[Cody Dawg]

I hope George Bush understands now why LOCKING the borders down - ALL OF THEM - is a good thing: 23 innocent AMERICANS dead...

Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver.

The company that hired him should be prosecuted also:

There was no comment Monday from the bus company, Global Limo Inc. of Pharr. Its telephone had been disconnected.

In fact, ALL companies should be held responsible for knowingly hiring illegals.

[thunderous_funker]

"locking the borders"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Cody Dawg]

Well, whatever you want to call it.

The government should definitely NOT continue to have thir lax attitude of "Who cares if they're coming in...maybe we should let them come in to work and play."

[thunderous_funker]

Lax?

You apparently have given very little thought to how much $$ and manpower go into border security.

The fact that our efforts are not fully effective is not a measure of our lack of efffort, but an indication of the impossibility of the task.

[production_coordinator]

Because we all know how well Clinton secured our borders... he just moved the jobs to Mexico and Canada

[thunderous_funker]

Originally Posted by production_coordinator

Because we all know how well Clinton secured our borders... he just moved the jobs to Mexico and Canada

Which isn't a bad strategy, if the goal is to prevent illegal migration.

Mexicans aren't risking life and limb to come the US for the weather. They come here for jobs. Policies that create good jobs in Mexico are not a bad idea.

The fact is, that the US spends almost $0 on tracking down and punishing companies that hire illegals. Like many other issues, the solution is NOT a question of supply but of demand. Without attacking demand, all the supply side "solutions" will just be a waste of time/money/lives.

[SpaceMonkey]

'Cause U.S.-citizens are better qualified to drive a bus?

Also:

From the beginning, investigators have focused on the condition of the bus brakes. A motorist told investigators he motioned the driver to pull over shortly after seeing a rear wheel hub that was glowing red.

The Texas Department of Public Safety has said that the bus' right rear brakes failed because of the loss of bearings, and that the left rear brakes were "not maintained in good working order."

So it would appear that it was not entirely the driver's fault.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

'Cause U.S.-citizens are better qualified to drive a bus?

Also:



So it would appear that it was not entirely the driver's fault.

The company who made the bus must be fuuuuuuuull of illegal immigrants.

Damn wild uncontroled capitalism!

I bet the near future will bring computers made and ran by illegal immigrants!

[James L]

While I agree with charging the dude as appropriate, there are sh*ty drivers from EVERY nation... being an illegal has little to do with driving ability.

Pretty thin connection if you ask me Cody... how hard would it be to find links to countless traffic related deaths caused by Americans who can't drive?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

'Cause U.S.-citizens are better qualified to drive a bus?

Also:

So it would appear that it was not entirely the driver's fault.

[DEVILSADVOCATE]A US driver would have known the bus had faulty bearings and taken corrective action.[/DEVILSADVOCATE]

Seriously, the immigration issue is something that's ignored too much by this administration. I don't have the answers, but I do know that if the Mexican government could provide a better quality of government for their citizens we wouldn't have this problem of people entering the country illegally for minimum wage jobs.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

The company who made the bus must be fuuuuuuuull of illegal immigrants.

Damn wild uncontroled capitalism!

I bet the near future will bring computers made and ran by illegal immigrants!

Yet another knee-jerk reaction on your part. Do you even think at all when hitting the reply button?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by thunderous_funker

Policies that create good jobs in Mexico are not a bad idea.

That's the Mexican goverment's job, not ours. And as long as they are let completely off the hook via the escape valve of thier poorest citizens fleeing to the US, there's no incentive for them to improve their own system what-so-ever.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

That's the Mexican goverment's job, not ours. And as long as they are let completely off the hook via the escape valve of thier poorest citizens fleeing to the US, there's no incentive for them to improve their own system what-so-ever.

Very true.

[UNTeMac]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

I hope George Bush understands now why LOCKING the borders down - ALL OF THEM - is a good thing: 23 innocent AMERICANS dead...

Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver.

The company that hired him should be prosecuted also:



In fact, ALL companies should be held responsible for knowingly hiring illegals.

Just what the hell does him being a Mexican immigrant have to do with his driving ability?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by UNTiMac

Just what the hell does him being a Mexican immigrant have to do with his driving ability?

She added it in the same context that CNN did. Simply as fact and a little background on the continuing issue of people illegally entering the country:

... The charges against Juan Robles Gutierrez, a 37-year-old Mexican national, were forwarded to District Attorney Bill Hill, Sgt. Don Peritz said.

Robles was taken into federal custody on an immigration violation five days after the September 23 explosion near Dallas. ...

Maybe you should ask them as well?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Railroader

She added it in the same context that CNN did. Simply as fact and a little background on the continuing issue of people illegally entering the country:

Maybe you should ask them as well?

No she didn't. She implied causality:

Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver.

The CNN article did not.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

That's the Mexican goverment's job, not ours. And as long as they are let completely off the hook via the escape valve of thier poorest citizens fleeing to the US, there's no incentive for them to improve their own system what-so-ever.

You don't think the Mexican government was involved in drafting NAFTA?

I'm not really advocating NAFTA as a good thing or even the best solution to the immigration problem. I merely brought it up in response to the half-arsed comment about Clinton creating jobs in Mexico.

Botttom line: until we do something about the demand for illegal labor, no amount of money or manpower will close the border.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Yet another knee-jerk reaction on your part. Do you even think at all when hitting the reply button?

Read more like a joke to me...

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

That's the Mexican goverment's job, not ours. And as long as they are let completely off the hook via the escape valve of thier poorest citizens fleeing to the US, there's no incentive for them to improve their own system what-so-ever.

Not really. As American citizens are being adversely affected by the influx of illegal Mexican immigrants it is most certainly the responsibility of our government to do something about it. If the most effective way that we can stop illegal immigration from Mexico is to pursue policies that encourage the growth of the Mexican economy then that's exactly what we should do.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Yet another knee-jerk reaction on your part. Do you even think at all when hitting the reply button?

Are YOU an illegal immigrant?

Back on topic, I was merely pushing the enveloppe to demonstrate the absurdity of the situations and the reactions of people so far in this thread.

[kmkkid]

Yes. Please lock off the Canadian borders, I'm sick of ****wit americans drinking underage and getting rowdy here.

We'll still trade, by AIR & SHIP!! Oh!!! Wait!!! that's how a lot of immigrants get into the U.S., you'd better just cut off all ties with the outside world, shrivle up, and die.


Muahahahah. ahahaha. ahaha. aha.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Muahahahah. ahahaha. ahaha. aha.

(echo)

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by thunderous_funker

Botttom line: until we do something about the demand for illegal labor, no amount of money or manpower will close the border.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we need to track down and punish companies that hire illegals. That would stop the incentives for coming here, and would help force necessary change in Mexico.

But it's not up to the US government -or more accurately, the US taxpayer- directly to create 'good jobs in Mexico'. That’s a task the Mexican government must do, but has lacked the incentive to bother with. It's up to the Mexican people to demand change of their own corrupt officials and system. But that won’t happen en masse so long as the ‘pressure valve’ of illegal immigration remains open.

The US taking a hard-line stance against the influx of illegals and aggressively going after the industries that hire them are the only policies that will indirectly 'create better jobs in Mexico' by shutting off the pressure escape valve their corrupt politicians enjoy that keeps them from ever having to deal with pressure for change from their citizens. If that's the kind of policy you're talking about, then we're in complete agreement.

A good start would be a two-pronged approach. Do everything humanly possible to physically police the border and stop illegals from entering at the source, coupled with aggressively punishing and shutting down businesses that actively hire illegals. Eventually both would dry up. Mexicans without the option of ‘escaping’ to the US to the delight and ease of pressure on their own corrupt government, would begin to demand better opportunities in their own country in ways that their corrupt officials would then have a lot harder time ignoring.

Currently, the US government fails miserably to do either of these, and as a result perpetuates greater poverty in Mexico. So long as we continue this, and we have misguided people in the US actively cheerleading to allow the pressure valve to remain open- and in fact even widen it by advocating citizen-like privileges awarded to illegals that only make their exploitation easier- corrupt US businesses will keep on hiring them, and corrupt Mexican officials will keep enjoying their Scott-free status and never be forced to implement change, let alone create any policies that bring better jobs.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Are YOU an illegal immigrant?

No, I thought we established that. My family's Hispanic origins are completely legal. So is the Irish side of my family. And the tiny bit that's Dutch and English.

Can you drop this little obsession you have with my ancestors now? I swear, between you and tRolling Bones, (and a couple other people on here) I'd think you guys were the most OCD people I had ever seen.

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Yes. Please lock off the Canadian borders, I'm sick of ****wit americans drinking underage and getting rowdy here.

I agree. but don't worry, a lot of them are caught at the border and arrested for drunken driving or minor in possesion.

What I'd like to see stopped is the Canadians coming over here and shopping and avoiding taxes at the Canadian border. When I worked retail nearly every Canadian asked me to make a fake receipt for their purchases so they could avoid taxes. Seems like all Canadians I rang up purchases for were are tax evading crooks. I know all Canadians aren't like that, I have a few Canadian friends who immigrated to the USA who are not like that.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

No she didn't. She implied causality:

The CNN article did not.

No, she did not. She simply added details like CNN did. If she was implying causality she would have written: "Because he was an illegal Mexican" not "Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver." See the difference?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Railroader

No, she did not. She simply added details like CNN did. If she was implying causality she would have written: "Because he was an illegal Mexican" not "Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver." See the difference?

That's what she did! I'll take a broader quote for you:

I hope George Bush understands now why LOCKING the borders down - ALL OF THEM - is a good thing: 23 innocent AMERICANS dead...

Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver.

See the line of thinking? She makes a direct connection between the 23 dead Americans and the failure to lock down the border, implying that the reason the passengers died was because the driver was an illegal immigrant. If you're not getting this, I can't help but think that you're being deliberately obtuse.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

That's what she did! I'll take a broader quote for you:

See the line of thinking? She makes a direct connection between the 23 dead Americans and the failure to lock down the border, implying that the reason the passengers died was because the driver was an illegal immigrant. If you're not getting this,

I can't help but think that you're being deliberately obtuse.

And I think you're being obtuse to my viewpoint that she was doing the same thing as CNN and yet you give them pass. It is very telling.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Railroader

And I think you're being obtuse to my viewpoint that she was doing the same thing as CNN and yet you give them pass. It is very telling.

A relevant passage from the CNN article:

DALLAS, Texas (AP) -- The driver of the bus that caught fire while carrying elderly patients fleeing Hurricane Rita has been charged with criminal negligent homicide in the deaths of 23 passengers, a spokesman for the Dallas County Sheriff's Department said Monday.

The charges against Juan Robles Gutierrez, a 37-year-old Mexican national, were forwarded to District Attorney Bill Hill, Sgt. Don Peritz said.

Robles was taken into federal custody on an immigration violation five days after the September 23 explosion near Dallas.

Peritz would not give specific examples of illegal actions by Robles, saying details would be released if he is indicted.

"The bus is under his care, custody and control and so is every one on board," he said. "Safe transportation from the nursing home to the final destination is his responsibility. Based on the end result, he failed in that responsibility."

Compared to Cody's post:

I hope George Bush understands now why LOCKING the borders down - ALL OF THEM - is a good thing: 23 innocent AMERICANS dead...

Because of an illegal Mexican bus driver.

See the difference? The CNN article mentions is status as an illegal immigrant in passing, never suggesting that it was the cause of his negligence. According to Cody's post, they are one and the same, for to say otherwise would mean admitting that locking down the border would have done nothing to prevent the tragedy.

[nonhuman]

Wait, where does it say in that article that the driver was an illegal immigrant? I just read it through carefully and it doesn't say that anywhere. It says he's a Mexican national, but the fact that it doesn't specifically say he's an illegal immigrant makes me suspect he's probably a legal one. We do get those too, you know.

[Rolling Bones]

Originally Posted by Railroader

No, I thought we established that. My family's Hispanic origins are completely legal. So is the Irish side of my family. And the tiny bit that's Dutch and English.

Can you drop this little obsession you have with my ancestors now? I swear, between you and tRolling Bones, (and a couple other people on here) I'd think you guys were the most OCD people I had ever seen.

I agree. but don't worry, a lot of them are caught at the border and arrested for drunken driving or minor in possesion.

What I'd like to see stopped is the Canadians coming over here and shopping and avoiding taxes at the Canadian border. When I worked retail nearly every Canadian asked me to make a fake receipt for their purchases so they could avoid taxes. Seems like all Canadians I rang up purchases for were are tax evading crooks. I know all Canadians aren't like that, I have a few Canadian friends who immigrated to the USA who are not like that.

You are so full off bullsh!t your skin is brown.

A straight up liar again. Please stop.

No one I know even wants to cross the border from Canada.

Fcuk you're

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

You are so full off bullsh!t your skin is brown.

A straight up liar again. Please stop.

No one I know even wants to cross the border from Canada.

Fcuk you're

Nope, it's simply a good tan. You should get outside once in a while. Might do your mental health a little good. It's obvious you need something.

I'm telling the truth no matter how much you deny it.

Although I no longer work in the retail field, I see about half as many Ontario plates on my daily drive to work as I see Michigan plates. Your countrymen are coming here by the thousands daily. They like to shop here due to a current favorable exchange rate and lower taxes (that is when they are illegally evading them that is).

Oh, and could you tell them that the left lane is for passing only, thanks.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Wait, where does it say in that article that the driver was an illegal immigrant? I just read it through carefully and it doesn't say that anywhere. It says he's a Mexican national, but the fact that it doesn't specifically say he's an illegal immigrant makes me suspect he's probably a legal one. We do get those too, you know.

You need to work on your reading comprehension skilz then. From the CNN article:

... The charges against Juan Robles Gutierrez, a 37-year-old Mexican national, were forwarded to District Attorney Bill Hill, Sgt. Don Peritz said.

Robles was taken into federal custody on an immigration violation five days after the September 23 explosion near Dallas. ...

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Nope, it's simply a good tan. You should get outside once in a while. Might do your mental health a little good. It's obvious you need something.

I'm telling the truth no matter how much you deny it.

Although I no longer work in the retail field, I see about half as many Ontario plates on my daily drive to work as I see Michigan plates. Your countrymen are coming here by the thousands daily. They like to shop here due to a current favorable exchange rate and lower taxes (that is when they are illegally evading them that is).

Oh, and could you tell them that the left lane is for passing only, thanks.

Oh come on, almost everyone crosses the border trying to hide something they've bought, whether it be fruit, tabacco, alcohol, animals etc... Some of the border laws are just plain dumb. I do, however, always pay my taxes when crossing back, mostly because I'm usually walking and not in a car or I would try to avoid paying. Who doesnt want to save a buck or two?

[Gee-Man]

"Lock down the borders"? Pfft, like that's gonna stop anyone. If I wanna get through a locked-down border, all I have to do is hire this guy:



Problem solved.

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by Gee-Man

"Lock down the borders"? Pfft, like that's gonna stop anyone. If I wanna get through a locked-down border, all I have to do is hire this guy:



Problem solved.

Or simply walk across it somewhere in the countryside.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Railroader

You need to work on your reading comprehension skilz then. From the CNN article:

Yes, he was taken into custody for an immigration violation on Sept. 28 while the incident in the article occurred on Oct. 17. If he were an illegal immigrant and had been taken into custody he would not still be in Texas driving a bus 3 weeks later.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Can you drop this little obsession you have with my ancestors now? I swear, between you and tRolling Bones, (and a couple other people on here) I'd think you guys were the most OCD people I had ever seen.

Sounds like this is your OCD: I never brushed the issue of your origins and could not care less actually whether you are illegal; immigrant or straight from The Garden of Eden's appletree.

The wink at the end of the sentence was meant as a joke.

[Rolling Bones]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Although I no longer work in the retail field, I see about half as many Ontario plates on my daily drive to work as I see Michigan plates. Your countrymen are coming here by the thousands daily. They like to shop here due to a current favorable exchange rate and lower taxes (that is when they are illegally evading them that is).

Oh, and could you tell them that the left lane is for passing only, thanks.

A lot of those Ontario plates you see are Americans who moved across the border to be safer. just like me I prefer Ontario to Living in Michigan...which is a sh!thole.

And tell you're buddies who come over here to use their turn singles.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Oh come on, almost everyone crosses the border trying to hide something they've bought, whether it be fruit, tabacco, alcohol, animals etc... Some of the border laws are just plain dumb. I do, however, always pay my taxes when crossing back, mostly because I'm usually walking and not in a car or I would try to avoid paying. Who doesnt want to save a buck or two?

Save a buck or two?!?! On $1000 worth of purchase what is the tax burden?

Those laws are there for a reason. Tax evasion is on of those laws people think is a victimless crime, but just ask the government. It's a MAJOR crime.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Pendergast

Sounds like this is your OCD: I never brushed the issue of your origins and could not care less actually whether you are illegal; immigrant or straight from The Garden of Eden's appletree.

The wink at the end of the sentence was meant as a joke.

Then why start now? You're right, it am a bit sensetive about people making racist comments. Are you one of those guys who thinks racist jokes (which are in essence steoeotyping) are acceptable in society?

Can I say any insulting/implying thing I want as long as I add a smiley? Does that make it OK?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Yes, he was taken into custody for an immigration violation on Sept. 28 while the incident in the article occurred on Oct. 17. If he were an illegal immigrant and had been taken into custody he would not still be in Texas driving a bus 3 weeks later.

Yeah cause he never would have make the trek back to the USA to get his job back now would he. /SARCASM] Try again. He was still here illegally. He violated the law a second time when he either didn't leave when originally arrested or when he came back.

We don't jail all illegal immigrants here, we (usuallu) send them back to their country of origin.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Rolling Bones

A lot of those Ontario plates you see are Americans who moved across the border to be safer. just like me I prefer Ontario to Living in Michigan...which is a sh!thole.

And tell you're buddies who come over here to use their turn singles.

No they're not. You are silly.

You've obviously never been to Michigan. Your ignorance is astounding.

Where do you live? I'm going to guess Montreal.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Or simply walk across it somewhere in the countryside.

How about a tunnel in the middle of nowhere? http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/21/border.tunnel/

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Yeah cause he never would have make the trek back to the USA to get his job back now would he. /SARCASM] Try again. He was still here illegally. He violated the law a second time when he either didn't leave when originally arrested or when he came back.

We don't jail all illegal immigrants here, we (usuallu) send them back to their country of origin.

You're making some pretty big assumptions there. All we know is: he is a Mexican national, he at some point was taken into custody for some sort of immigration violation, he was still in the US 3 weeks after being taken into custody, and he was working.

Yes it's possible that he was deported and came right back. It's also possible that the immigration violation was just some problem with the paperwork for his visa and that once that was cleared up he was free to continue living legally in the US. The fact that he was referred to as a 'Mexican national' suggests that he is here legally as it would have been a bigger news story if he was an illegal immigrant so you'd think they would have mentioned it.

There is absolutely nothing in that article that shows him to be here illegally. There are plenty of legal immigrants from Mexico to the US, and there are plenty of legal resident aliens from Mexico here as well. Until someone actually turns up some evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to think that he doesn't fit into one of those two legal categories.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/10/17/rita.busfire.ap/index.html][b]I hope George Bush understands now why LOCKING the borders down - ALL OF THEM - is a good thing:

And watch the cost of living in the US skyrocket.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Nope, it's simply a good tan. You should get outside once in a while. Might do your mental health a little good. It's obvious you need something.

I'm telling the truth no matter how much you deny it.

Although I no longer work in the retail field, I see about half as many Ontario plates on my daily drive to work as I see Michigan plates. Your countrymen are coming here by the thousands daily. They like to shop here due to a current favorable exchange rate and lower taxes (that is when they are illegally evading them that is).

Oh, and could you tell them that the left lane is for passing only, thanks.

You don't like foreign interests contributing to your economy? Why don't you try asking Michigan businesses to turn away Canadian clients? Did you ask your manager to turn away Canadain business when you were working retail?

[thunderous_funker]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE

I agree with you wholeheartedly that we need to track down and punish companies that hire illegals. That would stop the incentives for coming here, and would help force necessary change in Mexico.

But it's not up to the US government -or more accurately, the US taxpayer- directly to create 'good jobs in Mexico'. That’s a task the Mexican government must do, but has lacked the incentive to bother with. It's up to the Mexican people to demand change of their own corrupt officials and system. But that won’t happen en masse so long as the ‘pressure valve’ of illegal immigration remains open.

The US taking a hard-line stance against the influx of illegals and aggressively going after the industries that hire them are the only policies that will indirectly 'create better jobs in Mexico' by shutting off the pressure escape valve their corrupt politicians enjoy that keeps them from ever having to deal with pressure for change from their citizens. If that's the kind of policy you're talking about, then we're in complete agreement.

A good start would be a two-pronged approach. Do everything humanly possible to physically police the border and stop illegals from entering at the source, coupled with aggressively punishing and shutting down businesses that actively hire illegals. Eventually both would dry up. Mexicans without the option of ‘escaping’ to the US to the delight and ease of pressure on their own corrupt government, would begin to demand better opportunities in their own country in ways that their corrupt officials would then have a lot harder time ignoring.

Currently, the US government fails miserably to do either of these, and as a result perpetuates greater poverty in Mexico. So long as we continue this, and we have misguided people in the US actively cheerleading to allow the pressure valve to remain open- and in fact even widen it by advocating citizen-like privileges awarded to illegals that only make their exploitation easier- corrupt US businesses will keep on hiring them, and corrupt Mexican officials will keep enjoying their Scott-free status and never be forced to implement change, let alone create any policies that bring better jobs.

Great post.

I would only add one thing: it will also take the participation of the US public in the form of being willing to accept the negative consequences of both of these changes in policy.

Since illegal labor is arguably the largest single subsidy to the agriculture biz in this country, Americans getting serious about illegal immigration will involve accepting the considerable increase in consumer prices.

Agribiz isn't the only sector, but its the largest.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

You don't like foreign interests contributing to your economy? Why don't you try asking Michigan businesses to turn away Canadian clients? Did you ask your manager to turn away Canadain business when you were working retail?

Did I say that, no I did not. Here's what I said:

Originally Posted by Railroader

What I'd like to see stopped is the Canadians coming over here and shopping and avoiding taxes at the Canadian border.

I bolded the bit at the end for emphasis this time.

I welcome all Ontario shoppers. All Canadian shoppers. Please, spend your money here instead of Canada. But, make sure you obey the laws of your country when you go back. They are basically thieves when they do this. That's the kind of person I can't stand from ANY country. I just happened to experience more who were from Canada while working retail.

Really, it's a problem you guys should be dealing with. But, trying to be a good neighbor to our friends up North, I am sympathizing with your country's problems of it's citizens committing tax evasion.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

You're making some pretty big assumptions there. All we know is: he is a Mexican national, he at some point was taken into custody for some sort of immigration violation, he was still in the US 3 weeks after being taken into custody, and he was working.

Yes it's possible that he was deported and came right back. It's also possible that the immigration violation was just some problem with the paperwork for his visa and that once that was cleared up he was free to continue living legally in the US. The fact that he was referred to as a 'Mexican national' suggests that he is here legally as it would have been a bigger news story if he was an illegal immigrant so you'd think they would have mentioned it.

There is absolutely nothing in that article that shows him to be here illegally. There are plenty of legal immigrants from Mexico to the US, and there are plenty of legal resident aliens from Mexico here as well. Until someone actually turns up some evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to think that he doesn't fit into one of those two legal categories.

You make your assumptions, I'll go with the actual text.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Railroader

I welcome all Ontario shoppers. All Canadian shoppers. Please, spend your money here instead of Canada. But, make sure you obey the laws of your country when you go back. They are basically thieves when they do this. That's the kind of person I can't stand from ANY country. I just happened to experience more who were from Canada while working retail.

Really, it's a problem you guys should be dealing with. But, trying to be a good neighbor to our friends up North, I am sympathizing with your country's problems of it's citizens committing tax evasion.

Do you understand the tax laws of our country?
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/newsroom/fa...velling-e.html

It's certainly impressive that Americans don't try to evade the taxes of their country
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/...326evasion.htm