[art_director]

http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole

[Artful Dodger]

Oh is the thread where you just post a link with no direction or thought of your own...COOL. Well here I go:


http://www.getcheckmate.com/


oh and by the way this 'bout sums it up.....

WARNING: TO ANYONE JUST STARTING THIS THREAD. THIS IS A TOP CONTENDER FOR ALL-TIME USELESS THREAD HONORS. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, AS I HAVE, REGRETFULLY. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. NOTHING BUT FLAME BAIT

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

Oh is the the thread where you just post a link with no direction or thought of your own...COOL. Well here I go:


http://www.getcheckmate.com/


oh and by the way this 'bout sums it up.....

Pssst...your head is stuck up your ass, might want to pull it out.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by art_director

http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by art_director

Pssst...your head is stuck up your ass, might want to pull it out.

Did I not follow directions? Just following your lead. You've still got some crap on your eyebrows by the way.

[loki74]

Originally Posted by art_director

Pssst...your head is stuck up your ass, might want to pull it out.

Negative. Its your head and your ass. Remember rule 8?

Eighth rule of the Political Lounge: No posting and running. Give an opinion, your slant, anything in regards to what you're posting. Simply posting a news story and no context or direction is not conducive to fostering discussion. Avoid it.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by loki74

Negative. Its your head and your ass. Remember rule 8?

You want an opinion? Ok.

George Bush is a miserable leader. Why?

1. He appoints people to positions they are not suited for. Examples include "Brownie" of FEMA fame and Tom Ridge – a man so bad at building the DHS that it needs to be rebuilt again.

2. He awards defense contracts without a bidding process. Hell, the government can't even print a brochure wihtout a triple bid but our defense? C'mon.

3. He cut taxes to the wealthy while running up the national debt and increasing federal government spending. One need not see that more spending with less financial input makes for a disaster.

I'll stop here.

[art_director]

Oh, let me add that he's an a$$hole, as was the original intent. Well, that and a joke.

[loki74]

And neither you or your link provide any substantial evidence whatsoever. Just needless passion and repeated rhetoric.

If you want to have a real discussion, thats fine. But just basking in your hatred, and providing a link to allows others to do so as well? Get a blog.

To the original point of the thread: This sums nothing up. Sorry, try again.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by art_director

http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole

ALERT Rule #8 violation. Tell us what you think of this cartoon, please.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by loki74

And neither you or your link provide any substantial evidence whatsoever. Just needless passion and repeated rhetoric.

If you want to have a real discussion, thats fine. But just basking in your hatred, and providing a link to allows others to do so as well? Get a blog.

To the original point of the thread: This sums nothing up. Sorry, try again.

No links needed for common knowledge:

FEMA is / was a trainwreck after Katrina. Fact is 'Brownie' had no experience in the field. Want his resumé? I suggest Google. Don't think he failed? Ask residents of the Gulf Coast who were forgotten in the days immediately following the disaster.

Defense contracts being awarded without bidding has been widely reported –– again, no need for links, try Google.

Tax cuts and increased spending have also been highlighted in the press. Remember, Google is your friend.

Now, if you care to discuss the incompetence that is George Bush, fine. If you're just into a fling-it-over-your-shoulder response then try the Romper Room website.

[:dragonflypro:]

Ooooh, look…

Hyperbolic DNC talking points done in a Flash movie.

It has caused me to reconsider everything!

Bush may be a miserable leader… but the sheer number of crap the left wants to pin directly on his chest is patently absurd.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

Ooooh, look…

Hyperbolic DNC talking points done in a Flash movie.

It has caused me to reconsider everything!

Bush may be a miserable leader… but the sheer number of crap the left wants to pin directly on his chest is patently absurd.

From the Flash movie's page:

"Why do people assume I'm a democrat, or that this is a democratic party filmstrip? What is that about? I made this because it's funny and true. My main point when I first made this was a counter answer to all the spinning heads claiming "he's a really likable guy - and I was like... not he's not, he's an asshole."

[art_director]

Originally Posted by goMac

From the Flash movie's page:

"Why do people assume I'm a democrat, or that this is a democratic party filmstrip? What is that about? I made this because it's funny and true. My main point when I first made this was a counter answer to all the spinning heads claiming "he's a really likable guy - and I was like... not he's not, he's an asshole."

B-I-N-G-O-!

BTW, I'm no Dem either.

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by loki74

And neither you or your link provide any substantial evidence whatsoever. Just needless passion and repeated rhetoric.

If you want to have a real discussion, thats fine. But just basking in your hatred, and providing a link to allows others to do so as well? Get a blog.

To the original point of the thread: This sums nothing up. Sorry, try again.

well said.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by loki74

And neither you or your link provide any substantial evidence whatsoever. Just needless passion and repeated rhetoric.

If you want to have a real discussion, thats fine. But just basking in your hatred, and providing a link to allows others to do so as well? Get a blog.

To the original point of the thread: This sums nothing up. Sorry, try again.

...you could respond to the claims the Flash movie made...

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by art_director

Oh, let me add that he's an a$$hole, as was the original intent. Well, that and a joke.

That link was supposed to be a joke?? My link is much funnier.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

well said.

goMac pointed out that people could comment on claims made in the film. Also, I've made claims. So, despite how smart you feel, your posts in this thread have been little more than what you're spouting about.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

That link was supposed to be a joke?? My link is much funnier.

IOW, no, you have no position.

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by goMac

...you could respond to the claims the Flash movie made...

Loki could have responded to that sad attempt at propoganda but he/she knows better than that. Not everyone is a dumb fish that bites on every bait...especially when it's as obvious as this.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

Loki could have responded to that sad attempt at propoganda but he/she knows better than that. Not everyone is a dumb fish that bites on every bait...especially when it's as obvious as this.

The film made claims. Respond to them. Simple as that. So far neither you or Loki has said the claims are actually false.

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by art_director

IOW, no, you have no position.

How about 5 words?


great thread, btw

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by goMac

The film made claims. Respond to them. Simple as that. So far neither you or Loki has said the claims are actually false.

Tenacious fisherman.....you aren't going to fool anyone into political debate with that flash thing as your starting point.

I'm not blind enough to think that any discussion with that as its springboard would evolve into an enlightening symposium.

The 'film' itself does not back up its claims.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

Tenacious fisherman.....you aren't going to fool anyone into political debate with that flash thing as your starting point.

I'm not blind enough to think that any discussion with that as its springboard would evolve into an enlightening symposium.

The 'film' itself does not back up its claims.

So dispute the claims.

It's very funny, no Republican ever wants to argue about defending Bush anymore. They all want to argue about arguing instead.

[Artful Dodger]

I'm not a republican...so there goes your theory.

If you want to debate whether it is funny or not, then that's fine...go ahead....It was kinda funny. I thought the pics of Cheney were definitely amusing. 'They' really try to capture him as an evil evil evil man. The pics connoted that well. I would have used different music. However, I still think the link I posted was funnier. Did you check it out?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

If you want to debate whether it is funny or not, then that's fine...go ahead....It was kinda funny. I thought the pics of Cheney were definitely amusing. 'They' really try to capture him as an evil evil evil man. The pics connoted that well. I would have used different music. However, I still think the link I posted was funnier. Did you check it out?

And that text about how Halliburton won no contract bids and overcharged the government that was under those pictures? That was hilarious.

[Artful Dodger]

Originally Posted by art_director

goMac pointed out that people could comment on claims made in the film. Also, I've made claims. So, despite how smart you feel, your posts in this thread have been little more than what you're spouting about.

the more you post, the more confused I get.

[mojo2]

Did you notice this crap on the page for feedback? What a friggin JERK!

FILMSTRIPINTERNATIONAL.COM [ feedback page ]

home | feedback | send feedback | links | other filmstrips | bandwidth fund | store | download

For some reason, WhirledSpinDaily or some such, think we tricked Google - the term 'Google Bomb' was used, we were sent hundreds of hate emails. The only thing that sucks about this is that in their ignorance, they blame Jim Infantino and Jim's Big Ego. Jim didn't even write the song about Bush - he wrote it about an ex girlfriend or something. I created it from that song because I liked the song and it worked well this way, judging by it's popularity, I was right.

For the record, this site has been on the 1st page for a search for the word "Asshole" since October 2004 when we got almost a million hits. We did nothing to make that happen except put this on the web. The rest was mostly word of mouth and email - check the feedback. If you really want to knock us out of the top slot on google for the word asshole, start clicking the #2 and #3 listings. I can't endorse the content for #2 - but #3 Samurai Asshole is cool.

Finally, if you have a few bucks to donate to our bandwidth fund after you have given to the Red Cross relief for the people of New Orleans (and hopefully not Texas as well), we greatly appreciate it. If we raise more money than we need for bandwidth, we will donate the balance to the Red Cross for hurricane relief.

TYPICAL LIBERAL!

They ALWAYS have to make themselves a special little eliteist clique at the expense of others.

Even BEFORE the Rita disaster made thousands of good Texans (both conservative AND liberals and those who couldn't care less about politics) into refugees, the good people of Texas were ALSO affected somewhat by the Katrina disaster but even more importantly, it was good hearted TEXANS, of ALL stripes who opened their hearts and their homes to the needy Katrina victims.

This guy just SUKS! And art_director, you are perfectly in your element by promoting them. Little do you know how damning this is to your cause and how little your opinion is respected.

I guess you really ARE like Wile E Coyote...a loser who should just quit while he's BEHIND!

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Artful Dodger

I'm not a republican...so there goes your theory.

If you want to debate whether it is funny or not, then that's fine...go ahead....It was kinda funny. I thought the pics of Cheney were definitely amusing. 'They' really try to capture him as an evil evil evil man. The pics connoted that well. I would have used different music. However, I still think the link I posted was funnier. Did you check it out?

I did! And it is HILARIOUS!



Back in the "day," we used to sing this little marching song...

Ain't no use in goin home
Jody's got your girl and gone

Ain't no use in lookin back
Jody's got your Cadillac

Artful, do you think she's really, "taking her love to town?"

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by art_director

You want an opinion? Ok.

No. You obviously wanted to express one, but couldn't whether due to lack of substantive data to back your distaste for one man or an inability to express an opinion as evidenced by the below.

George Bush is a miserable leader. Why?

1. He appoints people to positions they are not suited for. Examples include "Brownie" of FEMA fame and Tom Ridge – a man so bad at building the DHS that it needs to be rebuilt again.

Who would you have chosen? Did you even hear of Brown prior to Katrina? Why does this concern you now?

2. He awards defense contracts without a bidding process. Hell, the government can't even print a brochure wihtout a triple bid but our defense? C'mon.

Did you hear this on NPR or at the press club luncheon or something? I think an education is in order for you;

A summary of defense contracts for the AirForce alone including the number of bids, the solicitation method, and the negotiation process including the companies involved. Very reputable firms I might add unless you happen to know someone who is personally building military capable aircraft.
CONTRACTS

AIR FORCE

McDonnell Douglas, San Antonio, Texas is being awarded an $182,692,000 fixed price with economic price adjustment contract modification to exercise option VII and option G for fiscal year 2006 KC-10 and KDC-10 contractor logistics support. This action supports foreign military sales of the KDC-10 ARS to the Netherlands. At this time, no funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by September 2006. The location of performance is McDonnell Douglas, San Antonio, Texas (57 percent), and General Electronic, Ontario, Calif. (43 percent). The Headquarters Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (F34601-98-C-0125/P00188).

Boeing Aerospace Operations, Oklahoma City, Okla., is being awarded a $43,924,000 time and material and firm fixed price contract modification to provide for contractor logistics support umbrella engineering support services provides sustaining and non-recurring services to support research and development, aircraft modifications, aircraft maintenance and technical services for Boeing commercial derivative military use aircraft. This effort supports foreign military to the Royal Netherlands Air Force. At this time, no funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by September 2006. The location of performance is Boeing, Midwest City, Okla. (45 percent), and Boeing, Wichita, Kan. (55 percent). The Headquarters Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (F34601-02-C-0003/P00015).

M7 Aerospace, San Antonio, Texas, is being awarded a $12,500,000 firm fixed price contract modification to exercise option IX under the contract for contractor logistics support for the C-26B aircraft for the Army National Guard and the RC-26B aircraft for Air National Guard, consisting of maintenance, repair and support functions fiscal year 2006. At this time, no funds have been obligated. This work will be complete by September 2005. Headquarters Oklahoma City Air Logistics Center, Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., is the contracting activity (F34601-97-C-0032/P00161).

Northrop Grumman Systems, Rolling Meadows, Ill., is being awarded a $6,000,000 time and materials contract to provide for engineering services to resolve obsolete part and vanishing vendor issues with the ALQ-155 system’s line replacement units and to increase the reliability and maintainability of the subassemblies in the line replacement units. At this time, $6,000,000 has been obligated. Electronic solicitations began in July 2005 with one firm solicited and one proposal received. Negotiations were complete September 2005. This work will be complete in March 2007. Headquarters Warner Robins Air Logistics Center, Robins Air Force Base, Ga., is the contracting activity (F09603-03-D-0002-0065).

ManTech SMA, South Falls Church, Va., is being awarded a $5,097,060 firm fixed price contract to provide for Joint Strike Fighter Systems security support services to provide integrated, full dimension security support allowing JSF to accomplish its critical mission of acquiring the next generation strike fighter for the United States Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, eight foreign partners and two foreign participants for one year base period, plus four one-year option periods. At this time, $1,300,000 has been obligated. Solicitations began in July 2005 with 12 solicited and two proposals received. Negotiations were complete in August 2005. This work will be complete in September 2006. The location of performance is various locations. Air Force District Washington Acquisition Division, Bolling Air Force Base, D.C., is the contracting activity (FA7012-05-C-0023).

NAVY

iRobot Corp., Burlington, Mass., is being awarded a $140,650, 000, firm fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity modification to previously awarded contract N00174-03-D-0003, to provide lifecycle support and spare parts for additional systems being procured under the Man Transportable Robotic System program. Award of the modification was based on an urgent and compelling need for these systems by forward-deployed troops in Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Work will be performed in Burlington, Mass., and is expected to be completed by October 2012. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Sea Systems Command, Indian Head Division, Indian Head, Md., is the contracting activity.

L3 Communications Vertex Aerospace LLC, Madison, Miss., is being awarded an estimated value $90,819,382 modification to a previously awarded fixed-price, cost-reimbursable, time and materials requirements contract (N00019-03-D-0010) to exercise an option for contractor logistics support for the T-45 training system. Work will be performed at the Naval Air Station (NAS) Kingsville, Texas (53 percent) and NAS Meridian, Miss. (47 percent), and is expected to be completed in September 2006. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.

CH2M Hill/VT Griffin Joint Venture, Pensacola, Fla., is being awarded $19,327,736 under a previously awarded combination firm-fixed price, indefinite-quantity contract (N62467-99-D-1006) to exercise Option 4 for facilities/environmental maintenance services at the Pensacola Naval Regional Complex. Work will be performed primarily at Naval Air Station, Pensacola, Fla. (92 percent); Naval Air Station Whiting Field, Milton, Fla. (3 percent); Naval Hospital Pensacola, Pensacola, Fla. (3 percent); and Naval Station Pascagoula, Pascagoula, Miss. (2 percent), and is expected to be completed September 2006. Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured with 62 proposals solicited, three offers received and award made to CH2M Hill/VT Griffin Joint Venture on March 19, 2002. The Resident Officer in Charge of Construction, Naval Facilities Engineering Command Field Office, Pensacola, Fla., is the contracting activity.

M.C. Dean, Inc., Chantilly, Va., is being awarded a $14,950,000 modification to a previously awarded indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity, firm-fixed-price contract (N65236-03-D-5127) for command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (C4ISR) and information technology services for planning, development, design, research, procurement, installation, testing, documentation, maintenance, and related C4ISR/IT engineering efforts. The cumulative value of this contract, including this modification, is $56,522,071. Work will be performed in the European and Central Regions, including Germany (75 percent); Balkans (12.5 percent); and other European and Central Region areas (12.5 percent), and is expected to be completed by March 2006. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured. The Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center, Charleston, S.C. is the contracting activity (N65236-03-D-5127).

Raytheon Co., Space and Airborne Systems, El Segundo, Calif., is being awarded a $10,649,722 modification to a previously awarded firm-fixed-price contract (N00019-03-C-0364) for nonrecurring engineering design and development efforts associated with engineering change proposal No. 04270510 titled “Laser Marker” for the F/A-18 Advanced Tactical Forward-Looking InfraRed (ATFLIR) pod. Work will be performed in El Segundo, Calif., and is expected to be completed in December 2006. Contract funds in the amount of $8,418,926 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity.

General Electric Aircraft Engines, Lynn, Mass., is being awarded a $5,046,849 priced order under an existing Basic Ordering Agreement (FA8104-05-G-0003) for procurement of fan stator assemblies used on the F-414 engine, powering the F/A-18 E/F aircraft. Work will be performed in Lynn, Mass., and is expected to be completed by February 2007. Contract funds will not expire before the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured. The Naval Inventory Control Point is the contracting activity. (Order GD54)

Belonger/Blinderman Joint Venture*, Waukegan, Ill., is being awarded a maximum amount of $5,000,000 guaranteed minimum of $25,000 (base period), firm-fixed price, indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity, design build multiple award construction contract (MACC). The work to be performed provides for maintenance and repair, and occasional new construction with design capability required. The Belonger/Blinderman Joint Venture will compete and negotiate on task orders on an individual basis with the two existing MACC contractors. This contract contains one one-year option period, which if exercised, will bring the total potential contract value to $25,000,000 for all three contractors. Work will be performed at Naval Station Great Lakes and within a 75-mile radius from Great Lakes. The term of the contract is not to exceed two years with an expected completion date of September 2006 (September 2007 with options). Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured through the Small Business Administration’s (SBA) 8(a) Program via the NAVFAC e-solicitation website with 11 offers received. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Midwest, Great Lakes, Ill., is the contracting activity (N40083-05-D-4009).

DEFENSE LOGISTICS AGENCY

Wellco Enterprises, Inc., Waynesville, N.C., * is being awarded a maximum $17,356,929 fixed price with economic price adjustment for boots for Army and Air Force. The other location of performance is Aguadilla, Puerto Rico. Proposals were Web-solicited and four responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is an indefinite quantity/delivery type contract exercising its 2nd term option. The performance completion date is September 22, 2006. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa. (SP0100-03-D-0372).

Altama Delta Corp., Atlanta, Ga., * is being awarded a maximum $11,171,037 fixed price with economic price adjustment for boots for Army and Air Force. The other location of performance is Lexington, Tenn. Proposals were Web-solicited and four responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is an indefinite quantity/delivery type contract exercising its 2nd term option. The performance completion date is September 22, 2006. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa. (SP0100-03-D-0373).

Belleville Shoe Mfg. Co., Belleville, Ill., * is being awarded a maximum $8,985,231 fixed price with economic price adjustment for boots for Army and Air Force. The other location of performance is Dewitt, Alaska. Proposals were Web-solicited and four responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is an indefinite quantity/delivery type contract exercising its 2nd term option. The performance completion date is September 22, 2006. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa. (SP0100-03-D-0374).

McRae Industries, Inc., Mr. Gilead, N.C., is being awarded a maximum $18,581,706 fixed price with economic price adjustment for boots for Army and Air Force. Proposals were Web-solicited and four responded. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is an indefinite quantity/delivery type contract exercising its 2nd term option. The performance completion date is September 22, 2006. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa. (SP0100-03-D-0371).

3. He cut taxes to the wealthy while running up the national debt and increasing federal government spending. One need not see that more spending with less financial input makes for a disaster.

He cut taxes across the board for all, including lower and middle class. Quoting a source I thought you'd appreciate; The World Socialist Web Site

...the vast majority of Democratic senators and congressmen voted with the Republicans to approve a $146 billion tax cut bill proposed by the White House.
*As an aside, the wealthy comprise the lion-share of employers in this country. Unless you know of some successful entrepeneurs at poverty-level, perhaps you should re-think some of your views. Across the board tax cuts benefit all and the debt to GDP is lower under Bush than during the Clinton Administration. You know this right? I'd rather you were simply ignorant than toeing a party line, but I have my suspicions.

I'll stop here.

Probably a good idea.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Who would you have chosen? Did you even hear of Brown prior to Katrina? Why does this concern you now?

Because it is public money?

[nredman]

Originally Posted by art_director

http://www.filmstripinternational.com/index.php?asshole

i enjoyed the video, song was kind of cool too

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Because it is public money?

So... you're cool with the tax you're still paying on the Spanish-American war or is this recent concern over Brown just another disingenuous political exploitation? Brown's gone, I'm cool with that. I'm not going to pretend that I care now because I didn't care prior. If you were really honest about it, you'd admit the same.

[Pendergast]

If I am participating to the process of electing a government, I am also taking responsibility for who they hire.

If the people either lie or are put in position because of their friendship rather than their competencies, I have a right to be mad about it.

The disingenuity is when we look elsewhere when we know it is happening and deny it's importance.

Would you let a postman perform heart surgery on you? No, unless he is also a surgeon. Brown did not have the qualifications to do the job, partly because he lied, and partly because he got the job for political reason.

Pardon the funny phrasing, but such situations are "recipes for disaster".

As a citizen of your country, whether you are liberal or republican, you should care, because these are the people you trust to care for your survival in situations such as Katrina and Rita.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Would you let a potsman perform heart surgery on you? No, unless he is also a surgeon.

Somehow, I doubt THIS potsman ^ is also a surgeon.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Who would you have chosen?

Someone a lot more qualified than that clown.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...103003,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9266986/

http://www.fema.gov/about/bios/brown.shtm

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

If I am participating to the process of electing a government, I am also taking responsibility for who they hire.

If the people either lie or are put in position because of their friendship rather than their competencies, I have a right to be mad about it.

The disingenuity is when we look elsewhere when we know it is happening and deny it's importance.

Would you let a potsman perform heart surgery on you? No, unless he is also a surgeon. Brown did not have the qualifications to do the job, partly because he lied, and partly because he got the job for political reason.

Pardon the funny phrasing, but such situations are "recipes for disaster".

As a citizen of your country, whether you are liberal or republican, you should care, because these are the people you trust to care for your survival in situations such as Katrina and Rita.

Pardon my frivolity. I enjoy words and the obvious typo spelled a word that made me smile and so I followed that muse to it's illogical conclusion. I don't expect the image will last long as it was found at a free hosting site and they usually remove the link quickly.

Anyway, you are right. However, there is a lot to be said for someone being allowed a mistake or maybe two (depending on the circumstances).

This lets the person grow from that bad experience. It lets them know they needn't live on pins and needles in constant fear of their job, so they might perform at their best. It sends a message to the rest of the staff that the boss is loyal and in turn they will develop a fierce loyalty for the boss. And this can raise the level of performance of all concerned.

Think, if you will a moment, of how WELL GWB was raised.

His mother must have been a SUPERB mom.

George was obviously not as book smart as maybe other kids, he may have had his characteristic "way" with words early on. We know, from the stories of his youthful partying and other stories, that he may not have been the most serious young man.

These characteristics might not suggest great leadership because a different kind of upbringing might stunt the development of a child like that and emotionally wound him for life.

From what we see of HIS leadership style, giving support and loyalty to his staff DESPITE their shortcomings, one can better appreciate how well he was loved and supported to become the man he is today.

Is there a thing called being loyal to a fault? Yes. And I think the President may have learned that with the FEMA situation. And this may not be a lesson he'd have learned in a book, but it is an important lesson and let's keep this in our mental hard drives and see if he does it again.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by ebuddy

No. You obviously wanted to express one, but couldn't whether due to lack of substantive data to back your distaste for one man or an inability to express an opinion as evidenced by the below.

Did you hear this on NPR or at the press club luncheon or something? I think an education is in order for you;

A summary of defense contracts for the AirForce alone including the number of bids, the solicitation method, and the negotiation process including the companies involved. Very reputable firms I might add unless you happen to know someone who is personally building military capable aircraft.

You seem to have overlooked this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in551091.shtml

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

Someone a lot more qualified than that clown.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...103003,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9266986/

http://www.fema.gov/about/bios/brown.shtm

Mrjinglesusa, I'm not directing this AT you but am merely using your post as a vehicle for stating this opinion:

What you say MAY be true. If ANYONE HERE, is serious about your concern for the level of performance of the government officials in whom we trust our lives and rely on to do the best possible jobs, might I suggest you start reviewing ALL their resumes NOW instead of waiting until AFTER THE FACT to begin your bitching, which is terribly ineffectual.

Unless you just enjoy bitching and whining like a...

Well, you get my drift.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Mrjinglesusa

You seem to have overlooked this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in551091.shtml

No, I didn't. You may do well with some education as well and I'll tell ya why. You have 3 sub-contractors in town and you want one to build you the best possible house in the most effective way. You've got Sub-contractor A who is foreign-based and you're not really certain about their integrity. You've got Sub-contractor B who has done some contracting work, but has nowhere near the resources nor experience, then you have sub-contractor C. Sub-contractor C is the "who's who" of building construction and has contacts and resources well outside the normal everyday simpleton contract work. I mean, these guys not only build your house, but handle your well water and sewage and landscape architecture all in one shot. They use state-of-the-art equipment and have a proven track record of success. I'm going with Sub-contractor C. From your article;

"Under normal circumstances, the Army Corps of Engineers would have been required to put the oil fire contract out for competitive bidding. But in times of emergency, when national security is involved, the government is allowed to bypass normal procedures and award contracts to a single company, without competition. "

Exhibit A, nothing illegal here.

"We are the only company in the United States that had the kind of systems in place, people in place, contracts in place, to do that kind of thing,” says Chuck Dominy, Halliburton’s vice president for government affairs and its chief lobbyist on Capitol Hill.

He says the Pentagon came to Halliburton because the company already had an existing contract with the Army to provide logistical support to U.S. troops all over the world.

“Let me put a face on Halliburton. It's one of the world's largest energy services companies, and it has a strong engineering and construction arm that goes with that” says Dominy.

“You'll find us in 120 countries. We've got 83,000 people on our payroll, and we're involved in a ton of different things for a lot of wonderful clients worldwide.”

“They had assets prepositioned,” says Anderson. “They had capability to reach out and get sub-contractors to do the various types of work that might be required in a hostile situation.”

“You help build base camps. You provide goods, laundry, power, sewage, all the kinds of things that keep an army in place in a field operation,” says Dominy.

“Young soldiers have said to me, ‘If I go to war, I want to go to war with Brown & Root.’"

This is sub-contractor C my friend.

[spacefreak]

Originally Posted by mojo2

... might I suggest you start reviewing ALL their resumes NOW instead of waiting until AFTER THE FACT to begin your bitching.

Yup. I don't recall any gripes when Brown was promoted to head FEMA.

You don't want the left to do actual work, do you? Besides, without all the bitching and whining and complaining, many on the left would have absolutely nothing to say.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Yup. I don't recall any gripes when Brown was promoted to head FEMA.

You don't want the left to do actual work, do you? Besides, without all the bitching and whining and complaining, many on the left would have absolutely nothing to say.