management activities and broader regional or national issues, such as impacts to the rest of the country, immediate regional or national actions required to avert or prepare for potential subsequent events, and the management of multiple incidents.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0569.xml

Two important points from that plan are the integration of various levels of government and private-sector efforts being the responsibility of the Federal government (in this case HS and more specifically FEMA) and this line: immediate regional or national actions required to avert or prepare for potential subsequent events.

Clearly this was not done or not done effectively on the Federal level.

The Stafford Act exists so that states can call upon the Federal government to assist them when a natural or man-made disaster overwhelms the state's capabilities to deal with it:

The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, Public Law 93-288, as amended (the Stafford Act) was enacted to support State and local governments and their citizens when disasters overwhelm them.

All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster or emergency exists shall be made by the Governor [chief executive] of the affected State.

The Federal government doesn't bear all responsibility for everything that went wrong in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast but there is no arguing that prior to the storm hitting the Federal government, through HS and FEMA was the controlling body in dealing with the disaster.

Your other comment, that it was liberal Democrats that let these people live in poverty just smacks of partisan ignorance. It was 40 years of combined policies from both sides of the aisle that have left us with an America where the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
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Originally Posted by RIRedinPA
Actually, once the US goverment declares a region a federal disaster agency it falls under the Stafford Act and the National Response Plan

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0566.xml

On August 26th Gov. Blanco declared a state of emergency, on the 27th Bush declared a state of emergency of national significance and on the 28th Blanco requested Federal assistance. Once those chain of events were put in motion ultimate responsibility for management of the disaster lies at the Federal level.

From the plan:

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The National Response Plan establishes multi-agency coordinating structures at the field, regional and headquarters levels. These structures:

* Enable the execution of the responsibilities of the President through the appropriate Federal department and agencies;

* Integrate Federal, State, local, tribal, nongovernmental Organization, and private-sector efforts; and

* Provide a national capability that addresses both site-specific incident management activities and broader regional or national issues, such as impacts to the rest of the country, immediate regional or national actions required to avert or prepare for potential subsequent events, and the management of multiple incidents.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interap...orial_0569.xml

Two important points from that plan are the integration of various levels of government and private-sector efforts being the responsibility of the Federal government (in this case HS and more specifically FEMA) and this line: immediate regional or national actions required to avert or prepare for potential subsequent events.

Clearly this was not done or not done effectively on the Federal level.

The Stafford Act exists so that states can call upon the Federal government to assist them when a natural or man-made disaster overwhelms the state's capabilities to deal with it:

The Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, Public Law 93-288, as amended (the Stafford Act) was enacted to support State and local governments and their citizens when disasters overwhelm them.

All requests for a declaration by the President that a major disaster or emergency exists shall be made by the Governor [chief executive] of the affected State.

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Originally Posted by RIRedinPA
Has it ever occurred to you that the guy is being handled...
I do NOT want to hear about ANOTHER president being "handled." Not listening! LA LA LA!!
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Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy
...knowing full well the real blame lies at the local and state levels.

"Real blame"?

Ha. The blame runs up and down the government from local on up. Dems and Reps are at fault here. Quit the finger pointing BS already.
     
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Originally Posted by baw
Funny thing is the Federal response to Hugo and Andrew was way worse than it was for Katrina. Once again, the media plays into the hands of the vocal minority.
An absurd comment.
     
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Originally Posted by spauldingg
This was the State of Emergency proclamation;
EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT PROCLAMATION NO. 48 KBB 2005 __________________________________________________ _______________________________________ STATE OF EMERGENCY - HURRICANE KATRINA __________________________________________________ _______________________________________ WHEREAS, the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29:721, et seq., confers upon the governor of the state of Louisiana emergency powers to deal with emergencies and disasters, including those caused by fire, flood, earthquake or other natural or man-made causes, in order to ensure that preparations of this state will be adequate to deal with such emergencies or disasters and to preserve the lives and property of the citizens of the state of Louisiana; WHEREAS, when the governor finds a disaster or emergency has occurred, or the threat thereof is imminent, R.S. 29:724(B)(1) empowers her to declare the state of disaster or emergency by executive order or proclamation, or both; and WHEREAS, On August 26, 2005, Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat to the state of Louisiana, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of Louisiana; NOW THEREFORE I, KATHLEEN BABINEAUX BLANCO, Governor of the state of Louisiana, by virtue of the authority vested by the Constitution and laws of the state of Louisiana, do hereby order and direct as follows: SECTION 1: Pursuant to the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29:721, et seq., a state of emergency is declared to exist in the state of Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana; SECTION 2: The state of Louisiana=s emergency response and recovery program is activated under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to prepare for and provide emergency support services and/or to minimize the effects of the storm=s damage. SECTION 3: The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my hand officially and caused to be affixed the Great Seal of Louisiana, at the Capitol, in the city of Baton Rouge, on this 26th day of August, 2005. /S/ Kathleen Babineaux Blanco GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANA

No mention of any Federal Agency, but that in accordance with the Declaration, local resources would be mobilized. Didn't happen. Not in accordance with her own proclamation, not in accordance with law, not in accordance with their drafted evacuation plan, not in accordance with "needed improvements" from their failed mock evac of 15 months ago, and not in accordance with simple compassion. She and the mayor of Louisiana bickered while people were dying. Why you remain faithful to indicting the Federal Government exclusively is beyond me. Yes, the Federal Government is responsible for latency in providing relief. I want to see you admit that the local government was latent first.

This way, when the facts are brought to the table in their entirety and Blanco is releived of her duty, I won't have to say "I told you so."
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Sep 14, 2005, 08:05 AM
 
Now Congress should step up to the plate and admit they fooked up by allowing the creation of the Department of Homeland Incompetence without parental supervision.
     
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Originally Posted by ebuddy
This way, when the facts are brought to the table in their entirety and Blanco is releived of her duty, I won't have to say "I told you so."

So you're suggesting that an elected official be fired? Good luck with that.

I agree that she is responsible for a large portion of the loss. A reasonable person would admit fault and step down in light of their incompetence. George Bush is half way there.
     
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Originally Posted by art_director
So you're suggesting that an elected official be fired? Good luck with that.

I agree that she is responsible for a large portion of the loss.
Yes, you and the many others calling for her impeachment. She will either step down or be impeached.

A reasonable person would admit fault and step down in light of their incompetence. George Bush is half way there.
You're suggesting Bush step down because of the failures of the Louisiana governor? Good luck with that.
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The Red Cross has confirmed to Fox News Channel's Major Garrett that they had requested permission to take food and medical supplies to the Louisiana Superdome in the hours immediately after Hurricane Katrina's landfall. That request was denied by none other than Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco.

Garrett appeared on Hugh Hewitt's syndicated radio program this evening to discuss the shocking revelation.

MG: Well, the Red Cross, Hugh, had pre-positioned a literal vanguard of trucks with water, food, blankets and hygiene items. They're not really big into medical response items, but those are the three biggies that we saw people at the New Orleans Superdome, and the convention center, needing most accutely. And all of us in America, I think, reasonably asked ourselves, geez. You know, I watch hurricanes all the time. And I see correspondents standing among rubble and refugees and evacuaees. But I always either see that Red Cross or Salvation Army truck nearby. Why don't I see that?
HH: And the answer is?

MG: The answer is the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, that is the state agency responsible for that state's homeland security, told the Red Cross explicitly, you cannot come.

HH: Now Major Garrett, on what day did they block the delivery? Do you know specifically?

MG: I am told by the Red Cross, immediately after the storm passed.

The Louisiana Department of Homeland Security is directly under the command and direction of Governor Kathleen Blanco. The same Kathleen Blanco who has whined and blamed the federal government from her perch in Baton Rouge throughout this entire crisis. The same Kathleen Blanco who has stared at cameras with deer-in-headlight-glazed eyes since Hurricane Katrina made landfall. The same Kathleen Blanco who, after being asked about federal help prior to landfall said, "No." The same Kathleen Blanco who rescinded Mayor Ray Nagin's order to completely evacuate the city due to dangerous conditions just today.
Was Kathleen Blanco's goal the death of as many of those in the Superdome as possible?

Not my story, but an enlightening one none the less. Trust me on this peeps, she's not going to be governor for much longer.
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Sep 14, 2005, 08:22 AM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy
Yes, you and the many others calling for her impeachment. She will either step down or be impeached.
I have not called for anyone's impeachment.



Originally Posted by ebuddy
You're suggesting Bush step down because of the failures of the Louisiana governor? Good luck with that.
I honestly don't care what he steps down for so long as he vacates the White House. That would allow America to get back on track faster. Mind you, I'm among the 2/3s of Americans who feel America is off track.
     
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Sep 14, 2005, 08:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by art_director
I have not called for anyone's impeachment.
I should have clarified; I was responding to the very last statement in your post. Yes, she is "responsible for a large portion of the loss" and for this reason, many who agree with your statement are calling for her impeachment.

I honestly don't care what he steps down for so long as he vacates the White House.
This, I guarantee you will not happen. Blanco's fate however, is a little less certain.

That would allow America to get back on track faster. Mind you, I'm among the 2/3s of Americans who feel America is off track.
According to what data? The poll conducted in your gated community?
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Originally Posted by ebuddy
This was the State of Emergency proclamation;
EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT PROCLAMATION NO. 48 KBB 2005 __________________________________________________ _______________________________________ STATE OF EMERGENCY - HURRICANE KATRINA __________________________________________________ _______________________________________ WHEREAS, the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29:721, et seq., confers upon the governor of the state of Louisiana emergency powers to deal with emergencies and disasters, including those caused by fire, flood, earthquake or other natural or man-made causes, in order to ensure that preparations of this state will be adequate to deal with such emergencies or disasters and to preserve the lives and property of the citizens of the state of Louisiana; WHEREAS, when the governor finds a disaster or emergency has occurred, or the threat thereof is imminent, R.S. 29:724(B)(1) empowers her to declare the state of disaster or emergency by executive order or proclamation, or both; and WHEREAS, On August 26, 2005, Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat to the state of Louisiana, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of Louisiana; NOW THEREFORE I, KATHLEEN BABINEAUX BLANCO, Governor of the state of Louisiana, by virtue of the authority vested by the Constitution and laws of the state of Louisiana, do hereby order and direct as follows: SECTION 1: Pursuant to the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act, R.S. 29:721, et seq., a state of emergency is declared to exist in the state of Louisiana as Hurricane Katrina poses an imminent threat, carrying severe storms, high winds, and torrential rain that may cause flooding and damage to private property and public facilities, and threaten the safety and security of the citizens of the state of Louisiana; SECTION 2: The state of Louisiana=s emergency response and recovery program is activated under the command of the director of the state office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness to prepare for and provide emergency support services and/or to minimize the effects of the storm=s damage. SECTION 3: The state of emergency extends from Friday, August 26, 2005, through Sunday, September 25, 2005, unless terminated sooner. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my hand officially and caused to be affixed the Great Seal of Louisiana, at the Capitol, in the city of Baton Rouge, on this 26th day of August, 2005. /S/ Kathleen Babineaux Blanco GOVERNOR OF LOUISIANA

No mention of any Federal Agency, but that in accordance with the Declaration, local resources would be mobilized. Didn't happen. Not in accordance with her own proclamation, not in accordance with law, not in accordance with their drafted evacuation plan, not in accordance with "needed improvements" from their failed mock evac of 15 months ago, and not in accordance with simple compassion. She and the mayor of Louisiana bickered while people were dying. Why you remain faithful to indicting the Federal Government exclusively is beyond me. Yes, the Federal Government is responsible for latency in providing relief. I want to see you admit that the local government was latent first.

This way, when the facts are brought to the table in their entirety and Blanco is releived of her duty, I won't have to say "I told you so."
Without letting Blanco off the hook, the day after she declared a state of emergency President Bush declared a state of emergency of national significance, which in turn invoked the National Emergency Response Plan. This put the Federal government as the coordinating body for emergency response. It doesn't alleviate Blanco and Nagin for their poor management/leadership of the crisis but ultimate responsibility falls on FEMA and justly or unjustly on Bush as head of the administration.

It's too bad a tragedy like this hasn't had a unifying effect on the nation - instead it seems to have raised the partisanship to a new level.
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Sep 14, 2005, 08:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by RIRedinPA
Without letting Blanco off the hook, the day after she declared a state of emergency President Bush declared a state of emergency of national significance, which in turn invoked the National Emergency Response Plan. This put the Federal government as the coordinating body for emergency response. It doesn't alleviate Blanco and Nagin for their poor management/leadership of the crisis but ultimate responsibility falls on FEMA and justly or unjustly on Bush as head of the administration.

It's too bad a tragedy like this hasn't had a unifying effect on the nation - instead it seems to have raised the partisanship to a new level.
I agree. It seemed the left were frothing at the mouth to point fingers at the Federal Administration. Not surprising, they've used any tragedy they can get their hands on and have shown they will stop at no new low. I disagree, ultimite responsibility falls on the local administration in their disaster preparedness. The time to evacuate people is not after a storm hits, it's before a storm hits. 72 hours before. This is why states like Louisiana have drafted evac plans and mock evac drills. When they are found woefully dismal failures, it is not the Federal Government's responsibility to ensure their improvement. It was the local administration's responsibility and they dropped the ball big time. This time it was for real.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy
I agree. It seemed the left were frothing at the mouth to point fingers at the Federal Administration. Not surprising, they've used any tragedy they can get their hands on and have shown they will stop at no new low. I disagree, ultimite responsibility falls on the local administration in their disaster preparedness. The time to evacuate people is not after a storm hits, it's before a storm hits. 72 hours before. This is why states like Louisiana have drafted evac plans and mock evac drills. When they are found woefully dismal failures, it is not the Federal Government's responsibility to ensure their improvement. It was the local administration's responsibility and they dropped the ball big time. This time it was for real.
See, I said the partisanship is terrible and you immediately respond with "the left blah, blah, blah." Thanks for proving my point.

There's plenty of blame to flow around here, the Mayor of NO did not adequately address the needs of those who would knowingly be left behind, the governor took questionable action prior to and after she made the state declaration and asked for the federal declaration and the feds were stupefying slow in getting to the scene post hurricane. To sit there and point the finger at any one political group for responsibility or ultimate blame is fruitless.
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Originally Posted by art_director
I honestly don't care what he steps down for so long as he vacates the White House. That would allow America to get back on track faster. Mind you, I'm among the 2/3s of Americans who feel America is off track.
From your postings here, I didn't think you would consider a President Cheney "allowing America back on track faster".
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Sep 14, 2005, 12:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy
According to what data? The poll conducted in your gated community?

Gated community? That's out of left field and horribly inaccurate.


An AP poll was cited in this quote from a CNN.com piece dated September 10, 2005:

"The public's view of the nation's direction has grown increasingly negative as well, with nearly two-thirds now saying the country is heading down the wrong track."

SOURCE: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/bush.poll.ap/ *

*Mind you, if you dispute this figure you're disputing AP not CNN.com.
     
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Originally Posted by ThinkInsane
From your postings here, I didn't think you would consider a President Cheney "allowing America back on track faster".
You're right but his heart heart could go out at any moment. Besides, he's really leading this thing anyway.
     
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Originally Posted by art_director
You're right but his heart heart could go out at any moment. Besides, he's really leading this thing anyway.
Now the guy has a heart?
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Albeit a faulty one.
     
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Originally Posted by Mark Larr
Like Klinton's bum ticker?

Why is it that Repulsivicans always point to Clinton?

Regardless, one should note that Clinton had a quadruple coronary artery bypass -- a single incident. On the other hand, Cheney has a history of heart trouble going back to 1978. If we put the two hearts in a cage and let them slug it out I'd put my money on Clinton's ticker. Of course, Cheney is so evil that he'll probably out live all of us.

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Because the democraps can only focus on the negative.

Ever.


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