[RobOnTheCape]

In the early eighties i was a born again, and when some conflict blew up in the middle east the pastor of our church and everyone else saw signs that we were about to experience the rapture. everyone was sooo excited since the signs were so obvious. This has been played out over and over again. Completely delusional then, completely delusional now.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by RobOnTheCape

In the early eighties i was a born again, and when some conflict blew up in the middle east the pastor of our church and everyone else saw signs that we were about to experience the rapture. everyone was sooo excited since the signs were so obvious. This has been played out over and over again. Completely delusional then, completely delusional now.

*shrug* I don't claim to have a clue when it's supposed to happen

The Bible DID say it would start in the same generation that "His people" return to Israel.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by RobOnTheCape

In the early eighties i was a born again, and when some conflict blew up in the middle east the pastor of our church and everyone else saw signs that we were about to experience the rapture. everyone was sooo excited since the signs were so obvious. This has been played out over and over again. Completely delusional then, completely delusional now.

It still shocks me that some would actually look forward to it.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

It still shocks me that some would actually look forward to it.

I am doing this from memory--I don't have time to dig out my Bible and read Revelation--but I am pretty sure the End Times foreshadows the time when Christ returns to the Earth to rule for a 1000 years with the (s)elect ones who will be redeemed enjoying great privilege during his reign, while those who are not (s)elect will suffer greatly. At the end of the 1000 years the world will be destroyed and all the (s)elect will go up to Heaven with God and the rest will go to Hell to burn for eternity.

SO

If you are an evangelical/protestant Christian who believes in the End Times you would be glad this is happening as it would mean the time is coming close when you would be re-united with your saviour of choice, Jesus. But, that happens at the very end of the End Times, before that is all the traditional biblical bad stuff like fire and brimstone raining from the sky, plagues, pestilence, great wars, earthquakes. In other words, all sorts of bad stuff. So, as a faithful believer you have to endure all this bad stuff before you get to the reward you seek which is living in blissful communion with a living Jesus as he reigns over the Earth for 1000 years.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

It still shocks me that some would actually look forward to it.

Because you have absolutely zero understanding of Christianity and what we value. You've proved that time and time again.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

If you are an evangelical/protestant Christian who believes in the End Times you would be glad this is happening as it would mean the time is coming close when you would be re-united with your saviour of choice, Jesus. But, that happens at the very end of the End Times, before that is all the traditional biblical bad stuff like fire and brimstone raining from the sky, plagues, pestilence, great wars, earthquakes. In other words, all sorts of bad stuff. So, as a faithful believer you have to endure all this bad stuff before you get to the reward you seek which is living in blissful communion with a living Jesus as he reigns over the Earth for 1000 years.

That's one theory, and there are several interpretations of Revelations, but there's no consensus on exactly what will happen.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's one theory, and there are several interpretations of Revelations, but there's no consensus on exactly what will happen.

Theory?!? Did you say theory? HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

This is NOT a theory as it CANNOT be tested or verified in any way? This is an idea.

As for interpretations of Revelations, I thought that wasn't allowed. I thought the word of God was fixed and absolute so no interpretation by humans--who can't comprehend, let alone understand, the mind of God--is possible.

But for arguments sake, what are the various interpretations you speak of and which branches of evangelicalism or protestastism subscribe to which interpretations.


<Goes to dig out his Bible--which one should I get, I have two . . . Ahh, let's go with the RSV of 1997 from OUP--so he can take it to work and continue this discussion later while being able to reference Scripture.>

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Because you have absolutely zero understanding of Christianity and what we value. You've proved that time and time again.

You're right, I don't see "value" in people being judged and left behind.

I am sure it is a real kicker to you guys though.

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

I am doing this from memory--I don't have time to dig out my Bible and read Revelation--but I am pretty sure the End Times foreshadows the time when Christ returns to the Earth to rule for a 1000 years with the (s)elect ones who will be redeemed enjoying great privilege during his reign, while those who are not (s)elect will suffer greatly. At the end of the 1000 years the world will be destroyed and all the (s)elect will go up to Heaven with God and the rest will go to Hell to burn for eternity.

So Jesus comes back, kills all the bad people and you live under a 1000 year dictatorship?
What do you have to do rub his feet? Does he at least give you free beer and whores?

Sounds like a blast.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Theory?!? Did you say theory? HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

This is NOT a theory as it CANNOT be tested or verified in any way? This is an idea.

As for interpretations of Revelations, I thought that wasn't allowed. I thought the word of God was fixed and absolute so no interpretation by humans--who can't comprehend, let alone understand, the mind of God--is possible.

But for arguments sake, what are the various interpretations you speak of and which branches of evangelicalism or protestastism subscribe to which interpretations.

I apologize for misusing your sacred word. My dictionary calls a theory "a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something." I think it fits. It's quite obvious that Revelations doesn't have a fixed meaning, as everything in there is quite abstract. Frankly, I haven't studied into it much at all. I read the Left Behind series, and found it to be an entertaining read, but that's as far as I've gone into it. From my POV, I'm not worried about what will happen when, because I'm ready.

[Monique]

There won't be any rapture. It is a fairytale invented by right wing to feel if I am not judgemental and a so-call good boy or girl I will be punish by Christ when he comes back next week. And if I am judgemental and condemn everyone that does not believe in Christianity like I do, I will go to this beautiful place and eat cake every day without getting fat.

You see I am a mainstream person, as long as you do not rob, murder people, nice to your neighbours, respect other like gay lifestyle, or do not middle into a person's sexual life, be nice in general; so, I am like a lot of people in the world, like mainstream Christians not those crazy right wing Christians that love to point their finger to gays for example telling them if you have sex with the person you love and cherish you will go to hell.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Monique

There won't be any rapture. It is a fairytale invented by right wing to feel if I am not judgemental and a so-call good boy or girl I will be punish by Christ when he comes back next week. And if I am judgemental and condemn everyone that does not believe in Christianity like I do, I will go to this beautiful place and eat cake every day without getting fat.

You see I am a mainstream person, as long as you do not rob, murder people, nice to your neighbours, respect other like gay lifestyle, or do not middle into a person's sexual life, be nice in general; so, I am like a lot of people in the world, like mainstream Christians not those crazy right wing Christians that love to point their finger to gays for example telling them if you have sex with the person you love and cherish you will go to hell.

If you were to practice the tolerance you so often preach it would be wonderful.
I don't think you realize how judgemental that saying was. You're telling everyone that believes differently than you that they're wrong and should take your beliefs because they're better and right. Hypocrite.

[Monique]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

If you were to practice the tolerance you so often preach it would be wonderful.
I don't think you realize how judgemental that saying was. You're telling everyone that believes differently than you that they're wrong and should take your beliefs because they're better and right. Hypocrite.

Only the right wing.

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by Monique

Only the right wing.

No, it's you girl.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by MacNStein

No, it's you girl.

I don't know why but that post gave me a Milli Vanilli moment. I think I'm gonna have to go dig out my tights and shoulder pads and dance around the house for a bit.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy

I don't know why but that post gave me a Milli Vanilli moment. I think I'm gonna have to go dig out my tights and shoulder pads and dance around the house for a bit.

Don't forget to wear a mop dyed black on your head.

[MacNStein]

Originally Posted by Doofy

I don't know why but that post gave me a Milli Vanilli moment. I think I'm gonna have to go dig out my tights and shoulder pads and dance around the house for a bit.

[Zeeb]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

If you were to practice the tolerance you so often preach it would be wonderful.
I don't think you realize how judgemental that saying was. You're telling everyone that believes differently than you that they're wrong and should take your beliefs because they're better and right. Hypocrite.

I think what bothers me about the idea of the Rapture is that although there are many versions, basically what it says to me is that the non-Christians in this world is what makes life miserable. They therefore look for "signs" to indicate that soon all Christians who are God's chosen people will either be taken out of a hostile non-Christian world, the non-Christians will be destroyed, or the Christians will have a superior place of power over everyone else. Non-Christians have no value with regard to the Rapture. Intrinsically, the idea of the Rapture itself is very intolerant from the beginning. Therefore, anyone who is in love with the idea of the Rapture probably is looking forward to the destruction of everyone who disagrees with him or her.

What's ultra-arrogant in my opinion is lets assume that the Rapture is coming. Seems like a lot of people have already assumed they are the chosen people. In other words they have chosen themselves--which might risk offending God right? From what I understand, God chooses those who will go with Him. How would a Rapture-lover feel if God came, the Rapture happened and they are still alive and on the earth? People who believe in the Rapture therefore also believe they are doing everything right. Garbage. hmmm

Monique is just responding the intrinsic idea of intolerance already contained within the concept of the Rapture. Now, if I have the idea of the Rapture all wrong, please by all means correct me and give me your interpretation. But don't just call me "intolerant" and say I don't understand.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Monique is just responding the intrinsic idea of intolerance already contained within the concept of the Rapture. Now, if I have the idea of the Rapture all wrong, please by all means correct me and give me your interpretation. But don't just call me "intolerant" and say I don't understand.

You're not at all being intolerant. Monique, however, has quite a history of ignorant intolerance. Christians don't look forward to the destruction of non-Christians, but to fellowship with Christ. We don't hate non-Christians and want them to die, but evangelism is a big part of being a Christian.

[Monique]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

You're not at all being intolerant. Monique, however, has quite a history of ignorant intolerance. Christians don't look forward to the destruction of non-Christians, but to fellowship with Christ. We don't hate non-Christians and want them to die, but evangelism is a big part of being a Christian.

Yes you do; I could never go back and be a Christian, and there are a lot of Jews that are extatic about being Jewish, and a lot of Muslims that are good and peaceful souls are extatic about being Muslim and they will never want to be someone else and they are going to heaven.

You can stop evangelizing the world, we are not interested.

[Zeeb]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

You're not at all being intolerant. Monique, however, has quite a history of ignorant intolerance. Christians don't look forward to the destruction of non-Christians, but to fellowship with Christ. We don't hate non-Christians and want them to die, but evangelism is a big part of being a Christian.

By the end of my previous post, I was fully on my soapbox about the topic and was no longer referring to you specifically. You don't seem an intolerant person either and I appreciate your response. I recognize there are very different streams of Christianity and I try to respect and appreciate many of them. However, the idea of a "chosen" people in my opinion can evolve into anti-social ideas--that goes for any religion. I think many people on the message board that was referenced on the original post have less inclusive ideas than you though.

[davesimondotcom]

If this is Rapture, where's Blondie with special guest Fab 5 Freddy?

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Zeeb

By the end of my previous post, I was fully on my soapbox about the topic and was no longer referring to you specifically. You don't seem an intolerant person either and I appreciate your response. I recognize there are very different streams of Christianity and I try to respect and appreciate many of them. However, the idea of a "chosen" people in my opinion can evolve into anti-social ideas--that goes for any religion. I think many people on the message board that was referenced on the original post have less inclusive ideas than you though.

It's definitely bad to get into the 'it's going to be a huge party just for us' mentality. I'm glad you're taking the time to respect and appreciate.

[placebo1969]

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

If this is Rapture, where's Blondie with special guest Fab 5 Freddy?

She's busy eating Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercurys and Subarus.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Kevin

*shrug* I don't claim to have a clue when it's supposed to happen

The Bible DID say it would start in the same generation that "His people" return to Israel.

So either the Jews are not "His people", or he's thirtysome years late?

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by placebo1969

She's busy eating Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercurys and Subarus.

Debbie couldn't rap for sh*t.

[ironknee]

let's be real about the rapture. the whole point of looking forward to it, i think, is

a) so christians will skip the experience of death (it's all about being afraid of death)

b) say nah nah to all the non christians as they are swallowed up in hell. "told you so ironknee!"

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by ironknee

let's be real about the rapture. the whole point of looking forward to it, i think, is

a) so christians will skip the experience of death (it's all about being afraid of death)

not really

b) say nah nah to all the non christians as they are swallowed up in hell. "told you so ironknee!"

nope

[Landos Mustache]

Originally Posted by Gossamer

You're not at all being intolerant. Monique, however, has quite a history of ignorant intolerance

Actually Christians are the ones with "a history of ignorant intolerance" towards anyone not Christian so don't just point the finger at a non-christian.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

It still shocks me that some would actually look forward to it.

Looks forward to what? Pure happiness?

Why is that shocking to you?

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Because you have absolutely zero understanding of Christianity and what we value. You've proved that time and time again.

exactly. And he doesn't want to know.

He'd rather wallow is his stupidity.

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Actually Christians are the ones with "a history of ignorant intolerance" towards anyone not Christian so don't just point the finger at a non-christian.

He can point his finger at anyone doing it. Including you.

Again you are one of the most intolerant people in this forum.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Monique

This is what I think of the rapture; the most ridiculous thing the Christian right has even invented.

Um. While tthe term "rapture" is not in the Bible, the whole thing about Jesus coming back has been around for a couple thousand years---long before the "Christian right."

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by greenG4

Um. While tthe term "rapture" is not in the Bible, the whole thing about Jesus coming back has been around for a couple thousand years---long before the "Christian right."

Indeed. Even in the Old Testament.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Indeed. Even in the Old Testament.

Yep. A lot of Isaiah was speaking about the second coming.

(Edit): This applies very well to today:

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

I don't think there is a group of people more hated than Christians today. Tollerance is preached about every religion it seems, except us. Not complaining, just an observation. This thread is just one more example.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by greenG4

Yep. A lot of Isaiah was speaking about the second coming.

(Edit): This applies very well to today:

Matthew 24:8-9 "But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations on account of my name."

Hence my sig.

I don't think there is a group of people more hated than Christians today.

I wouldn't go that far... Not yet anyhow.

Tollerance is preached about every religion it seems, except us. Not complaining, just an observation. This thread is just one more example.

Indeed.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by greenG4

Tolerance is preached about every religion it seems, except us.

Concur.

[greenG4]

While I hate to copy/paste in threads, there is already so much out there, and I don't fell like typing it all. These are a few highlights of the end times:

ELEVEN FULFILLMENTS OF BIBLE PROPHECY REQUIRED FOR THE END OF THE AGE
1. EXISTENCE OF A 200,000,000 MAN ARMY IN THE EAST
Revelation 9:16 "And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them."

An army of that size had never existed until China's army reached that number in the 1960's.
2. REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE (EUROPEAN COMMUNITY)
Daniel 2:32-33 "The head of the statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay."

Daniel 2:40-43 "Then there will be a fourth kingdom as strong as iron; inasmuch as iron crushes and shatters all things, so like iron that breaks in pieces, it will crush and break all these in pieces. And in that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have the toughness of iron, and partly of pottery, so some of the kingdom will be strong and part of it will be brittle. And in that you saw the iron mixed with clay, they will combine with one another in the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, even as iron does not combine with pottery."

The fourth kingdom of iron is the Roman empire according to Daniel's interpretation of King Nebuchadnezzar's dream. The two legs are the division of the Roman empire into an eastern portion called the Byzantine empire which ended in the 1400's and a western portion based in Rome which ended in the 400's. The nations of Europe since the Roman empire dissolved have never adhered or formed one empire but continue as separate nations, however, the European Union now has 15 Member States and is preparing for the accession of 13 eastern and southern European countries.
3. RETURN OF THE ONE PURE LANGUAGE, HEBREW, TO ISRAEL
Zephaniah 3:9 "For then I will return to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent."

Prior to the restoration of Israel in 1948, Hebrew was a dead language. Now Hebrew is spoken throughout Israel.
4. REBUILDING OF THE TEMPLE, RESTORATION OF TEMPLE WORSHIP AND ANIMAL SACRIFICES IN JERUSALEM
For several end time prophecies to be fulfilled, the temple will have to be rebuilt.

Revelation 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the oly city for forty-two months."

Daniel 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolation, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Daniel 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Some archeologists believe that the temple mount is actually 340 feet south of the Dome of the Rock site, putting the Dome of the Rock within the Court of the Gentiles. This may be the court outside the temple that is left out.

There are many groups already working on preparations for the new temple. The blueprints are already done, the temple garments have been made, and there have already been attempts to lay the cornerstone of the temple. The only thing standing in the way of the construction of the new temple is Islam's third holiest site, the Dome of the Rock and government support for such an undertaking. Some possible scenarios for the rebuilding of the temple are as follows:

1. The persuasion and performing of miracles by the Antichrist and False Prophet convinces the Islamic world to approve the rebuilding.

2. The United Nations will negotiate the rebuilding of the temple following a war with the armies from the North (Russia and Islamic forces). This assumes that the war with the armies from the North is not the battle of Armageddon as some feel and that this attack occurs before the rapture or tribulation period begins. The supernatural destruction of the Russian army and Islamic forces will cause an outpouring of Christian worship and zeal amongst the Jewish people who will reconstruct the temple.

3. It is determined that the site of the first two temples is actually south of the Dome of the Rock, and the court of the gentiles (Dome of the Rock) will be left out of the 3rd temple.

A group in Israel called the Temple Mount Faithful have obtained most of the clothing, instruments and other equipment required for temple worship and are actively preparing for the laying of the third temple's cornerstone.
5. APPEARANCE OF THE RED HEIFER AFTER 2000 YEARS
Numbers 19:2-7 "This is the statute of the law which the Lord has commanded, saying, "Speak to the sons of Israel that they bring you an unblemished red heifer in which is no defect and on which a yoke has never been placed. "You shall give it to Eleazar the priest, and it shall be brought outside the camp and be slaughtered in his presence. Next Eleazar the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and sprinkle some of its blood toward the front of the tent of meeting seven times. "Then the heifer shall be burned in his sight; its hide and its flesh and its blood, with its refuse, shall be burned. "The priest shall then wash his clothes and bathe his body in water, and afterward come into the camp, but the priest shall be unclean until evening."

A red heifer will be required to be used in the process of purification described in the book of Numbers. In May 1997 the first Red Heifer was born in 2000 years. Another red Heifer was born in Israel in March of 2002.
6. INCREASE IN KNOWLEDGE AND TRAVEL
Daniel 12:4 "But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase."

Billy Graham was quoted as saying, "ninety percent of all the engineers and scientists who have ever lived are alive today." Air travel, space travel, DNA research and human cloning are all examples of the rapid increase in knowledge in our generation.
7. RETURN OF THE ETHIOPIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL
Zephaniah 3:10-11 "From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia My worshipers, My dispersed ones, will bring My offerings. In that day you will feel no shame because of all your deeds by which you have rebelled against Me; For then I will remove from your midst your proud, exulting ones, and you will never again be haughty on My holy mountain."

In 1984, Operation Moses saw the airlift of 15,000 Jews who had already fled to refugee camps in Sudan to escape starvation. In 1991, Operation Solomon flew 20,000 Jews to Israel from Ethiopia itself. A further airlift began in June of 1999, aimed at transporting the last 3,000 members of the Quara Jewish community from northeastern Ethiopia to Israel.
8. THE RISE OF RUSSIA
Ezekiel 38:2,4,8 "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them."

In order for some end time events to occur Russia will have to be a strong nation with a strong military.
9. RETURN OF RUSSIAN JEWS TO ISRAEL
Jeremiah 23:7-8 "Therefore behold, the days are coming declares the Lord, when they will no longer say, as the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, but as the Lord lives, who brought up and led back the descendants of the household of Israel from the north land and from all the countries where I have driven them. Then they will live on their own soil."

In the 1970's and 1980's there was a mass exodus of Russian Jews out of Communist Russia. In 1999 the Associated Press reported a dramatic increase in the number of Jewish immigrants from Russia, bringing the largest number of Russian Jews to Israel since the early 1990's.
10. TECHNOLOGY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST
Revelation 13:16-17 "And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name."

On May 10, three members of a family in Florida became the first people to receive the biochip implant. Each device, made of silicon and called a VeriChip, is a small radio transmitter about the size of a piece of rice that is injected under a person's skin. It transmits a unique personal ID number whenever it is within a few feet of a special receiver unit. VeriChip's maker describes it as "a miniaturized, implantable, radio frequency identification device (RFID) that can be used in a variety of security, emergency and healthcare applications."

Is the biochip the mark of the beast to be used by the antichrist? We can't really know. What is significant is that people are being softened to the idea of a mark or an implant as a means of maintaining security, providing medical information, and regulating a more interdependent world. As attitudes change, fears subside, and people are convinced of the need for such a mark, the true mark of the beast will be easily introduced to the world by the antichrist.
11. PLANS FOR THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT
The United Nations, World Trade Organization, International Criminal Court, UN peacekeeping/police force, numerous UN NGO's, and other agencies are preliminary steps to the formation of a one world government. We now have the communications technology, transportation, and the pro-globalization media necessary to usher in the one world government headed by the antichrist. The increasing terrorist threat and the middle east conflict will only speed up the formation of this governing body as fear and promises of better security make more people willing to give up their national sovereignty for global governance.
12. INSTANT COMMUNICATION AROUND THE WORLD
Revelation 11:3, 7-10 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophecy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth."

Television and the 24-hour news networks make it possible for people around the world to see the dead prophets and rejoice at their deaths.

Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Luke 21:32 "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place."

http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/endtimes.php

What I'm anxious to see is the Temple being rebuilt.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Hence my sig.

Nice. I never pay attention to sigs much. Guess I should.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Kevin

*shrug* I don't claim to have a clue when it's supposed to happen

The Bible DID say it would start in the same generation that "His people" return to Israel.

jesus said i will come back WITHIN your generation.

question: who did he say that to?

someone please back me up with the bible...someone did a few years ago.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ironknee

jesus said i will come back WITHIN your generation.

question: who did he say that to?

To the people that sees the creation of Israel I believe.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Kevin

To the people that sees the creation of Israel I believe.

That's correct. I'm looking for the supporting scripture.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by greenG4

That's correct. I'm looking for the supporting scripture.

Matt 24. (34 ish)

The phrase this generation could also be translated as this age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age

Pisces is the symbol of the fish, also representative of Jesus Christ. The Age of Pisces is very close to the year Christ was born up to the present.

(for those Christians who may disregard this simply because it's astrological, ask yourselves why God put the planets there and how the Magi knew what was happening)

[analogika]

ironknee == greenG4?

Interesting.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by analogika

ironknee == greenG4?

Interesting.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by analogika

ironknee == greenG4?

Interesting.

It gets hard to keep track of who's who around here.

Sometimes I get the feeling that Besson, Athens, Pendergast, and LPK are all the same person. Same goes for Abe, Aberdeen, Budster, etc.

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Doofy

Matt 24. (34 ish)

The phrase this generation could also be translated as this age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age



(for those Christians who may disregard this simply because it's astrological, ask yourselves why God put the planets there and how the Magi knew what was happening)

Also, Luke 21:20-36

20 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. 22 For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. 23 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. 24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

29 He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30 When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. 34 "Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. 35 For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. 36 Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."

Link to audio talking about it: http://www.greensmusic.net/soundbytes/Track%2002.mp3

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

It gets hard to keep track of who's who around here.

Sometimes I get the feeling that Besson, Athens, Pendergast, and LPK are all the same person. Same goes for Abe, Aberdeen, Budster, etc.

Ah. I missed the insinuation. No, sorry. GreenG4 is my ONLY screen name.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by analogika

ironknee == greenG4?

Interesting.

nope but hi green g4

comeon...bible people prove me right!

[greenG4]

Originally Posted by ironknee

nope but hi green g4

comeon...bible people prove me right!

Listen to the first couple minutes of the mp3 above...

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by greenG4

Listen to the first couple minutes of the mp3 above...

man that is scary,,,you listen to this stuff?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ironknee

man that is scary,,,you listen to this stuff?

Are you really interested in learning anything, or do you want to keep making condescending jr high jib jab ?

Seriously if you don't care, get lost.

It's one thing to be an atheist.

But when aren't just happy with that, you ALSO have to bash those who believe in the opposite, well that says more about you than the people you are attacking.

You are only attempting to convince yourself.