[Ozmodiar]

Oh wait...never mind.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/stor...684&page=1

Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.

Excellent. Brainwashing kids to hate everyone who's different, and then reaping all the profits. Good plan!!

[Dork.]

[iLikebeer]

Mary Kate and Ashley look like monkeys.
These girls though, the one on the right is going to get fat soon and the one on the left looks like she's headed down the path of looking like a "weathered", skanky, white trash girl. No worries about them taking over the charts.

[OSX Abuser]

Lets only help the white children

[Railroader]

The kids aren't the complete part of the problem. Their parents have a huge share of the blame.

To anyone who thinks they should be stopped or censored: I will fight to the death their freedom to say something which I completely disagree with.

EDIT: ... and the right to speak freely of anyone who opposes their message.

[Sourbook]

Wack job parents.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Sourbook

Wack job parents.

Very succinctly put.

[Ozmodiar]

Originally Posted by Railroader

I will fight to the death their freedom to say something which I completely disagree with and the right to speak freely of anyone who opposes their message.

While I do have a problem with their message, I would have a bigger problem with them being censored. My main gripe with this whole thing is, these girls were raised to believe what they're singing about. I feel like they don't even know any better, it's just been ingrained into their minds their whole life so they don't even know it's wrong.

I guess I just feel sorry for them.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Railroader

The kids aren't the complete part of the problem. Their parents have a huge share of the blame.

To anyone who thinks they should be stopped or censored: I will fight to the death their freedom to say something which I completely disagree with.

EDIT: ... and the right to speak freely of anyone who opposes their message.

I don't know that I'd stand up and oppose a raging mob who wanted to tear em up, but I WOULD try to stop the mob before they got riled up. Heh, heh!

Seriously, RR, you are right. The freedom of expression is important for everyone ESPECIALLY those ideas we find most repugnant.



They kinda resemble Dianne Sawyer.

I predict a big, black stud in their future and you know what they say? 'Once you go black...'

[Cubeoid]

Heh.. that would be great...hehe.. do you guys think I say 'great' too much?

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Cubeoid

Heh.. that would be great...hehe.. do you guys think I say 'great' too much?

Nah.

As for the girl's band, "Prussian Blue," it seems there is ANOTHER group who, in September, got the legal rights to use the name Prussian Blue® and the right to use the ® symbol.

The registered Prussian Blue doesn't seem to have any relation to racism or the girls or anything.

So, there MAY be an opportunity for the racist "Prussian Blue" to get even MORE free publicity soon if the registered Prussian Blue sues the girls to stop using their name.

Let's see if it does.

[OldManMac]

They're getting their 15 minutes of fame right now, but they will be marginalized, along with their message, in the long run.

[The Godfather]

I can't find them in the iTMS.

[Mithras]

You can watch their charming music video, "Victory Day" (giganto 55MB quicktime):


I just love this cute little girl turning to the camera to sing,
Now sit down and listen,
To what I have to say.
There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free.

Awww, so sweet!


EDIT: This page mentions that their little sister is named "Dresden." A real bucket-o-love, those parents.

[Ozmodiar]

*gag*

[Scandalous Ion Cannon]

I am not defending them in any way but they do make a valid point. Rap music today is all about shooting fellow niggers and pimping your bitch girlfriend. Hardly setting an example.

And no self racism is not OK.

[badidea]

(In a few years) Long Dong Silver could cure their illness!

[Rolling Bones]

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

*gag*

Those T-shirts are cool!

I used to have one that said "Welcome to Detroit" and it had a smilie with a bullet hole and blood on its forehead.

[Spliffdaddy]

Since when is being white - and being proud of it - considered 'hate' ?

Seems like all the girls are doing is promoting their 'love' of their skin color.

"Miss Black America" ? Now, that's racial hatred.

[UNTeMac]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Since when is being white - and being proud of it - considered 'hate' ?

Seems like all the girls are doing is promoting their 'love' of their skin color.

"Miss Black America" ? Now, that's racial hatred.

Careful,

your Tennessee is showing...

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Since when is being white - and being proud of it - considered 'hate' ?

Seems like all the girls are doing is promoting their 'love' of their skin color.

"Miss Black America" ? Now, that's racial hatred.

No one is saying that being proud of themselves is wrong--After all whiteness, like blackness, is inherently natural--so there can be nothing "wrong" with being white.

What is wrong is their singing about "purging" non-whites from the world. Or do you think that it is okay to advocate for the elimination of whole races of people?

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

No one is saying that being proud of themselves is wrong--After all whiteness, like blackness, is inherently natural--so there can be nothing "wrong" with being white.

What is wrong is their singing about "purging" non-whites from the world. Or do you think that it is okay to advocate for the elimination of whole races of people?

3 pages of journalism. And not once is it mentioned that the girls advocate for the elimination of *any* race of people.

Give it a rest. You're assuming things that have no basis in fact. It's almost as if you're racist or something.

[OldManMac]

You've got to be kidding! Did you even read the article?

[Spliffdaddy]

Twice.

Now show me where it was stated that the two girls were advocates for the elimination of *any* race of people.

bzzt.

Time's up - you lose yet another argument to Spliffdaddy.

You see what your racist mind wants you to see - not what's actually written.

*smacked-down*

edited:

damn, dude. I don't think you've ever won an argument. Must be some sort of world record.

[Salty]

There isn't a chance I would fight for their right to say this sort of trash.
The greatest commandment is love God with everything and love your neighbour as yourself. I can not love my neighbour and condone this sort of trash. Nor can I love God and promote this sort of drivel.

Ahh the advantage of being a Christian, you've got well thought out things to live your life by, not some quote that people pull out when they wanna figure out why they don't have the balls to do what's right.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Now show me where it was stated that the two girls were advocates for the elimination of *any* race of people.

There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free.

Coupled with those cute Hitler t-shirts, that's plenty close enough.

Unless of course the t-shirts are profoundly sarcastic.

[UNTeMac]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Twice.

Now show me where it was stated that the two girls were advocates for the elimination of *any* race of people.

bzzt.

Time's up - you lose yet another argument to Spliffdaddy.

You see what your racist mind wants you to see - not what's actually written.

*smacked-down*

edited:

damn, dude. I don't think you've ever won an argument. Must be some sort of world record.

You are being purposefully dense to ignore the fact that the OBVIOUS underlying idea of their whole movement is the domination of other races. A swastika is no more about white pride than the Klu Klux Klan is. They're both symbols of hatred. For you to focus solely on the speech of the two girls shows you're willing to ignore the larger issue of the movement these girls are being raised in. Did I say they couldn't speak? No. But for you to say their speech is innocent or free from its clear racist roots is a totally disingenuous disconnection of the facts and you know it.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

3 pages of journalism. And not once is it mentioned that the girls advocate for the elimination of *any* race of people.

Give it a rest. You're assuming things that have no basis in fact. It's almost as if you're racist or something.

<hint>listen to the song </hint>

[Ozmodiar]

Originally Posted by Salty

Ahh the advantage of being a Christian, you've got well thought out things to live your life by, not some quote that people pull out when they wanna figure out why they don't have the balls to do what's right.

My head just exploded.

[Spliffdaddy]

Listen to what song?

All I have is 3 pages of liberal hogwash to reference.

And nowhere does it tell me that these girls wish harm on anybody.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Listen to what song?

All I have is 3 pages of liberal hogwash to reference.

And nowhere does it tell me that these girls wish harm on anybody.

No, they did not come out and say explicitly that they advocate the elimination of non-white races but they *are* white supremacists and they *are* singing about "a bloody but holy day" involving "purging" which will lead to freedom for "Our People".

What exactly do YOU think these lyrics mean, Spliffdaddy?

Now sit down and listen,
To what I have to say.
There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free.


FYI: I am not questioning their right to say these things. I think they do have the right to say these things and fully support their right to talk about "a bloody but holy day". At the same time I fully support the right of those who find these ideas abhorrent to say they find these ideas abhorrent. That's the beauty of the 1st Amendment: It allows all of us to speak our mind.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by badidea

(In a few years) Long Dong Silver could cure their illness!

Yes. They would either immediately denounce their bigotry or be torn by the angst of hating Senor Mandingo and at the same time wanting him to messy her/them all up side down and inside out and ever which way.

[Spliffdaddy]

"Now sit down and listen,
To what I have to say.
There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free."

I'm guessing this refers to the war against Islamic extremists.


In any case, lyrics are a form of art and expression. If not, then our jails would be full of gangsta rap artists and Death Row record executives. And members of Green Day....

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

No one is saying that being proud of themselves is wrong--After all whiteness, like blackness, is inherently natural--so there can be nothing "wrong" with being white.

What is wrong is their singing about "purging" non-whites from the world. Or do you think that it is okay to advocate for the elimination of whole races of people?

If one takes pride in being a certain color (that he/she had no control over) then shouldn't he/she ALSO take responsibility or blame for what was done by people of the same color?

Or, AT LEAST in the same cause.

If someone takes pride in being white, and pride in their racial SSuperiority, then the other groups which have also taken pride in being white and in their racial SSuperiority are those which he/she would logically be assumed to take pride in, bear allegiance to, and assume the blame for.

These girls fully own up to THEIR responsibility in that regard. They dance to the music and are there to pay the piper, even though they were coerced into that belief.

Anyone else wanting to step up and express/assume their full measure of pride/responsibility for their feelings of white superiority and the groups who also held the same belief should feel honored to do so, I'd think.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

"Now sit down and listen,
To what I have to say.
There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free."

I'm guessing this refers to the war against Islamic extremists.


In any case, lyrics are a form of art and expression. If not, then our jails would be full of gangsta rap artists and Death Row record executives. And members of Green Day....

OK, so you think an avowedly white supremacist singing group is singing about fighting a group of religious extremists in this song. Fair enough. You've told us what you think.

Umm, where did the reference to jails come in? No one here is advocating putting these girls in jail. No one here is even suggesting they should not be allowed to say these things. People here are just criticizing them for what they are saying, or what they think they are saying. And that is allowed . . . and in fact should be fully supported. Supporting reedom of speech is most important when supporting speech you find offensive.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Salty

There isn't a chance I would fight for their right to say this sort of trash.
The greatest commandment is love God with everything and love your neighbour as yourself. I can not love my neighbour and condone this sort of trash. Nor can I love God and promote this sort of drivel.

I believe you're confusing the issue a little.

Defending someone's right to say something does not equal your promoting or condoning their message.

[Spliffdaddy]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are - nor suggesting that you're superior to others. For whatever reason.

If it pisses you off, then I can only assume that you somehow feel inferior.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Doofy

I believe you're confusing the issue a little.

Defending someone's right to say something does not equal your promoting or condoning their message.

You're absolutely right. If he wants his right to practice religion fully supported then he needs to fully support their right to say these things.

Granted this is all hypothetical as he is Canadian but the point is the same. A highly religious American cannot refuse to support the free speech rights of these girls while expecting their right to free religion to be supported unquestioningly.

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

OK, so you think an avowedly white supremacist singing group is singing about fighting a group of religious extremists in this song. Fair enough. You've told us what you think.

Umm, where did the reference to jails come in? No one here is advocating putting these girls in jail. No one here is even suggesting they should not be allowed to say these things. People here are just criticizing them for what they are saying, or what they think they are saying. And that is allowed . . . and in fact should be fully supported. Supporting reedom of speech is most important when supporting speech you find offensive.

The Muslim Arabs were Hitler's allies and united to kill Jews in WWII. In fact Yassir Arafat's grand uncle or something was a GREAT friend to Hitler and the Arabs in certain circles still use the Nazi terminology in reference to Jews.

I don't know if these girls' message is really all that much anti-Muslim, is it? (Not that it should be. As long as Muslims are living peacefully and not violently jihad-ing or promoting violence then they are as much in my hopes and wishes and prayers to be protected as any group or individuals.)

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are - nor suggesting that you're superior to others. For whatever reason.

If it pisses you off, then I can only assume that you somehow feel inferior.

Someone cue Zimphy's "projection" image. We've all been debating ideas and concepts and Spliffdaddy still wants to make this about individual people.


Spliffdaddy, I got a couple questions for you.
Do you think these girls have the right to sing what they are singing? YES or NO
Do you think people in this forum have a right to criticize these girls for what they are singing? YES or NO

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by Salty

There isn't a chance I would fight for their right to say this sort of trash.
The greatest commandment is love God with everything and love your neighbour as yourself. I can not love my neighbour and condone this sort of trash. Nor can I love God and promote this sort of drivel.

Ahh the advantage of being a Christian, you've got well thought out things to live your life by, not some quote that people pull out when they wanna figure out why they don't have the balls to do what's right.

If you could truly LOVE as God wants us to, couldn't you imagine yourself loving these precious children of God? (And NOT just the girls, but the PARENTS!)

It's easy to love someone who is lovable, innit? But the people with the greatest need for love are the ones who are AFRAID. These people wear FEAR on their sleeves.

I would bid anyone who calls themselves Christians to love your enemy.

Isn't that what is called for in scripture?

Isn't THIS how God will know that you really are a good and faithful servant and that you are ready for the next lesson?

[mojo2]

Anyone who might be in doubt about the political orientation of these girl's parents and the group they belong to (The National Vanguard is the name of the publication) should just read some of the materials and articles at the site. It is a cleaned up version of Neo-Nazi hatred but it IS Neo Nazi hatred being preached.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Listen to what song?

All I have is 3 pages of liberal hogwash to reference.

And nowhere does it tell me that these girls wish harm on anybody.

Scroll up and click in the link to their music video.

[OreoCookie]

Originally Posted by mojo2

The Muslim Arabs were Hitler's allies and united to kill Jews in WWII. In fact Yassir Arafat's grand uncle or something was a GREAT friend to Hitler and the Arabs in certain circles still use the Nazi terminology in reference to Jews.

I don't know if these girls' message is really all that much anti-Muslim, is it? (Not that it should be. As long as Muslims are living peacefully and not violently jihad-ing or promoting violence then they are as much in my hopes and wishes and prayers to be protected as any group or individuals.)

So was the Catholic Church. But anyway, this discussion is not about Islam.

Originally Posted by Spliffydaddy

There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are - nor suggesting that you're superior to others. For whatever reason.

If it pisses you off, then I can only assume that you somehow feel inferior.

It's about racism. How much information do you really need: check out this interview. They question the Holocaust as such.

We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.

Another quote is:

Not having enough white babies born to replace ourselves and generally not having good-quality white people being born.

How much more do you need?

[Spliffdaddy]

yes and yes

[mojo2]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie

So was the Catholic Church. But anyway, this discussion is not about Islam.


It's about racism. How much information do you really need: check out this interview. They question the Holocaust as such.

Another quote is:

How much more do you need?

Shouldn't you be asking Spliffdaddy? He's the one I was indirectly speaking to.

Spliffdaddy
Addicted to MacNN


Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: South Tampa FL, USA
Posts: 7,086
Status: Offline
report abuse
Today, 05:13 AM

"Now sit down and listen,
To what I have to say.
There soon will come a great war,
A bloody but holy day.
And after that purging,
Our People will be free."

I'm guessing this refers to the war against Islamic extremists.


In any case, lyrics are a form of art and expression. If not, then our jails would be full of gangsta rap artists and Death Row record executives. And members of Green Day....
__________________
Strange how the folks who claim we can't do anything right - are the same folks asking when we're gonna fix the next problem.

Spliffdaddy
Addicted to MacNN


Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: South Tampa FL, USA
Posts: 7,085
Status: Offline
report abuse
Today, 03:16 AM

Listen to what song?

All I have is 3 pages of liberal hogwash to reference.

And nowhere does it tell me that these girls wish harm on anybody.
__________________
Strange how the folks who claim we can't do anything right - are the same folks asking when we're gonna fix the next problem.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

yes and yes

(I assume these answers are to the two questions I posed above.)

Then why are you complaining about people complaining about these girls?

[OldManMac]

There you go again, with your silly "smackdown." You complain of others trying to sound superior, but you do exactly the same thing. Childish, at best.

If you can't see what the aim of these girls is, and what their parents/peers are trying brainwash them into, then I'm not the one with the problem. Of course, to you, like so many others here, the first word of defense is always "liberal," as if somehow you have a lock on morality. Childish, at best.

Edit; If you think "winning" an argument on the internet is so important, then again, I'm not the one with the problem.

[Spliffdaddy]

well at least the girls aren't being raised to vote for liberals.

[dcmacdaddy]

Quoted for emphasis.

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Then why are you complaining about people complaining about these girls?