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ambush · Sep 19, 2005, 10:06 PM

Looks like it.

Finally a politician with style.

The PQ members will vote for a new leader, and chances are André Boisclair will get the majority.

He's openly homosexual, and pro-mari.
And he's got good ideas. (I don't mind him being gay, as long as he has good ideas, as in INDEPENDANCE OF QUÉBEC).

We all are pretty confident the PQ will win the next elections, and then the referendum.

And we will be a free, French state in north america.

mauahahahah

Ozmodiar · Sep 19, 2005, 10:11 PM

The gays are a very clean people. The always have been ever since they emigrated here from France.

OldManMac · Sep 19, 2005, 10:16 PM

Looks like the Canadians are more secure in their own sexual beliefs than most Americans.

Captain Obvious · Sep 19, 2005, 10:26 PM

Makes sense, in an imaginary country they elect a gay man to rule them.

xargos · Sep 19, 2005, 10:26 PM

Bravo to Quebec for not having hangups on someones sexuality. Maybe someday those of us in the USA will be so lucky as to have people judged by something other than race, gender, or sexuality.

Salty · Sep 19, 2005, 10:37 PM

Cause we all know that gay men are better leaders than straight ones. I mean look at their parades...

Railroader · Sep 19, 2005, 10:42 PM

Wrong forum.

Mods, please move this thread.

kmkkid · Sep 19, 2005, 10:44 PM

Wrong forum + Quebec will never win the referendum. We have trained officials to rig these things.

sminch · Sep 19, 2005, 10:45 PM

i'd like to take this opportunity to mention that new zealand was the first country to have a transexual member of parliament (and first transexual mayor, i see). woot etc!

http://www.ps.parliament.govt.nz/mp137.htm

sminch

PacHead · Sep 20, 2005, 04:01 AM

Quebec should be allowed to break free. Canada should then invade that place afterwards and immediately ban all use of the French language. French speaking people cause trouble no matter where they are located, be it in France or in Quebec. There is still hope for Canada.

11011001 · Sep 20, 2005, 05:00 AM

Next, Vancouver will ask to separate because of it's high asian population.

Well, if Quebec does separate I will vote for a Canadian government that will give them no financial support at all.

Kevin · Sep 20, 2005, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

The gays are a very clean people. The always have been ever since they emigrated here from France.

SimeyTheLimey · Sep 20, 2005, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by ambush

Looks like it.

Finally a politician with style.

Using my gay man's eye, that picture from his web site is either very old, or photoshopped.

Compare with:

The bottom ones look more like a 39 year old.

Goldfinger · Sep 20, 2005, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by PacHead

Quebec should be allowed to break free. Canada should then invade that place afterwards and immediately ban all use of the French language. French speaking people cause trouble no matter where they are located, be it in France or in Quebec. There is still hope for Canada.

You really are completely nuts.

Eug Wanker · Sep 20, 2005, 06:03 AM

Vive le Québec libre! (ie. as part of Canada)

P.S. Wrong forum.

ambush · Sep 20, 2005, 06:22 AM

PacHead is an irrational being. Let him be this way, for he is happy.

Also. How could Canada invade us? We've got the best part of its army here

Oh and it's a WELL KNOWN fact that Quebec-trained soldiers KICK ass in military competitions

Mastrap · Sep 20, 2005, 06:49 AM

Give it a rest ambush. An independent Quebec doesn't make sense, politically, fiscally and ergonomically. Thankfully most Quebecois in a position of influence realize that.
The last time Quebec came close to splitting from the union, Montreal lost over 50% of it's business community and it's position of being the first city of Canada. What do you think is responsible for the rise of Toronto? Toronto is now the financial and business capital of Canada. An independent Quebec would be nothing but a stagnating backwater where the talented leave and others continue to dream a dream that never had chance of succeeding.

spatterson · Sep 20, 2005, 09:07 AM

I like the suit he is wearing

MacNStein · Sep 20, 2005, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by sminch

i'd like to take this opportunity to mention that new zealand was the first country to have a transexual member of parliament (and first transexual mayor, i see). woot etc!

http://www.ps.parliament.govt.nz/mp137.htm

sminch

Wrong, Key West did that in 1986. He attended his inauguration in black heels and a blue backless number. Very classy.

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 09:50 AM

We just bumped a gay mayor out of office.

He wanted gay pride marches through the streets. The public said "OK as long as we can have straight pride marches". He refused. Public not happy bunnies.

He dropped "Christmas" and went with "Winterfest". Public not happy bunnies.

He gave his $100,000 assistant's job to his "special friend". Public not happy bunnies.

Gay men and politics do not mix. Simey is the exception who proves the rule.

Oisín · Sep 20, 2005, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

He wanted gay pride marches through the streets. The public said "OK as long as we can have straight pride marches". He refused. Public not happy bunnies.

He dropped "Christmas" and went with "Winterfest". Public not happy bunnies.

He gave his $100,000 assistant's job to his "special friend". Public not happy bunnies.

So the question is: why on earth would you ever vote such a nutter in in the first place? 'Winterfest'? Wtf?!?

Gay men and politics do not mix. Simey is the exception who proves the rule.

Heh.

Kevin · Sep 20, 2005, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Oisín

So the question is: why on earth would you ever vote such a nutter in in the first place? 'Winterfest'? Wtf?!?

Politicians usually cover their nuts during an election.

Oisín · Sep 20, 2005, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Politicians usually cover their nuts during an election.

I'd imagine they'd get arrested for indecent exposure if they didn't.

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Oisín

So the question is: why on earth would you ever vote such a nutter in in the first place?

I didn't.
But I'm surrounded by commies who did.

Originally Posted by Oisín

'Winterfest'? Wtf?!?

Yep.

Eug Wanker · Sep 20, 2005, 10:10 AM

P.S. Having lived in Québec and seeing the political climate there, I can only see independence leading to higher taxes, more bureaucracy, and even more stifling laws.

And it's still the wrong forum.

Mastrap · Sep 20, 2005, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Gay men and politics do not mix. Simey is the exception who proves the rule.

Corruption and idiocy have little, if anything, to do with sexual orientation.

acadian · Sep 20, 2005, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by ambush

Looks like it.

Finally a politician with style.

The PQ members will vote for a new leader, and chances are André Boisclair will get the majority.

He's openly homosexual, and pro-mari.
And he's got good ideas. (I don't mind him being gay, as long as he has good ideas, as in INDEPENDANCE OF QUÉBEC).

We all are pretty confident the PQ will win the next elections, and then the referendum.

And we will be a free, French state in north america.

mauahahahah

Here we go again... speaking as one french-canadian to another, when will you wake up and realize that despite PQ propaganda to the contrary, you will not be better off on your own. Christ, even Levesque grudgingly admitted this in '76. The rest of the country will not enter into any reciprocity agreement with a sovereign Quebec and you will not survive without the transfer payments.

Mastrap · Sep 20, 2005, 10:16 AM

Exactly right. This 'Quebec Libre' nonsense that blames each and every ill on the British 'occupation' is beginning to annoy me majorly. Get over it already.

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Corruption and idiocy have little, if anything, to do with sexual orientation.

Peter Mandelson - twice sacked for corruption.
Ron Davies - caught with pants down on Clapham Common.
Nick Brown - caught with rent boy.

Oh. And Peter Tatchell.

rjenkinson · Sep 20, 2005, 10:29 AM

andré boisclair admits he did coke while in office.

-r.

Ozmodiar · Sep 20, 2005, 10:40 AM

I can't believe we're actually having a conversation about whether or not gay men should be in office because they'll automatically be corrupt leaders.

If you believe that only the corrupt politicians have been gays then you can rot in hell with the rest of the ignorant jackbags who think what goes on in your bedroom is the one thing about a person that truly defines their character. Also, apparently people installing OS X on their PCs are going to hell, too, so tell them I said hi.

Oisín · Sep 20, 2005, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Peter Mandelson - twice sacked for corruption.
Ron Davies - caught with pants down on Clapham Common.
Nick Brown - caught with rent boy.

Oh. And Peter Tatchell.

And hundreds upon thousands of straight politicians and high-ranking people in militaries, etc.

If an all-encompassing survey were done, I'm sure it would show that corruption is almost precisely equally common in straight and gay people.

The Windozer · Sep 20, 2005, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by ambush

Looks like it.

Finally a politician with style.

The PQ members will vote for a new leader, and chances are André Boisclair will get the majority.

He's openly homosexual, and pro-mari.
And he's got good ideas. (I don't mind him being gay, as long as he has good ideas, as in INDEPENDANCE OF QUÉBEC).

We all are pretty confident the PQ will win the next elections, and then the referendum.

And we will be a free, French state in north america.

mauahahahah

I'm curious. When French-speaking people laugh, does it sound like "'a 'a 'a 'a?"

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Oisín

And hundreds upon thousands of straight politicians and high-ranking people in militaries, etc.

If an all-encompassing survey were done, I'm sure it would show that corruption is almost precisely equally common in straight and gay people.

But we're not talking about people. We're talking about politicians.

Obviously, sexuality has no bearing on normal people. However, would it be fair to say that sexuality has no effect on people who want to impose their politics on others? It's the mix of the two which I'm interested in.

Oisín · Sep 20, 2005, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

But we're not talking about people. We're talking about politicians.

Obviously, sexuality has no bearing on normal people. However, would it be fair to say that sexuality has no effect on people who want to impose their politics on others? It's the mix of the two which I'm interested in.

I'm quite sure it would. The desire, and more importantly, the chance, to impose one's politics tends to bring about more or less the same changes in most people, as far as I can tell. Corruption, greed, the crave for power, and the general untrustworthiness associated with politicians (rightly so, more often than not) are all sad side effects of these 'changes'.

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Oisín

I'm quite sure it would. The desire, and more importantly, the chance, to impose one's politics tends to bring about more or less the same changes in most people, as far as I can tell. Corruption, greed, the crave for power, and the general untrustworthiness associated with politicians (rightly so, more often than not) are all sad side effects of these 'changes'.

...and if you're somewhat different from the majority of the population, would this not bring about slightly different changes that could lead to an increase in corruption over and above the normal levels?

Dakar · Sep 20, 2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

...and if you're somewhat different from the majority of the population, would this not bring about slightly different changes that could lead to an increase in corruption over and above the normal levels?

Everybody's got a special interest. I just get the feeling you've got more a problem with this one than others.

Doofy · Sep 20, 2005, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Everybody's got a special interest. I just get the feeling you've got more a problem with this one than others.

Not really. I have an interest in all kinds of corruption which goes on in the halls of power. The gay politician thing is prominent simply because (1) it's what this thread is about and (2) we're recovering from a gay mayor's term here.

Oisín · Sep 20, 2005, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

...and if you're somewhat different from the majority of the population, would this not bring about slightly different changes that could lead to an increase in corruption over and above the normal levels?

Slightly different changes, yes. Leading to an increase in corruption and over and above the normal levels, no. I can't see why it should.

kmkkid · Sep 20, 2005, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

I can't believe we're actually having a conversation about whether or not gay men should be in office because they'll automatically be corrupt leaders.

If you believe that only the corrupt politicians have been gays then you can rot in hell with the rest of the ignorant jackbags who think what goes on in your bedroom is the one thing about a person that truly defines their character. Also, apparently people installing OS X on their PCs are going to hell, too, so tell them I said hi.

I've got OS X installed on my PC

But I don't believe all gay politicians are corrupt

. Where do I go? Purgatory?

kmkkid · Sep 20, 2005, 01:04 PM

The PQ are going to win the next election are they?

Recent Support polls Sept. 6-11 indicate:

40% Liberals
24% Conservatives
15% NDP
13% Bloc Quebecois

And liberal support is on the rise in the western provinces, which hasn't happened in a while.

Oooooooooooooooooook then.

yakkiebah · Sep 20, 2005, 01:51 PM

We almost had one too, Pim Fortuyn, pro-american and conservative but he got shot by a leftwing nut. (I guess only in the Netherlands?

)

Actually we have plenty of gays in our politics and most of them are on the fiscally conservative side.
(a bit like Simey

)

yakkiebah · Sep 20, 2005, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Peter Mandelson - twice sacked for corruption.
Ron Davies - caught with pants down on Clapham Common.
Nick Brown - caught with rent boy.

Oh. And Peter Tatchell.

Adolf Hitler was straight and a womanizer. Saddam is straight. And Stalin?
How many dicators are straight? I guess this proves... nothing?

Pendergast · Sep 20, 2005, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by PacHead

Quebec should be allowed to break free. Canada should then invade that place afterwards and immediately ban all use of the French language. French speaking people cause trouble no matter where they are located, be it in France or in Quebec. There is still hope for Canada.

En attendant tu peux manger un char de m...

ThinkInsane · Sep 20, 2005, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

We just bumped a gay mayor out of office.

He wanted gay pride marches through the streets. The public said "OK as long as we can have straight pride marches". He refused. Public not happy bunnies.

He dropped "Christmas" and went with "Winterfest". Public not happy bunnies.

He gave his $100,000 assistant's job to his "special friend". Public not happy bunnies.

Gay men and politics do not mix. Simey is the exception who proves the rule.

At least yours wasn't paying money and drugs to boink minors and setting the whole thing up on his city issued and taxpayer funded cell phone.

Pendergast · Sep 20, 2005, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mastrap

Give it a rest ambush. An independent Quebec doesn't make sense, politically, fiscally and ergonomically. Thankfully most Quebecois in a position of influence realize that.
The last time Quebec came close to splitting from the union, Montreal lost over 50% of it's business community and it's position of being the first city of Canada. What do you think is responsible for the rise of Toronto? Toronto is now the financial and business capital of Canada. An independent Quebec would be nothing but a stagnating backwater where the talented leave and others continue to dream a dream that never had chance of succeeding.

I think Toronto would have been Canada's economical center anyway, without the idea of independance.

About the bacwater thing, I think you should come and have a visit of Montreal; not that different than Toronto in many aspects, and poverty is also quite an issue for both cities.

Pendergast · Sep 20, 2005, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by acadian

Here we go again... speaking as one french-canadian to another, when will you wake up and realize that despite PQ propaganda to the contrary, you will not be better off on your own. Christ, even Levesque grudgingly admitted this in '76. The rest of the country will not enter into any reciprocity agreement with a sovereign Quebec and you will not survive without the transfer payments.

I agree, but that does not mean it is impossible.

I also agree that a "strong Quebec" goes though a "fort fait français au Canada".

On a besoin des acadiens comme ils ont besoin de nous autres. We need each other, even if we don't separate.