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It seems that the elections in Afghanistan went without 'too much' violence.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050918/...ltBHNlYwM3MTY-
But wait did you see that?
'Violence in the hours before voting began and during the day killed 15 people, including a French commando in the U.S.-led coalition that is helping Afghans build a democracy after a quarter-century of conflict. But there were no signs of a spectacular attack threatened by Taliban militants to disrupt the vote.'
A French soldier eh? Gee, to say that I was led to believe by the 'fair and balanced' people in the news, in the government and on this board that these pesky Frenchies weren't doing anything in Afghanistan and 'to fight terror'.
Maybe he was just on vacation there. 
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Um.... I seem to remember hearing from the Fair and Balanced media (namely Fox News) that the French would be sending in soldiers to help rebuild... this AFTER the majority of the fighting passed.
all that of course, IIRC.
Spliffdaddy--I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not, but your statement is true. We should be thanking the President.
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Originally Posted by villalobos
A French soldier eh? Gee, to say that I was led to believe by the 'fair and balanced' people in the news, in the government and on this board that these pesky Frenchies weren't doing anything in Afghanistan and 'to fight terror'.
Maybe he was just on vacation there.
Your memory is bad. It's Iraq that the French are protesting. Not Afghanistan.
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Originally Posted by Railroader
Your memory is bad. It's Iraq that the French are protesting. Not Afghanistan.
But I still heard that the French weren't 'doing anything' against terror, that they were treators because they would not help the US in the fight against terror and so on and so forth. It seems to me that they are, in the place where it actually counts...
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Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy
woohoo! Thanks, Dubya!
Well actually, thanks OBL, without who nothing would have happened.
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Originally Posted by villalobos
But I still heard that the French weren't 'doing anything' against terror, that they were treators because they would not help the US in the fight against terror and so on and so forth. It seems to me that they are, in the place where it actually counts...
You must have heard wrong then. I think you are confused.
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Originally Posted by Railroader
You must have heard wrong then. I think you are confused.
No I am not. I know what I read from the 'fair and balanced' crowd on this board. It is amusing that you would even start to contest that. Pretty funny. 
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Originally Posted by villalobos
No I am not. I know what I read from the 'fair and balanced' crowd on this board. It is amusing that you would even start to contest that. Pretty funny.
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Originally Posted by villalobos
Well actually, thanks OBL, without who nothing would have happened.
Which unfortunately is the truth.
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Originally Posted by villalobos
No I am not. I know what I read from the 'fair and balanced' crowd on this board. It is amusing that you would even start to contest that. Pretty funny.
The French obviously have a vested interest in helping rebuild Afghanistan and eliminating terror. This should not surprise you. The French on the other hand, were lining their pockets in the Oil for food scandal through Saddam. The French opposition to our actions in Iraq should not surprise you in light of this 'fair' assessment either. If they were ever considered "less-than-friendly" it's not because of whether or not they're willing to send troops. It's where and when they'll send troops and why. I'm sorry for their loss. They should acknowledge the US blood shed and losses in fighting the one they were helping fund.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy
The French obviously have a vested interest in helping rebuild Afghanistan and eliminating terror. This should not surprise you. The French on the other hand, were lining their pockets in the Oil for food scandal through Saddam. The French opposition to our actions in Iraq should not surprise you in light of this 'fair' assessment either. If they were ever considered "less-than-friendly" it's not because of whether or not they're willing to send troops. It's where and when they'll send troops and why. I'm sorry for their loss. They should acknowledge the US blood shed and losses in fighting the one they were helping fund.
Great comedy! Thanks! 
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Originally Posted by von Wrangell
Great comedy! Thanks!
There was no humor in my statement. What are you on?
If you disagree, tell me where I made an error. Otherwise, you may try losing the big red button nose you're wearing.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy
There was no humor in my statement. What are you on?
If you disagree, tell me where I made an error.
You weren't joking? If not then your post above was just terribly sad......
But sure, I'm always ready to educate and help.
The French obviously have a vested interest in helping rebuild Afghanistan and eliminating terror. This should not surprise you. The French on the other hand, were lining their pockets in the Oil for food scandal through Saddam. The French opposition to our actions in Iraq should not surprise you in light of this 'fair' assessment either. If they were ever considered "less-than-friendly" it's not because of whether or not they're willing to send troops. It's where and when they'll send troops and why. I'm sorry for their loss. They should acknowledge the US blood shed and losses in fighting the one they were helping fund.
1. It wasn't the French. It were a few French companies. As well as American companies and British. Every nation used that program for their own benefit.
2. And the comment about them funding SH is just pure comedy gold. Don't you know anything about the relationship between the US and Iraq? The biggest sponsor of Iraq has always been the US. It was the US that made it impossible to get a UNSC resolution passed against Iraq for using chemical weapons on Iranians as well as Kurds. The list is so long that I don't want to spend the next week writing it out. Just try to educate yourself a bit. I'll say again, the biggest sponsor of Iraq has always been the US.
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BS.
The French and Russian governments were selling Saddam weapons systems specifically proscribed in the ceasefire agreement from the Gulf War, including missiles and night vision equipment. Your selective memory kick in?
The Germans were building him vast bunker complexes and providing engineering expertise on revising his existing weapons systems, again as strictly proscribed in the ceasefire agreement.
All of this was paid for with funds skimmed by Saddam from the Oil For Food Program.
That was the reason those three countries opposed the continuation of hostilities against Saddam for his repeated violations of the ceasfire agreement. They were able to do all of this clandestinely until American and British forces found all the little "goodies" still new in the box and manufactured after the ceasefire in 1991.
They are still defiantly unapologetic about these violations.
The French went into Afghanistan in extremely limited numbers, as well as the Canadians, Poles, Italians, Spaniards, British, and Germans.
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Yes, the Germans became proficent in building bomb proof bunkers.
My dad flew over Berlin in 1945, but he didn't stop.
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Originally Posted by Macrobat
BS.
The French and Russian governments were selling Saddam weapons systems specifically proscribed in the ceasefire agreement from the Gulf War, including missiles and night vision equipment. Your selective memory kick in?
Link?
The Germans were building him vast bunker complexes and providing engineering expertise on revising his existing weapons systems, again as strictly proscribed in the ceasefire agreement.
Link?
All of this was paid for with funds skimmed by Saddam from the Oil For Food Program.
Link?
That was the reason those three countries opposed the continuation of hostilities against Saddam for his repeated violations of the ceasfire agreement. They were able to do all of this clandestinely until American and British forces found all the little "goodies" still new in the box and manufactured after the ceasefire in 1991.
Link?
They are still defiantly unapologetic about these violations.
Link?
The French went into Afghanistan in extremely limited numbers, as well as the Canadians, Poles, Italians, Spaniards, British, and Germans.
Link?
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Originally Posted by villalobos
But I still heard that the French weren't 'doing anything' against terror, that they were treators because they would not help the US in the fight against terror and so on and so forth. It seems to me that they are, in the place where it actually counts...
This this has been covered from the left and right, our best ally to date vis-a-vis intelligence on terrorists, bringing them to justice, intervention, etc. etc. has been the French.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167323,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...201361_pf.html
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Originally Posted by Macrobat
VW, this habit of yours where you pretend not to know about well-documented and widely-reported events whenever they serve to undermine your arguments gets extremely tiresome.
yada yada yada. Let's take a look at the links shall we?
Do you read your own links? From that link:
"It was built in 1982 and 1983 by German firm Boswau & Knauer....
GWI was a couple of years later.
Again, do you you read your own links?
" That official was careful to stipulate that intelligence reports did not indicate whether the French government had sanctioned or knew about the parts transfers. The French company at the beginning of the pipeline remained unidentified in the reports."
"One spare-parts pipeline flowed from a French company to Al Tamoor Trading Co. in the United Arab Emirates."
note: UAE is one of your best allies in the region.
"A French company, CIS Paris, helped broker the sale of 20 tons of HTPB, a controlled export that was shipped from China to the Syrian port of Tartus."
"Total, the French oil giant, had been promised exploration rights."
Just companies so far.
""Most of Iraq's military imports transited Syria by several trading companies...."
"US officials have found evidence corroborating White House allegations that Russian companies....."
"The official said the United States has found proof that Russian companies...."
"The White House said at the time that it had "credible evidence" that the equipment came from Russian companies."
"In raising the issue last year, US officials contended that although the hardware was allegedly sold by private companies....."
"Bush administration sources said one Russian company....."
"President Saddam Hussein increased its acquisition of antitank guided missiles produced by a firm called KBP Tula......."
"The threat was considered serious enough that very senior U.S. officials pressed the Russians to crack down on the Moscow-based manufacturer, Aviaconversiya.........."
I don't think you actually need a link to prove those countries are unapologetic, you're just continuing your wise-@ssed ways.
What do the governments have to apologise for? Your own links above show that those governments weren't involved but private companies.
From that link:
"French commitment to OEF has been strong and resolute since the beginning of the operation.
Now just to remind you I said the governments weren't involved.You claimed the French (and Russian) government handled those deals. Your own links prove you wrong.
But just two short requests to finish this post off.
1. Could you read your own links before you post them next time as I have more important things to do in my life than to read something that I have already said.
2. Any chance of you arguing without the unnecessary aggression? You know, like an adult?
That would be great. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Macrobat
I've noticed the same tiresome thing on several occasions. I'm gratified to see you bring it to light.
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Give petty people just a little bit of power and watch how they misuse it! You can't silence the self doubt, can you?
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