Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

D. S. Troyer · Sep 12, 2006, 12:44 AM

...sh!t happens, people die, everyone hates everyone. world goes to sh!it on a greased rail. Worse things have happened. Get over it unless you've had family or friends involved.

I don't wanna go thru this every year for fex sake.

Let the crap fly.

Spliffdaddy · Sep 12, 2006, 12:47 AM

If I were a liberal I wouldn't want to go through this either.

Makes liberals look downright stupid.

UnixMac · Sep 12, 2006, 12:51 AM

There needs to be a balance between "never forget" and "move on"

For once, I find myself being "middle of the road" in something..

Spliffdaddy · Sep 12, 2006, 12:57 AM

Geez. The liberals wouldn't even let us talk about 9/11 the first couple of years afterward. Because they know they're weak on national defense and that makes them look bad.

But, lo and behold, they rammed Katrina down our throats at the first opportunity - and made a 2 week party out of it...all in an effort to blame Bush.

porieux · Sep 12, 2006, 02:04 AM

The liberals ate my baby.

Millennium · Sep 12, 2006, 05:40 AM

The way I see it, those who lost loved ones have every right to grieve and take whatever time is necessary. To everyone else, however, enough is enough already. This was getting old back in 2004, and now it's just ridiculous.

- - e r i k - - · Sep 12, 2006, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Geez. The liberals wouldn't even let us talk about 9/11 the first couple of years afterward. Because they know they're weak on national defense and that makes them look bad.

But, lo and behold, they rammed Katrina down our throats at the first opportunity - and made a 2 week party out of it...all in an effort to blame Bush.

Wow. You really take politics personal, don't you?

besson3c · Sep 12, 2006, 07:15 AM

It's funny how Spliffdaddy likes to curse his enemies based on his own generalizations.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 07:20 AM

I care, but damn, was there nothing on tv this weekend other that that?

n8236 · Sep 12, 2006, 07:30 AM

I usually love the History channel, but all it played these past 30 days was 9/11 stuff -_-; It was good the first and second time around, but after that it just got annoying.

Zeeb · Sep 12, 2006, 07:40 AM

When I see all this coverage 5 years later, its as if I'm being told that no one has ever lost a loved one except the 9/11 families. Or that the loved one they lost on 9/11 is much, much more significant than someone losing a family member in something more mundane like a car crash or a heart attack. These families seem to identify with their victimhood and its getting distasteful.

Of course the event should be remembered with memorials and in history books. But I'm over the victimhood.

Moderator · Sep 12, 2006, 08:14 AM

One thing that is true is that fear of "getting hit again" is totally unwarranted. The ONLY reason those thugs pulled that attack off is because we were all taught as passengers to sit back and wait for the hijackers to land the plane.

Knowing what we all know now..a terrorist with a box cutter couldn't get out of his seat to take a piss..he'd be jumped before he could spit out a sentence.

So of course we need to focus on wiping them out, and of course we need to be aggressive when looking for bombs etc. But do not forget..those guys exploited a psyche. That is gone now and thier advantage has disappeared.

The most important thing we can do now is become a positive influence for the region so that in 10 years the new crop isn't still trying to plan sh*t. Sadly, the current administration is taking us in the opposite direction. More people hate us now than ever before..and recruiting is as good as its ever been. This is not how you win this type of war.

Troll · Sep 12, 2006, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Moderator

One thing that is true is that fear of "getting hit again" is totally unwarranted. The ONLY reason those thugs pulled that attack off is because we were all taught as passengers to sit back and wait for the hijackers to land the plane.

Knowing what we all know now..a terrorist with a box cutter couldn't get out of his seat to take a piss..he'd be jumped before he could spit out a sentence.

So of course we need to focus on wiping them out, and of course we need to be aggressive when looking for bombs etc. But do not forget..those guys exploited a psyche. That is gone now and thier advantage has disappeared.

The most important thing we can do now is become a positive influence for the region so that in 10 years the new crop isn't still trying to plan sh*t. Sadly, the current administration is taking us in the opposite direction. More people hate us now than ever before..and recruiting is as good as its ever been. This is not how you win this type of war.

Well said!!

Shaddim · Sep 12, 2006, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I care, but damn, was there nothing on tv this weekend other that that?

I don't watch network TV, and neither do most other intelligent people.

Dakar · Sep 12, 2006, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

I don't watch network TV, and neither do most other intelligent people.

History, A&E, Discover, National Geographic were all saturated this weekend.

sek929 · Sep 12, 2006, 11:46 AM

Welcome to the USA. Where any event of "importance" gets beaten into the ground by the media. Then we get TV shows and movies just to continually remind us of what happened.

I F**KING know what happened! It's only 5 years ago! Christ! Americans have the attention span of limp asparagus.

It was an awful day (although the weather was gorgeous) and I feel bad for anyone who lost a loved one...but that should be a private mourning, not "let's make everyone in America mourn for our loss"

I lost a good friend to a car accident last year, I consider it to be 100x more important that the WTC attacks (to me personally of course)

So I agree with the OP, it is a little silly to have it thrown in your face every year on Sept the 11th.

itai195 · Sep 12, 2006, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

The way I see it, those who lost loved ones have every right to grieve and take whatever time is necessary. To everyone else, however, enough is enough already. This was getting old back in 2004, and now it's just ridiculous.

Yeah. I've got nothing against a solemn memorial of some sort, but this huge extravaganza every year is really unnecessary.

spacefreak · Sep 13, 2006, 12:22 AM

Yet no one complains about the annual Pearl Harbor coverage each December.

marden · Sep 13, 2006, 01:17 AM

I wish Clinton was President again so we could all just feel good again. Even if he was sweeping the dirt under the rug I don't care. Just tell me sweet, happy lies and let me die in peace.

We are all going to die from this terrorism, right?

spacefreak · Sep 13, 2006, 01:24 AM

Sure, let's just sit idle while our enemy continues their war against us.

Peace only follows decisive victories. If you've read some history, you'll know what I mean.

marden · Sep 13, 2006, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Sure, let's just sit idle while our enemy continues their war against us.

Peace only follows decisive victories. If you've read some history, you'll know what I mean.

I'm sorry, but I don't care about 911 now. That was five years ago. We are not going too well in the war. Everyday there are more problems. No one has the answer. Things are just so bad. If Clinton was prez he would make us feel good.

Troll · Sep 13, 2006, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Sure, let's just sit idle while our enemy continues their war against us.

Peace only follows decisive victories. If you've read some history, you'll know what I mean.

I've read some history and I'm not aware of any case where peace has resulted from a decisive victory against terrorists. Can you name a few for us?

Troll · Sep 13, 2006, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by marden

If Clinton was prez he would make us feel good.

Right after he'd had someone make HIM feel good.

Face Ache · Sep 13, 2006, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by marden

We are not going too well in the war.

At the current attrition rate we'll be out of Iraqis well before we run out of Americans.

If it's a big-assed war against the Muslims that you want, then surely we're only halfway there.

I think it's all going swimmingly well.

^ How I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.

Andy8 · Sep 13, 2006, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

I don't watch network TV, and neither do most other intelligent people.

Exactly!

- - e r i k - - · Sep 13, 2006, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Sure, let's just sit idle while our enemy continues their war against us.

Peace only follows decisive victories. If you've read some history, you'll know what I mean.

Yeah I hear those kooks are a big threat still.

sek929 · Sep 13, 2006, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Yet no one complains about the annual Pearl Harbor coverage each December.

On every channel?

On two days before the event happened and a day afterwards?

I don't even think I caught it last year, but 9/11 coverage is hard to miss.

voodoo · Sep 13, 2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

The way I see it, those who lost loved ones have every right to grieve and take whatever time is necessary. To everyone else, however, enough is enough already. This was getting old back in 2004, and now it's just ridiculous.

My thoughts exactly!

V

itai195 · Sep 13, 2006, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Yet no one complains about the annual Pearl Harbor coverage each December.

You kidding? Most Americans don't even know when the Pearl Harbor attack happened.

vmarks · Sep 13, 2006, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

You kidding? Most Americans don't even know when the Pearl Harbor attack happened.

You kidding? Most of the folks I know can tell me "Dec. 7 1941, day of infamy" without hesitation.

I blame your Californian schools.

itai195 · Sep 13, 2006, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by vmarks

I blame your Californian schools.

Perhaps

I remember as a senior in high school I was pretty much the only one in my civics course that knew the correct date for Pearl Harbor. Maybe it's a generational thing.

vmarks · Sep 13, 2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

Perhaps

I remember as a senior in high school I was pretty much the only one in my civics course that knew the correct date for Pearl Harbor. Maybe it's a generational thing.

When did you graduate high school?

itai195 · Sep 13, 2006, 01:37 PM

1999

vmarks · Sep 13, 2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

1999

1993. Not much of a generational difference outside of marketing, but you were a child of the eighties and I have memories that took place in the 70s.

Perhaps my experience is unique. Perhaps yours is. I tend to think 'studies' that show Americans don't know history are overblown, that they generally sample too small a number of people to extrapolate well.

Wiskedjak · Sep 13, 2006, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

I care, but damn, was there nothing on tv this weekend other that that?

Those planes slamming into the WTC make for massive ratings boosters. Spielberg couldn't have done a better job at making something like that more spectacular. If it was a bomb in a subway, we wouldn't be seeing those scenes over and over.

The simple fact of the matter is that if planes slammed into the WTC in a Die Hard movie, we'd be on the edge of seats with excitement.

That attack, gruesome as it was, is probably among most riveting military events ever for several reasons:
a) like Pearl Harbour, it caught the victim staring at it's toes
b) it used the victim's own hardware
c) it took down (literally) two of the biggest (again, literally) symbols of the victim's backbone
d) it was all captured on a variety of media (film, audio) from a huge variety of perspectives

Pearl Harbour only had 2 of those aspects.

sek929 · Sep 13, 2006, 04:34 PM

God Bless this media soaked time we live in!

screamingFit · Sep 15, 2006, 07:06 AM

Dump your TV. Problem solved.