[PacHead]

Here is an interesting link which has to do with the exploitation of dead children in Lebanon. Look at the disgusting way in which the propaganda photograpers stage fake photos and how the very same dead children show up in completely different photos with timestamps that don't compute, comments that contradict and even in completely different situations.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...ilking-it.html

[Chuckit]

So what we've learned is that sometimes several photographers take pictures of the same event and only give rough estimates of the time? I'm horrified.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

So what we've learned is that sometimes several photographers take pictures of the same event and only give rough estimates of the time? I'm horrified.

What makes you think that they are rough estimates of time ? Did you even read the link ? The time is very specific for some of the photos. Were they walking around with the same dead children for hours and posing them for the cameras ? It certainly seems that way.

[Chuckit]

They even note that two pictures where a man is obviously in the same position are labeled as being half an hour apart. It seems pretty clear that we're looking at errors in whatever timestamps they're talking about, not a body actually being carried around for hours.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

They even note that two pictures where a man is obviously in the same position are labeled as being half an hour apart. It seems pretty clear that we're looking at errors in whatever timestamps they're talking about, not a body actually being carried around for hours.

I'm not so sure about that because the 'rescue workers' are clearly posing with dead children in obviously staged photos. You see the same 'rescue worker' with a dead child and there's continuity errors in another picture with the same 'rescue worker' and the same dead child, such as gloves in one picture and no gloves in another picture.

[Chuckit]

In all the pictures with the boy, he is not wearing gloves. In all the pictures with the girl at the disaster site, he is wearing the gloves. In the picture by the ambulance, where he is not wearing a vest, he has also taken off his gloves. I really don't see how these constitute "inconsistencies." I can imagine a very reasonable timeline for the pictures that doesn't involve parading dead bodies for hours.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by PacHead

What makes you think that they are rough estimates of time ? Did you even read the link ? The time is very specific for some of the photos.

Maybe one day when digital cameras have a way of automatically synchronising themselves to an atomic clock, you'll have a point. Until then, it's quite possible that the clocks in the different cameras are not synchronised. One could easily be 20 minutes fast or slow.

I often forget to change time zones on my camera when I move around the world.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Troll

Maybe one day when digital cameras have a way of automatically synchronising themselves to an atomic clock, you'll have a point. Until then, it's quite possible that the clocks in the different cameras are not synchronised. One could easily be 20 minutes fast or slow.

I often forget to change time zones on my camera when I move around the world.

That sounds reasonable, but what about from the same photographer ?

[Troll]

Originally Posted by PacHead

That sounds reasonable, but what about from the same photographer ?

Most professional photographers carry more than one camera - one with say lens for portraits and one with a zoom. Heck, I sometimes carry a compact and an SLR at the same time and I haven't bothered to synchronise them to each other or to anything in particular.

Besides, in the article, I didn't pick up any inconsistencies from one photographer. The blogger, however, doesn't even mention the clock settings as a possibile explanation. Typical of a blog.

[greenamp]

So this is false because the camera settings from at least 5 different photo journalists were all wrong?

Gimme a break.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PacHead

Here is an interesting link which has to do with the exploitation of dead children in Lebanon. Look at the disgusting way in which the propaganda photograpers stage fake photos and how the very same dead children show up in completely different photos with timestamps that don't compute, comments that contradict and even in completely different situations.

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/200...ilking-it.html

The sad part about it is, they care even less for these Children. If Hezbollah cared about these people, they would have left long ago. They wouldn't have STARTED this whole thing.

But of course, Israel is the great satan as always.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by greenamp

So this is false because the camera settings from at least 5 different photo journalists were all wrong?

They weren't wrong. They're just different.

Does someone have a link to the photos with the EXIF information or do we have to just believe the blogger? There any number of reasons why that is so. Not only might there have been multiple cameras with different settings (the photographers are from all over the world) but some of the photos may have been taken on film and scanned later, the EXIF data may have been modified (Aperture can change the time on a photo automatically to synch it with the computer).

I actually went through and made a list of the photgraphers, photos and times.

Hajj
14h21 – pulling body out
16h30 - Rescue worker holding body

Frayer
16h09 – Rescue worker holding body
12h45 – Rescue worker holding body
12h53 – Rescue worker holding body
13h01 – Rescue worker holding body

AP
07h21 – dead girl in ambulance

Zaatari
10h25 – dead girl in ambulance

Nasser
10h44 - Rescue worker holding body

Asfouri
07h16 – dead girl on gurney

One explanation of the time would be different time zones so rearrange them using only the minutes and you get:

xh21 – pulling body out (Hajj)
xh30 - Rescue worker holding body (Hajj)
xh44 - Rescue worker holding body (Nasser)
xh45 – Rescue worker holding body (Frayer)
xh53 – Rescue worker holding body (Frayer)
xh01 – Rescue worker holding body (Frayer)
x+1h16 – dead girl on gurney (Asfouri)
x+1h21 – dead girl in ambulance (AP)
x+1h25 – dead girl in ambulance (Zaatari)

The only one that doesn't make sense then is Dan Frayer's first one which reads 16h09 but that could just be wrong EXIF info. What I'm saying is that the time stamp doesn't prove much at all. I have imported photos from 6 cameras of the same event and the dates and times have been wildly different.

[SSharon]

The palestinians have done this and more in the past, but that website is not convincing at all. I have heard (and seen video) of palestinians carrying around live people and pretending they were dead (he falls off the stretcher 3 times, gets annoyed and walks away) but this is just meaningless time stamps. Other than the problem I have with people disgracing the dead like this, I don't see why photographers can't take hundreds of pictures if the lebanese want to keep holding them up.

When this turns into that dell guy that is in 20 different ads and you see the same child in different cities, let me know.

[Jawbone54]

I support Israel in their attacks, but seeing pictures of dead children will never become unstartling to me. It makes me sick at my stomach for things to have to come to this.

One thing has to be remembered: Hezbollah brought this on Lebanon. Israel didn't ask for this war. Hezbollah had evidently been prepared for this very thing. And, yes, regardless of the times the photos were taken, they are parading these dead children around.