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hyteckit · Sep 2, 2006, 03:32 PM

Hmm... is there how religion is being taught?

Apple - Trailers - Jesus Camp - Trailer

It's sort of a brianwashing camp to me. Training the next army of Christians?

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 05:16 PM

It's really not write to be filling kids minds like that at such a young age. They're teaching hate, just like the Islamic Extremists. They just think in since it's Christian hate it must be ok.

I really love how they said they were like the Palestinian camps that train kids with hand grenades. But again, because they're Christian, they think it must be ok.

This should be linked to the There-Are-No-Christian-Terrorists thread. These are Christian terrorists in training.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 05:28 PM

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 06:36 PM

The have political camps too, they have all kinds of camps.

Brainwashing? No.

I've been to church camps before.

iranfromthezoo · Sep 2, 2006, 06:48 PM

yeah thats a little freaky...working for a church i`ve gone to many church camps....nothing like that though....thats a lttle freaky!

Gossamer · Sep 2, 2006, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

They're teaching hate

Huh? I must have missed that part...

But these kids really are not even capable of comprehending the things they're being taught to say and chant, like the girl saying there's a 'peace about it' or the rattail boy saying he was saved at 5 because he 'wanted more out of life.' Oh come on, what 5 year old is dissatisfied with what he/she has accomplished in life? I feel sorry for these kids.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Huh? I must have missed that part...

You didn't.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Huh? I must have missed that part...

But these kids really are not even capable of comprehending the things they're being taught to say and chant, like the girl saying there's a 'peace about it' or the rattail boy saying he was saved at 5 because he 'wanted more out of life.' Oh come on, what 5 year old is dissatisfied with what he/she has accomplished in life? I feel sorry for these kids.

You must have missed that part where they said they were building gods army, had the kids in camo, or said they were the generation where Jesus would return.

You are aware of what the return of Jesus requires, right?

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

Hmm... is there how religion is being taught?

Apple - Trailers - Jesus Camp - Trailer

It's sort of a brianwashing camp to me. Training the next army of Christians?

I would have to agree that this camp has crossed the line--though I would like to see the full movie. When I went to church camp we just had bible classes, crafts, cookies and games. They are manipulating these kids and brainwashing them seemingly for the explicit purpose of furthering the political agenda of the adults. When those kids reach 18, they'll do literally anything they're told. Reminds me of Hitler youth.

Gossamer · Sep 2, 2006, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

You must have missed that part where they said they were building gods army, had the kids in camo, or said they were the generation where Jesus would return.

You are aware of what the return of Jesus requires, right?

Could you explain how those three constitute teaching hate?

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Could you explain how those three constitute teaching hate?

what exactly does "building God's army" mean? I'd like to know how this camp interprets that phrase.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Could you explain how those three constitute teaching hate?

a) Because if you somehow didn't pick it up, they're building an army to fight Islam.
b) See a.
c) Because Jesus won't return until there is a holy war.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Could you explain how those three constitute teaching hate?

It doesn't. Hate is thrown around in here like it has a broad meaning.

Lots of narrow-minded bigotedness in here.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

a) Because if you somehow didn't pick it up, they're building an army to fight Islam.
b) See a.

Um where did it say that?

Because Jesus won't return until there is a holy war.

Um the Christians get swepted up before any of this starts.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Um where did it say that?

Um the Christians get swepted up before any of this starts.

Aside from comparing themselves to Palestinian camps training kids to use grenades and talking about building an army of god, I really couldn't tell. Sorry.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Aside from comparing themselves to Palestinian camps training kids to use grenades and talking about building an army of god, I really couldn't tell. Sorry.

Wow that was a horrible apology for being wrong.

You need to work on that.

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Wow that was a horrible apology for being wrong.

You need to work on that.

I don't think so. The nice Christian lady explained that there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who believe in Jesus and those who don't. That seems like a pretty narrow, hateful view to me.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

I don't think so. The nice Christian lady explained that there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who believe in Jesus and those who don't. That seems like a pretty narrow, hateful view to me.

There are two types of people. Gay and Straight.

Is that hateful?

Of course not. I would say the reason you feel it is may be conviction.

Just for the record, I do believe this minority group is going overboard. And they really aren't following what the Bible teaches.

But I think some of you are exaggerating a bit.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

There are two types of people. Gay and Straight.

Is that hateful?

Of course not. I would say the reason you feel it is may be conviction.

Either you're being dense for the sake of argument, or you're really poor at picking up a-little-more-than-subtle messages.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Either you're being dense for the sake of argument, or you're really poor at picking up a-little-more-than-subtle messages.

No, I would say you two were projecting ideas or beliefs that simple aren't apparent there because you WANT that to be true.

Again, these people will be gone before any said battles if what the Bible said is indeed true.

So your ideas are pretty irrelevant.

hyteckit · Sep 2, 2006, 07:39 PM

"Who would give up their lives for Jesus" ... kids cheering. Great. Reminds me of the terrorist camps where kids cheer when asked "who would give up their lives for Allah". Next thing you know, they are strapped with a bomb and ask to die for Allah.

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

There are two types of people. Gay and Straight.

Is that hateful?

Of course not. I would say the reason you feel it is may be conviction.

Just for the record, I do believe this minority group is going overboard. And they really aren't following what the Bible teaches.

But I think some of you are exaggerating a bit.

Sexual orientation is a trait, while the statement she made implies an "us against them" attitude.

Going overboard? perhaps, but like I said before I would like to see the entire film.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

"Who would give up their lives for Jesus" ... kids cheering. Great. Reminds me of the terrorist camps where kids cheer when asked "who would give up their lives for Allah". Next thing you know, they are strapped with a bomb and ask to die for Allah.

Another projection.

The Bible talks about in the end Christians being murdered for admitting they believe. That denying Christ would save your "Life"

It says to give up ones life for the truth is something commendable.

It's not talking about suicide bombing.

I would never deny my faith to save my life here.

On the other hand, other religions have "get outs" that give you an ok to deny things about your religion to save your own life here on earth.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Sexual orientation is a trait, while the statement she made implies an "us against them" attitude.

Not to me it did not.

But according to the Bible that is how it ends. Human Secularism against the holy spirit basically.

goMac · Sep 2, 2006, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Another projection.

The Bible talks about in the end Christians being murdered for admitting they believe. That denying Christ would save your "Life"

It says to give up ones life for the truth is something commendable.

It's not talking about suicide bombing.

If you haven't picked it up yet, we're saying they operate just like Islamist extremists. You're saying it's ok just because they're Christian.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

If you haven't picked it up yet, we're saying they operate just like Islamist extremists. You're saying it's ok just because they're Christian.

I know the view you are trying to project. And every post you have made has been smacked down.

And no, that isn't what I am saying. I am saying you are totally wrong all the way around.

Go back and read my replies.

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Not to me it did not.

But according to the Bible that is how it ends. Human Secularism against the holy spirit basically.

Well, this trailer is really not enough to go on. Maybe they are extremists -- but maybe that's just the impression we're given so we'll be interested in seeing the movie. I hope I'm wrong and its just another benign camp-but I rather doubt it considering a movie about a run of the mill camp would be boring.

It's just this seems a lot different than the cookies, juice and Jesus at my camp! I saw NO cookies at this camp and I am offended by that alone!

hyteckit · Sep 2, 2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Well, this trailer is really not enough to go on. Maybe they are extremists -- but maybe that's just the impression we're given so we'll be interested in seeing the movie. I hope I'm wrong and its just another benign camp-but I rather doubt it considering a movie about a run of the mill camp would be boring.

It's just this seems a lot different than the cookies, juice and Jesus at my camp! I saw NO cookies at this camp and I am offended by that alone!

No cookies?! That's outrageous. Gotta have cookies and orange juice.

Zeeb · Sep 2, 2006, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

No cookies?! That's outrageous. Gotta have cookies and orange juice.

There can be no salvation for me without cookies and juice.

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

There can be no salvation for me without cookies and juice.

Ah if anything this makes up for the rest of the thread.

Pendergast · Sep 2, 2006, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

It's really not write to be filling kids minds like that at such a young age. They're teaching hate, just like the Islamic Extremists. They just think in since it's Christian hate it must be ok.

I really love how they said they were like the Palestinian camps that train kids with hand grenades. But again, because they're Christian, they think it must be ok.

This should be linked to the There-Are-No-Christian-Terrorists thread. These are Christian terrorists in training.

Well, as long as it is good, it can't be bad.

;o)

turtle777 · Sep 2, 2006, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

The nice Christian lady explained that there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who believe in Jesus and those who don't. That seems like a pretty narrow, hateful view to me.

WTF ?

a) What's narrow about it ?
b) What's hateful about it ?

It's like saying, "there are two kinds of people in the world: men and women" is narrow and hateful.

WTF ?

-t

Kevin · Sep 2, 2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

WTF ?

a) What's narrow about it ?
b) What's hateful about it ?

It's like saying, "there are two kinds of people in the world: men and women" is narrow and hateful.

WTF ?

-t

That was my point. *shrug*

Again I think people's own narrow view of things are in play here coloring the way they read things.

turtle777 · Sep 2, 2006, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That was my point. *shrug*

Yeah, I noticed after I finished posting. Posted for emphasis

-t

ironknee · Sep 2, 2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

WTF ?

a) What's narrow about it ?
b) What's hateful about it ?

It's like saying, "there are two kinds of people in the world: men and women" is narrow and hateful.

WTF ?

-t

she also said it is war...2 times even

and

that was scary...i somehow knew you were in one of there camps kevin...no offence

turtle777 · Sep 3, 2006, 12:01 AM

Oh, let me guess, you heard it on teh intarwebs. Must be true then.

-t

Spliffdaddy · Sep 3, 2006, 12:14 AM

War isn't inherently evil.

It's the reason there's a USA.

goMac · Sep 3, 2006, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

War isn't inherently evil.

It's the reason there's a USA.

You're talking about the smallest war in history on our own territory with virtually no enemy troop presence because they were over the Atlantic Ocean. As brave as those troops were, this isn't the Iraq War we're talking about.

ironknee · Sep 3, 2006, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

Oh, let me guess, you heard it on teh intarwebs. Must be true then.

-t

hum? was that for me? wha?

ebuddy · Sep 3, 2006, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

It's really not write to be filling kids minds like that at such a young age. They're teaching hate, just like the Islamic Extremists. They just think in since it's Christian hate it must be ok.

Who did they vow hatred against???

I really love how they said they were like the Palestinian camps that train kids with hand grenades. But again, because they're Christian, they think it must be ok.

Obviously, you didn't find the camp frightening enough. You're lying through your teeth here. The trailer clearly said that while kids in Palestine are going to camp and getting hand grenades, our kids are going to Bible camp. Clearly, in context the illustration was one of differences.

This should be linked to the There-Are-No-Christian-Terrorists thread. These are Christian terrorists in training.

What was terrorist about it???

ebuddy · Sep 3, 2006, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Aside from comparing themselves to Palestinian camps training kids to use grenades and talking about building an army of god, I really couldn't tell. Sorry.

Lying again.

Everyone, watch the friggin' trailer. Pleeeeeeez.

ebuddy · Sep 3, 2006, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

You must have missed that part where they said they were building gods army, had the kids in camo, or said they were the generation where Jesus would return.

You are aware of what the return of Jesus requires, right?

No, by all means... tell us what it means reverend goMac.

ebuddy · Sep 3, 2006, 03:32 PM

Attention;

goMac is opposed to Christianity.

Move along...

Spliffdaddy · Sep 3, 2006, 05:59 PM

Nah, Christianity is opposed to goMac.

Kevin · Sep 5, 2006, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Lying again.

Everyone, watch the friggin' trailer. Pleeeeeeez.

It seems they really don't care about truth ebuddy.

There is a consistent pattern here.

goMac · Sep 5, 2006, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Attention;

goMac is opposed to Christianity.

Move along...

How ironic.

Shaddim · Sep 6, 2006, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

a) Because if you somehow didn't pick it up, they're building an army to fight Islam.
b) See a.
c) Because Jesus won't return until there is a holy war.

A. Huh? Fabricate much?*
B. See A
C. No. The return will CAUSE the "holy war", according to evangelical doctrine. It will start the 7 years of tribulation.

Can't say that I agree with these people, but the kids aren't toting weapons, and and there was no sense of violence in the piece.

I don't know where in the hell you guys come up with your fantasies.

* "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

They don't look for "war" with mankind, but against demonic influence and spiritual corruption. It's a spiritual war fought with prayer, not grenades.

invisibleX · Sep 6, 2006, 12:36 PM

Its subtle but I see where GoMac is coming from.

The kids are chanting something about "righteous judges", wearing camo, and otherwise labeling the "enemy". Its it clear? No. Somewhat suggestive? Sort of. But please don't stop "smacking" each other down. Its both hilarious and sad at the same time.

What more worrying is that they're brainwashing children to promote their religion.

Sky Captain · Sep 6, 2006, 02:25 PM

Hmmm. Christian terrorist training camp. That's a bit of a stretch.

Invisible:
that's Abigale Freemantle, right?

ironknee · Sep 6, 2006, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Invisible:
that's Abigale Freemantle, right?

no. invisible, your god