[Cody Dawg]

Mel Gibson with his tirades at some poor cop.
Billy Lane of Monster Garage/Biker reality shows kills a great guy head-on while driving last week.
And now comes Mark Foley who is trying to justify his disgusting behavior by announcing he's an alcoholic:

October 1, 2006

Painfully, the events that led to my resignation have crystalized recognition of my longstanding significant alcohol and emotional difficulties.

I strongly believe that I am an alcoholic and have accepted the need for immediate treatment for alcoholism and related behavioral problems.

On Saturday, with the loving support of my family and friends, I made arrangements to enter a renowned in-patient facility to address my disease and related issues.

I deeply regret and accept full responsibility for the harm I have caused.

Over the weekend, I communicated extensively with one of the most respected mental health experts in Palm Beach County, Florida, who has been instrumental in counseling and assisting me.

Attorney David Roth, my good friend of four decades has been requested by me to fully and completely cooperate regarding any inquiries that may arise during my treatment.

Words cannot express my gratitude for the prayers and words of encouragement that have been conveyed to me.

Sincerely,

Mark A. Foley

Why is it that it takes getting busted or caught for people to suddenly "realize" that they are alcoholics? Seriously?

And, I don't care to be honest.

I do not think that "I'm an alcoholic" should ever be used to justify any behavior, period.

How about this: We're ALL alcoholics so we ALL practice moderation? Seriously? Don't drink to the point that you become an alcoholic. My father is an alcoholic and he too caused a great deal of damage to his own family and also by trying to pass on a double yellow line on a hill and hitting a family head-on back in the 70s. Killed the mother and the father and left their only daughter, a 16-year old, paralyzed from the waist down. My father is an ass. I haven't spoken to him for 20 years and I'll never speak to him again. He should be in jail. Instead he got a good lawyer and got off with the insurance company paying that family a few million bucks.

Because my father is an alcoholic and I have seen the way that alcoholics are I have made it a point to not be an alcoholic. I think that addictive personalities are genetic to a certain degree. Once I had a problem with painkillers and stopped as soon as I realized it - but I never hurt anyone in order to stop. (I stopped cold turkey I'd been taking them for about two months - my physician thought I was overreacting when I said, "I think I'm developing a problem with painkillers.")

I think that all people know when they have a problem - they just ignore it until they hurt or kill people and are forced to deal with it.

I have 0 sympathy for people who say that they are alcoholics and then they hurt and kill people and then claim that alcohol - or drugs - are responsible for their disgusting, illegal, and vile behaviors.

[marden]

Ooops. I didn't read the whole post. Sorry. Wasn't makin fun of your pain.

[nonhuman]

I suspect it's because, until that point, the only people they're obviously hurting, if anyone, are themselves. As long as no one else is being hurt, why should they, or anyone else, care?

[marden]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

I suspect it's because, until that point, the only people they're obviously hurting, if anyone, are themselves. As long as no one else is being hurt, why should they, or anyone else, care?

I wish we could find out their political preferences.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by marden

I wish we could find out their political preferences.

Huh? Alcoholism transcends politics.

[Cody Dawg]

That's for sure. I think a lot of our "elected leaders" are alcoholics. Like George Bush was/is. He doesn't drink at all at this point in his life. At least he didn't molest some boy or kill someone driving DUI.

[marden]

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Huh? Alcoholism transcends politics.

Politics transcends and trumps all. Even alkieholism.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by marden

Politics transcends and trumps all. Even alkieholism.

Man, if only you could have a love-child with Spliffdaddy. Every post that thing made would take the cake.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Man, if only you could have a love-child with Spliffdaddy. Every post that thing made would take the cake.

Are you sure spliffdaddy and Mojo aren't one and the same? Or brother and sister. Or old friends. Or colleagues. Or boss and employee. Or mentor and manatee? Or married. Or ex-lovers. Or soul sisters. Or liberals. Or Hispanic. Or fishermen. Or never use Crayola brand. Or bakers. Or cake decorators. Or wedding planners. Or enjoy Serge.

[Cody Dawg]

Or lives in Aberdeen.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Why is it that it takes getting busted or caught for people to suddenly "realize" that they are alcoholics? Seriously?

As you perceive, no one has "realized" anything. It's just standard operating procedure if you get busted.

In general, people (and courts) will go much easier on someone who who is in treatment.

You've mentioned "celebrity" types, but this is the case in the real world too.

Be a drunk asshole to your boss and co-workers and either a) get treatment, or b) get fired.

Even if everyone agrees that b is the correct course of action, if you do a, you immensely lower the probability of b. Or at least buy some time.

Celebrities are the same, only they are employed by "the people".

[Kerrigan]

Alcoholism is just a mask for depression or other personal deficiencies. I'm sure we all know that his real issue is that he's a closeted homosexual but he's obsessed with climbing the greasy pole of politics, so he'd prefer to stay in the closet in order to enhance his political prospects, at the expense of his mental well-being.

It's his own fault.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Or lives in Aberdeen.

One never knows.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Alcoholism is just a mask for depression or other personal deficiencies. I'm sure we all know that his real issue is that he's a closeted homosexual but he's obsessed with climbing the greasy pole of politics, so he'd prefer to stay in the closet in order to enhance his political prospects, at the expense of his mental well-being.

It's his own fault.

Perhaps his obsession with the 'greasy pole of politics' is just an expression of his latent homosexuality. If he were to come out, maybe he'd no longer be interested in politics.

[davesimondotcom]

I can't give people a "pass" for their behavior simply because they have a substance abuse problem.

Do I understand why he became an alcoholic, most likely? Yep. Closeted gay man (and sexual predator, too) in the Republican party, in the public eye, knowing at any minute it can all come crashing down on him.

If you ask me, he'd probably not have been a drinker if he was just honest with himself and came out of the closet. No big announcement necessary. Just be honest with himself.

But it does NOT excuse his behavior. Doesn't even mitigate it.

[Dakar]

Are there any openly gay senators or representatives in the Republican party right now?

[cwosigns]

I think Foley probably is using alcohol to garner sympathy for his predicament. Alcoholism is a scapegoat for many who don't want to accept responsibility for poor choices they make.

[Mithras]

Wow, Cody, I don't think I'd heard your story about your father before. I'm so sorry -- that must have been an unbearable pain. I entirely agree that Foley is adopting a total cop-out.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Are there any openly gay senators or representatives in the Republican party right now?

Barney Frank?

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The first-ever openly gay member of the U.S. House of Representatives is thinking about being the first-ever openly gay member of the U.S. Senate. Democratic representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts said he might take s stab at the senate if current senator and Democratic presidential aspirant John Kerry wins the chief executive's job or becomes vice president.

"If the Democrats are still in the minority [in the House] I am very likely to run," Frank said. "Even if you're in the minority in the Senate, you have much greater control over public policy than you have in the House."

If Frank does run, it won't be until 2006. Kerry must first win a bid fir the White House next year, and then Republican governor Mitt Romney would appoint someone to fill the vacancy until 2006.

"I can tell you right now it looks like a possibility, but in 2006 it could be a sure thing, a sure-not thing, or somewhere in between," Frank said.

[cwosigns]

My dad is an alcoholic, too. I watched him try to strangle my mom to death before chasing us through our neighborhood with a gun. My dad and I do still talk, though we're not really close. But we see each other around the holidays and talk on the phone once a month or so.

But I'm with Cody...I saw what it did to my dad, so I am never tempted to drink for the wrong reasons. I can have a couple beers out with friends and be done.

[subego]

Originally Posted by marden

Barney Frank?

Dem.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by marden

Barney Frank?

Reread my post.

[Cody Dawg]

What great posts - especially from fellow MacNNers who have struggled with having people close to them choose to drink.

Notice that I said choose because it is a choice to pick up that drink.

Do I think I could be an alcoholic? Sure thing. I could be. But I made it a personal choice a long time ago to limit my drinking.

My father is an ass. I tried to forgive him about 10 years ago but you know what? He's still an asshole. There's a lot more to the story than what I'm discussing here and a couple of people here know about it, but he should be in jail.

Anyway, this was a great post:

Kerrigan

I can't give people a "pass" for their behavior simply because they have a substance abuse problem.

Do I understand why he became an alcoholic, most likely? Yep. Closeted gay man (and sexual predator, too) in the Republican party, in the public eye, knowing at any minute it can all come crashing down on him.

If you ask me, he'd probably not have been a drinker if he was just honest with himself and came out of the closet. No big announcement necessary. Just be honest with himself.

But it does NOT excuse his behavior. Doesn't even mitigate it.

In fact, politicians are supposed to be leaders of the people and he should not only have the book thrown at him, but he should be held to a HIGHER standard than others. "Uh oh, I got busted...now what? Uh, let's see...maybe I can go into rehab. Yeah, that's the ticket, rehab, then maybe people will have a little more sympathy for me."



The truth is that:

1. Mark Foley is a sexual predator masquerading as a law-abiding citizen

2. Mark Foley abused his position

3. Mark Foley should even be charged with rape if it should turn out that he touched anyone under the age of 18 in a sexual manner.

He's a loser of the highest order.

[cwosigns]

Yeah...and I'm a little pissed he's giving us Gays a bad reputation. I just hope everyone knows that we're not ALL Republicans.

[Cody Dawg]

I think the term "sexual predator" is a better label for him.

It's not as if he was hooking up with gay men.

He was soliciting underaged BOYS.

That doesn't make him gay or not gay - it makes him a pervert and a sexual predator.

There's more to the story with Foley than most people know and it's going to come out over the next few days and weeks. He's probably going to jail.

[BRussell]

Do we know that Foley was gay? Was he in a relationship with an adult male? Maybe he was just a pedophile.

Anyway, I suppose he thinks it's better to be an alcoholic than... whatever he really is.

[Cody Dawg]

If he's been molesting boys - those under the age of 18 - then he's a pedophile.

Honestly, that's even worse than an alcoholic.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Anyway, this was a great post:

Thanks, those were my words, not Kerrigan's. Although I think he had much the same sentiment.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by BRussell

Do we know that Foley was gay? Was he in a relationship with an adult male? Maybe he was just a pedophile.

Anyway, I suppose he thinks it's better to be an alcoholic than... whatever he really is.

Gay or not, doesn't matter to me. He sounds like a sicko taking advantage of young, impressionable people - male or female.

[Cody Dawg]

Sorry, davismondotcom!



It was a great post of yours!

[Monique]

I have read a lot on alcolholism recently and I have a friend, her father was an alcholic and he would get drunk then come home and rape his wife. He mistreaded his wife so much that he killed her when my friend was only 12 then her brother became an alcholic then killed himself when he was 19 in a motorcycle accident; she was placed in foster care where she was raped; her sister became very cold, got married and lost her husband in a car accident (no alcohol involved). And I am working with an alcoholic so when she does not drink she is a very bad mood. I find it very sad but will not at any time encourage someone in their alcoholism by doing their jobs and say poor you poor you. There are so many programs and ways to help people with that problem, I admit, it is a very difficult problem to solve but it can be done.

[BlackGriffen]

Sadly, this is standard operating procedure for politicians - do something foul, go into treatment for alcoholism in the hopes that the voters will forgive and chalk up your behavior to having, "A little too much to drink."

I'm rather sick of alcoholics and drunk drivers getting a free pass, too. You wanna drink, that's fine. You do it irresponsibly and let it interfere with your judgement, you should face harsher penalties, not more lenient ones.

Think before you drink, damnit, cause you won't think quite as well after.

BG

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by BlackGriffen

Sadly, this is standard operating procedure for politicians - do something foul, go into treatment for alcoholism in the hopes that the voters will forgive and chalk up your behavior to having, "A little too much to drink."

I'm rather sick of alcoholics and drunk drivers getting a free pass, too. You wanna drink, that's fine. You do it irresponsibly and let it interfere with your judgement, you should face harsher penalties, not more lenient ones.

Think before you drink, damnit, cause you won't think quite as well after.

BG

Exactly. Being drunk does not absolve you of your responsibility. Unless, of course, you were given alcohol without your knowledge and consent...

[ink]

Foley won "boner of the day" on a local morning show that I listen to. Didn't that representative from Ohio try the same alcoholism thing after he was implicated in the Abramoff scandal?

Good point Cody.

[Ganesha]

Originally Posted by Dakar

Are there any openly gay senators or representatives in the Republican party right now?

Jim Kolbe of Arizona 8th is openly gay.

[macintologist]

Alcoholism isn't a disease. Addiction isn't a disease. To say it's a disease is one wrong step in the direction of abdicating responsibility for your actions.

[Dakar]

There we go. Thank you.

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Ganesha

Jim Kolbe of Arizona 8th is openly gay.

There are a few others that are widely known or rumored to be gay, but are not really officially out, like David Dreier.

[Gossamer]

Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only disease you can get yelled at for having. "Dammit, Otto, you are an alcoholic." "Dammit, Otto, you have Lupus." One of those two doesn't sound right.

Mitch Hedberg rocks.

[macintologist]

Alcoholism, like any addiction, is not a disease.

[finboy]

I guess some folks would disagree with you:

Disease Theory of Alcoholism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I wouldn't disagree with you. Alcoholism is a behavioral issue -- just like any other kind of addiction. The idea that it's a disease is a rationalization. I'm sure Wikipedia defines that one too.

[spindler]

You guys are simplifying alcoholism. Let's look at the bad things a person is and is not responsible for.

This Foley guy is just a bad guy and I doubt that being a perv has anything to do with drug abuse.

But not all alcoholism is based on personal problems or emotional difficulties. Lots of people, probably half, are just physically and chemically addicted. Much like a 500 pound person's brain just tells them "Eat, eat, eat" an alcoholics brain keeps giving them overwhelming physical urges to drink.

I don't know what happens in the brain of an alcoholic or if they could have seen it coming. Maybe so, maybe not. But how come we forgive people for weighing 300 pounds (addicted to food) but not for being alcoholics? After all, weighing 300 pounds can be as destructive on your life as being an alcoholic. The same man or woman who weighs 300 pounds would have a dramatically happier life at 130 pounds. 300 pound women don't get many dates. But we don't call them "losers" or "lowlifes" because their brain unfortunately continuously nags them to eat.

Perhaps alcoholics could have seen it coming, but after they are addicted, I don't think you should say they lack character for not giving it up any more than a 300 pound person lacks character for not being able to lose weight.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by spindler

You guys are simplifying alcoholism. Let's look at the bad things a person is and is not responsible for.

This Foley guy is just a bad guy and I doubt that being a perv has anything to do with drug abuse.

But not all alcoholism is based on personal problems or emotional difficulties. Lots of people, probably half, are just physically and chemically addicted. Much like a 500 pound person's brain just tells them "Eat, eat, eat" an alcoholics brain keeps giving them overwhelming physical urges to drink.

I don't know what happens in the brain of an alcoholic or if they could have seen it coming. Maybe so, maybe not. But how come we forgive people for weighing 300 pounds (addicted to food) but not for being alcoholics? After all, weighing 300 pounds can be as destructive on your life as being an alcoholic. The same man or woman who weighs 300 pounds would have a dramatically happier life at 130 pounds. 300 pound women don't get many dates. But we don't call them "losers" or "lowlifes" because their brain unfortunately continuously nags them to eat.

Perhaps alcoholics could have seen it coming, but after they are addicted, I don't think you should say they lack character for not giving it up any more than a 300 pound person lacks character for not being able to lose weight.

"If you are an asshole when you are drunk…IT'S BECAUSE YOUR AN ASSHOLE, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE!" - Augie Smith

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

If he's been molesting boys - those under the age of 18 - then he's a pedophile.

I agree that what Foley did was wrong and inappropriate but this pedophile label is retarded. A 16 year old is no more a "child" than an 18 year old is an "adult". Legally speaking sure, but "legally" and "reality" are two different things. I'm not saying that it's all okie-dokie with me, but we need to stop putting people like Foley in the same class as people like John Mark Karr.

If he was in a different state the fact that he was 16 wouldn't have mattered.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by spindler

You guys are simplifying alcoholism. Let's look at the bad things a person is and is not responsible for.

This Foley guy is just a bad guy and I doubt that being a perv has anything to do with drug abuse.

But not all alcoholism is based on personal problems or emotional difficulties. Lots of people, probably half, are just physically and chemically addicted. Much like a 500 pound person's brain just tells them "Eat, eat, eat" an alcoholics brain keeps giving them overwhelming physical urges to drink.

I don't know what happens in the brain of an alcoholic or if they could have seen it coming. Maybe so, maybe not. But how come we forgive people for weighing 300 pounds (addicted to food) but not for being alcoholics? After all, weighing 300 pounds can be as destructive on your life as being an alcoholic. The same man or woman who weighs 300 pounds would have a dramatically happier life at 130 pounds. 300 pound women don't get many dates. But we don't call them "losers" or "lowlifes" because their brain unfortunately continuously nags them to eat.

Perhaps alcoholics could have seen it coming, but after they are addicted, I don't think you should say they lack character for not giving it up any more than a 300 pound person lacks character for not being able to lose weight.

It's because far too much of America retains the puritanical values of the original settlers we falsely glorify in schools for our children. Alcohol is the very essence of evil, and anyone who drinks it is a sinner. The more alcohol you drink, the worse you are. So obviously alcoholics or hideous monsters.

Fat people, on the other hand, just eat food. Everyone likes food.

(Note: I'm not saying that modern Christians are the problem here. It's the legacy left by some of the most extremist of pseudo-Christians who, for whatever reason, are considered heros by nearly the entirety of America.)

[Cody Dawg]

Oh, come ON.

He's not a pedophile? He's 52 and he's hitting on 16 year olds?

I'd have my husband or someone else knock out his teeth if he hit on my kid like that.

Here are some of his "discussions":

(Mark Foley is "MAF")

CAUTION MATURE CONTENT BELOW
Maf54 (7:37:27 PM): how my favorite young stud doing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:37:46 PM): tired and sore
…
Maf54 (7:39:32 PM): you need a massage
…
Xxxxxxxxx (7:41:57 PM): ugh tomorrow i have the first day of lacrosse practice
Maf54 (7:42:27 PM): love to watch that
Maf54 (7:42:33 PM): those great legs running
Xxxxxxxxx (7:42:38 PM): haha…they arent great
…
Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi
Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny
Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol…a bit
Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy
Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow…
Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:51 PM): haha
Maf54 (7:50:02 PM): or tired..helps me sleep
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:15 PM): thats true
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:36 PM): havent been having a problem with sleep though.. i just walk in the door and collapse well at least this weekend
Maf54 (7:50:56 PM): i am sure
Xxxxxxxxx (7:50:57 PM): i dont do it very often normally though
Maf54 (7:51:11 PM): why not
Maf54 (7:51:22 PM): at your age seems like it would be daily
Xxxxxxxxx (7:51:57 PM): not me
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:01 PM): im not a horn dog
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:07 PM): maybe 2 or 3 times a week
Maf54 (7:52:20 PM): thats a good number
Maf54 (7:52:27 PM): in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:36 PM): actually usually i dont do it in the shower
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:42 PM): just cause i shower in the morning
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:47 PM): and quickly
Maf54 (7:52:50 PM): in the bed
Xxxxxxxxx (7:52:59 PM): i get up at 530 and am outta the house by 610
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:03 PM): eh ya
Maf54 (7:53:24 PM): on your back
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:30 PM): no face down
Maf54 (7:53:32 PM): love details
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:34 PM): lol
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:36 PM): i see that
Xxxxxxxxx (7:53:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:53:39 PM): really
Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand…i use the bed itself
Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it
Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel
Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really
Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya
Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice
Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:00 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:05 PM): well ive never watched myslef
Xxxxxxxxx (7:56:08 PM): but ya i guess
Maf54 (7:56:18 PM): i am sure not
Maf54 (7:56:22 PM): hmmm
Maf54 (7:56:30 PM): great visual
…
Maf54 (7:57:05 PM): i always use lotion and the hand
Maf54 (7:57:10 PM): but who knows
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:24 PM): i dont use lotion…takes too much time to clean up
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:37 PM): with a towel you can just wipe off….and go
Maf54 (7:57:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:57:45 PM): where do you throw the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:48 PM): but you cant work it too hard….or its not good
Xxxxxxxxx (7:57:51 PM): in the laundry
Maf54 (7:58:16 PM): just kinda slow rubbing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:23 PM): ya….
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:32 PM): or youll rub yourslef raw
Maf54 (7:58:37 PM): well I have aa totally stiff wood now
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:40 PM): cause the towell isnt very soft
Maf54 (7:58:44 PM): i bet..taht would hurt
Xxxxxxxxx (7:58:50 PM): but you cn find something softer than a towell i guess
Maf54 (7:58:59 PM): but it must feel great spirting on the towel
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:06 PM): ya
Maf54 (7:59:29 PM): wow
Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp…or growing
Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing
Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm
Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich
Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what
Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**
Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like
Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom
Maf54 (8:01:04 PM): whats yours
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:09 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:14 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:23 PM): i have a cast fetish
Maf54 (8:01:27 PM): well tell me
Maf54 (8:01:32 PM): cast
Xxxxxxxxx (8:01:44 PM): ya like…plaster cast
Maf54 (8:01:49 PM): ok..so what happens
Maf54 (8:01:58 PM): how does that turn you in
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:02 PM): i dont know
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:04 PM): it just does
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:08 PM): ive never had one
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:16 PM): but people that have them turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:27 PM): and if i had one it would probably turn me on
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:29 PM): beats me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:32 PM): its kinda weird
Xxxxxxxxx (8:02:50 PM): but along with that i like the whole catholic girl look….thats our schools uniform
Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild
Xxxxxxxxx (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard
Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2
Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going
Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake
Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab
Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight…dont get to excited
Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard
Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true
Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:11 PM): and also tru
Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that
Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again
Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2
Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful
Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol
Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you
Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya
Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out
Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb…my mom is yelling
Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back
Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no
Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:59 PM): she is computer dumb though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:01 PM): it makes me so mad
Maf54 (8:15:04 PM): good
Maf54 (8:15:08 PM): haha
Maf54 (8:15:11 PM): why
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:23 PM): cause she cant do anything
Maf54 (8:15:31 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:15:41 PM): she couldnt figure out how to download a file from an email and open it
Maf54 (8:15:53 PM): haha
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:14 PM): and she only does it like a million times a day
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:16 PM): oh well
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:18 PM): whatever
Xxxxxxxxx (8:16:53 PM): well i better go finish my hw…i just found out from a friend that i have to finish reading and notating a book for AP english Maf54 signed off at 8:17:43 PM.”
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Here’s another excerpt:

Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes
Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts
Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you
Maf54 (7:53:45 PM): in your shorts and polo shirt?
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:06 PM): no athletic shorts and t shirt…had soccer practice today
Maf54 (7:54:15 PM): ummm nice
Maf54 (7:54:30 PM): jock strap too
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:41 PM): not iin soccer
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:54:42 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:09 PM): what do you wear then
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:55:20 PM): just our boxers and shorts
Maf54 (7:55:34 PM): good
Xxxxxxxxxx (7:55:37 PM): lol
Maf54 (7:55:42 PM): shows your package then
Xxxxxxxxxx (8:33:29 PM): ya slow things down a little im still young…like under 18 dont want to do anything illegal…im not 18 till feb 23
Maf54 (8:33:43 PM): i know..
Maf54 (8:33:50 PM): nothing will happen
Maf54 (8:34:04 PM): just dreaming
Maf54 (8:45:32 PM): your horny though
Xxxxxxxxx (8:45:39 PM): well ya a bit
Xxxxxxxxx (8:45:45 PM): but im still a virgin
Maf54 (6:26:40 PM): your in the boxers too
Xxxxxxxxx (6:26:47 PM): nope just got home
Maf54 (6:27:39 PM): well strip down and get relaxed

You're saying that he's not a perv, smacintush?

[Dakar]

If he were 30 years younger, hot, and female, I'd re-elect it.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

You're saying that he's not a perv, smacintush?

You need to re-read my post. The word "perv" is fine by me, but no, I don't think the word "pedophile" is appropriate.

Where I live it is perfectly legal for me…a 33 year old…to sleep with a 16 year old. If I did that would I be a "pedophile"?

And weren't YOU the one griping about someone else posting inappropriate material here? Hypocrite much?

[Cody Dawg]

Go ahead.

Have a relationship with a 16-year old boy you perv.



You're saying that's okay?

Now I know what to think of you - and so do others.

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Go ahead.

Have a relationship with a 16-year old boy you perv.



You're saying that's okay?

Now I know what to think of you - and so do others.

loser?