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marden · Oct 2, 2006, 11:37 AM

Amish School Shooting in PA. Several reported killed according to MSNBC

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Shooting reported at Pa. Amish school
Posted 10/2/2006 12:22 PM ET

NICKEL MINES, Pa. (AP) — Police surrounded a one-room Amish schoolhouse Monday in response to reports of multiple shooting victims, a television station reported.
WGAL-TV said the incident occurred in southeastern Lancaster County.

About three dozen Amish people were standing behind a police line, and at least two ambulances had left the scene, the station said. Television news helicopters showed a person being taken away on a stretcher to a waiting medical helicopter.

The Lancaster County 911 website reported that dozens of emergency units were dispatched to a "medical emergency" at 10:45 a.m. Monday.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
USATODAY.com - 'Number' of people killed in Amish school shooting

nonhuman · Oct 2, 2006, 11:40 AM

Witnesses report shooter used a long matchlock, modified with a custom stock to get around the strict Amish ban on assault muskets.

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 11:41 AM

AP: Several Dead In Lancaster County School Shooting

POSTED: 11:47 am EDT October 2, 2006
UPDATED: 12:37 pm EDT October 2, 2006

The Associated Press now reports several people shot to death at a school in Lancaster County, Pa., in the town of Paradise.

The Wolf Rock school is located on Mine Road. Police say the situation is now under control.
Witnesses told WGAL-TV in Lancaster that a man went into the school and took hostages. Some people in the Amish community learned about the situation and contacted police.

The shooter, who is a male, is also reportedly in custody.
Numerous medical personnel were called to the scene and people were seen being evacuated by helicopter to Hershey Medical Center.

Three people were also taken by ground to Lancaster General Hospital.
NBC 10 will have details on this developing story and our John Blunt is at the shooting scene.

NBC10.com - Local News - AP: Several Dead In Lancaster County School Shooting

MSNBC REPORTS NBC NEWS CONFIRMS 5 DEAD

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 11:47 AM

One room school, 27 students, grades 1-8.

One shooter.

WGAL-TV
12:27 p.m. EDT October 2, 2006

Police have responded to reports of a hostage situation and multiple people shot in eastern Lancaster County at a small, one-room Amish schoolhouse.

PICTURES: Scene

The scene is along the 4800 block of Mine Road in Bart Township. Witnesses told News 8 reporter Anne Shannon that a man went into school and took hostages. Some people in the Amish community learned about the situation and contacted police. Witnesses told Shannon that this is tragedy not ever seen before in Lancaster County. Shannon also said that the hostage situation is over. Officials said the hostage taker is deceased.

Witnesses also told Shannon that this is tragedy not ever seen before in Lancaster County.

"This is definitely an enormous scene," Shannon said.

Lancaster General Hospital has called in all available personnel. They have been told to be prepared for a large number of patients.

John Lines of Lancaster General Hospital said so far they have received three "pediatric" patients. He did not say what their injuries were.

Hershey Medical Center in Dauphin County has also been warned that they might be receiving patients.

News 8 is stressing that the situation does not involve the Faith Mennonite School or Bart-Colerain Elementary, which are near the scene.

BREAKING NEWS: Police Surround One-Room Amish Schoolhouse - News - MSNBC.com

nonhuman · Oct 2, 2006, 11:53 AM

Grades 1-8?!?

What the hell is wrong with people?

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 11:54 AM

In an unrelated story...

http://cbs3.com/national/topstories_...275110725.html

Report: 2 Las Vegas Schools In Lockdown
CBS News Interactive: School Shootings

(AP) LAS VEGAS Two schools were locked down Monday while police searched for a teenager who had been spotted on a high school campus with a gun, authorities said.

No students were hurt, and police said there was no initial indication that the teenager, who they said was not a student, had threatened anyone with the weapon, said Sean Walker, a North Las Vegas police spokesman.

The teen ran from the school after being confronted by campus police as students were arriving at Mojave High School, Walker said.

A handgun was found behind a nearby church, and both the high school and nearby Elizondo Elementary School were locked down while police searched the surrounding neighborhoods for the teen, Walker said.

School districts across the country have been especially sensitive to threats after deadly shootings last week at schools in Wisconsin and Colorado.

On Friday, a school principal was gunned down in Cazenovia, Wis., and a 15-year-old student, described as upset over a reprimand, was charged with murder. Just two days earlier, an adult gunman held six girls hostage in a school at Bailey, Colo., before killing a 16-year-old girl and then himself.

On Sept. 21, three high school seniors in Green Bay, Wis., were charged with conspiracy to commit homicide for allegedly planning to attack a school with guns and bombs.

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Grades 1-8?!?

What the hell is wrong with people?

According to MSNBC unconfirmed eyewitness report, a person named "Roy" entered the school this morning and for some reason the parents of some of the kids called authorities who responded with some kind of 'negotiator' when shortly thereafter 10 shots were fired.

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 12:05 PM

marden · Oct 2, 2006, 12:24 PM

http://www.wpxi.com/news/9982165/detail.html

SCHOOL SHOOTING
Images: Amish School Shooting
More Images: Lancaster County School Shooting

Police: Several Killed At Amish School In Pa.

Coroner Says At Least Six Are Dead

POSTED: 12:16 pm EDT October 2, 2006
UPDATED: 1:21 pm EDT October 2, 2006

Police say a "number" of people have been killed in a shooting at a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster County, Pa.

A county coroner said at least six people were killed in the shooting at the Wolf Rock School. Police said the situation is now under control. Earlier, there were reports of a hostage situation and multiple people shot at the one-room schoolhouse in eastern Lancaster County.

"There are a number of people dead. ... The exact number I do not know yet," state police Cpl. Ralph Striebig said. The person who fired the shots was among those killed, Striebig said.
The scene is near Paradise Township, Pa. Lancaster TV station WGAL reported that the school is marked off with police tape and there were at least 13 ambulances in the area. A helicopter was overhead and several firefighting companies were on the ground.

Witnesses said that a man named Roy entered the schoolhouse Monday morning and started making threats, WGAL reported. Some people in the Amish community learned about the situation and contacted police. Negotiations took place, but at some point, at least 10 shots were fired within the school, police said.

About three dozen Amish people were standing behind a police line, and at least two ambulances had left the scene, the station said. Television news helicopters showed a person being taken away on a stretcher to a waiting medical helicopter.

The Lancaster County 911 Web site reported that dozens of emergency units were dispatched to a "medical emergency" at 10:45 a.m. Monday. Lancaster General Hospital officials have called in all available personnel and were told to be prepared for a large number of patients, WGAL reported.

John Lines of Lancaster General Hospital said that so far they have received three patients ranging in age from 6 to 15. One of them is in critical condition. Hershey Medical Center in Dauphin County, Pa., has also been warned that they will be receiving a patient via airlift.
Police are now searching around the school for victims who may be hiding in nearby fields.
The schoolhouse serves about 30 students from first to eighth grade.

WGAL-TV reported that the incident does not involve the Faith Mennonite School or Bart-Colerain Elementary, which are near the scene.

ghporter · Oct 2, 2006, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Witnesses report shooter used a long matchlock, modified with a custom stock to get around the strict Amish ban on assault muskets.

Very much unfunny.

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Grades 1-8?!?

What the hell is wrong with people?

What's your problem here? Twenty-seven students in the community need a school, and there's no reason for them to rid a bus for three hours to get to the next town-if their religion allowed them to ride a bus in the first place.

Is there some reason you're being this way?

Millennium · Oct 2, 2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

What's your problem here? Twenty-seven students in the community need a school, and there's no reason for them to rid a bus for three hours to get to the next town-if their religion allowed them to ride a bus in the first place.

Is there some reason you're being this way?

I don't think nonhuman was complaining about the structure of the school. I think this was about the fact that this shooting didn't even take place in a high school, as the others have. This one was with much younger students.

However, there's something else worth noting here which I think some people may be missing: this shooting wasn't perpetrated by a student. In fact, none of the shootings in the recent set seem to have been committed by students. In all cases -not counting the aborted attempts in Vegas- the perpetrator was an adult, apparently unconnected with the school being attacked.

I'm forced to echo the "what the hell is wrong with people?!" sentiment, though. Not that there's ever any acceptable or valid excuse for school shootings, but the previous ones weren't totally random like this; at the very least they were committed by people with a connection to the communities they destroyed. But this current batch is well and truly senseless.

nonhuman · Oct 2, 2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

Very much unfunny.

Yeah, I know. I just couldn't resist.

What's your problem here? Twenty-seven students in the community need a school, and there's no reason for them to rid a bus for three hours to get to the next town-if their religion allowed them to ride a bus in the first place.

Is there some reason you're being this way?

What Millenium said. I mean what's wrong with someone that they would shoot up a bunch of little kids. Not that it's ok to shoot up a high school, but first graders? That just a new level of depraved.

nonhuman · Oct 2, 2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

However, there's something else worth noting here which I think some people may be missing: this shooting wasn't perpetrated by a student. In fact, none of the shootings in the recent set seem to have been committed by students. In all cases -not counting the aborted attempts in Vegas- the perpetrator was an adult, apparently unconnected with the school being attacked.

I've been noticing that too. A very strange trend. Perhaps some sort of copy-cat crime, with older people trying to get revenge after the fact for the injustices they perceived themselves to have suffered back when they actually were in school?

Edit:
Yeah, guess so:

The gunman, Charles Carl Roberts IV, a 32-year-old truck driver from the nearby town of Bart, was bent on killing young girls as a way of "acting out in revenge for something that happened 20 years ago" when he was a boy, Miller said.

The Godfather · Oct 3, 2006, 01:59 AM

They called me crazy, but there IS a market for Dora-the-Explorer bulletproof vests for schoolchildren.

- - e r i k - - · Oct 3, 2006, 02:04 AM

God moves in mysterious ways …

Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Grades 1-8?!?

What the hell is wrong with people?

It means that either their first graders are incredibly smart or their 8th graders incredibly dumb.

Anyway. Pretty terrible.

We need to ask ourselves: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What did he do?

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

It means that either their first graders are incredibly smart or their 8th graders incredibly dumb.

Kinda reminds me of the dynamic here where some folks have to tolerate those who are not that advanced. And Christian conservatives have to tolerate the most here.

Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by marden

And Christian conservatives have to tolerate the most here.

Too bad they're so damn intolerant in general.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

God moves in mysterious ways …

I will smile here and now because I know how He works in my life and I will say this. Don't be surprised if your attitude is presented to you for you to examine.

Mysterious ways, for sure!

I won't be there with you when it happens but it will happen.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Too bad they're so damn intolerant in general.

Just as some of you cite President Bush for criticism because he seldom acknowledges mistakes the same principle applies to you.

As Christians we have a scorecard against which we try to measure up. Everyone can see how well or poorly we are doing by being aware of the Bible's teachings. And when we make mistakes, as we all do as human beings, we try to do better next time and to learn from our mistakes. The key is to acknowledge we have sinned and then try harder next time.

For this we have the Bible to use as guidance.

How do we know that you ever have reached your ultimate ambition or not? You might think you are perfect and that makes you able to stand on the sideline and criticize us because you have aimed at becoming what you are and you aspire no higher.

TheWOAT · Oct 3, 2006, 02:37 AM

The jokes in this thread suck.

Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by marden

As Christians we have a scorecard against which we try to measure up. Everyone can see how well or poorly we are doing by being aware of the Bible's teachings.

And the way things are looking now, you're doing EXTREMELY poor - by your own standards!

Originally Posted by marden

…we try to do better next time and to learn from our mistakes.

Don't all human beings do this?

Originally Posted by marden

The key is to acknowledge we have sinned and then try harder next time. For this we have the Bible to use as guidance.

The problem here is that, when taken literally, the bible is a terrible "guide". You might as well try to learn about zoology by reading Winnie the Pooh.

Originally Posted by marden

How do we know that you ever have reached your ultimate ambition or not?

I'll let you know as soon as I had three way sex with Angelina Jolie and Tricia Helfer.

voodoo · Oct 3, 2006, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

Witnesses report shooter used a long matchlock, modified with a custom stock to get around the strict Amish ban on assault muskets.

I like my humor like I like my coffee. Pitch black

V

Kevin · Oct 3, 2006, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

God moves in mysterious ways …

So do trolls.

Grow up erik.

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Too bad they're so damn intolerant in general.

You aren't one to be pointing the intolerant finger Kr0nos. When you start being a bit more tolerant in here I might take your rantings about others intolerance a bit more seriously. You don't care about being tolerant, or tolerance.

This thread has NOTHING TO DO with Christianity, but you two just simply couldn't help yourself could you?

Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

You aren't one to be pointing the intolerant finger Kr0nos.

If you were only half the accepting person I am, you might be able to lecture me about "tolerance".
Being that you're a closed-minded little fundie, it would behoove you to drop that condescending attitude of yours.

You're hardly in a position to tell others to "grow up"!

Originally Posted by Kevin

This thread has NOTHING TO DO with Christianity, but you two just simply couldn't help yourself could you?

Gee, I could have SWORN this thread was about a group of Christian heretics, like yourself, you know.

ebuddy · Oct 3, 2006, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

Gee, I could have SWORN this thread was about a group of Christian heretics, like yourself, you know.

Actually, I thought the story was about one, lone gunman; out to exact crimes against kids in a school to assuage his own deep-seeded anxieties from child-hood. I'm not sure anyone has said or is even remotely suggesting that this occurred because the gunman was Amish, or because the children were attending an Amish school right?

Sky Captain · Oct 3, 2006, 07:54 AM

This atrocity was commited by someone "angry at God".
Seems I heard the same lines about Kimveer Gill in Canada.

ebuddy · Oct 3, 2006, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

This atrocity was commited by someone "angry at God".
Seems I heard the same lines about Kimveer Gill in Canada.

Why just girls I wonder?

Sky Captain · Oct 3, 2006, 08:18 AM

It's God's gault they couldn't hold a relationship?

Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Why just girls I wonder?

In a crime that involves Christianity, - c'mon I'm sure you have a better imagination than that?

- - e r i k - - · Oct 3, 2006, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

So do trolls.

Grow up erik.

You aren't one to be pointing the intolerant finger Kr0nos. When you start being a bit more tolerant in here I might take your rantings about others intolerance a bit more seriously. You don't care about being tolerant, or tolerance.

This thread has NOTHING TO DO with Christianity, but you two just simply couldn't help yourself could you?

Touchy touchy.

If that was a troll, you bit. Insecure much?

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

And the way things are looking now, you're doing EXTREMELY poor - by your own standards!

Don't all human beings do this?

The problem here is that, when taken literally, the bible is a terrible "guide". You might as well try to learn about zoology by reading Winnie the Pooh.

I'll let you know as soon as I had three way sex with Angelina Jolie and Tricia Helfer.

Just remember this, you are disavowed by your own 5% smarty pants. Those women have standards, you'd never get a chance.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

Touchy touchy.

If that was a troll, you bit. Insecure much?

You hate Bush? Maybe there's a place for you down under.

Bush House
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Phone: (07) 5533 - 8408, Fax: (07) 5533 - 8408
Email: peter@bushhouse.net
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Kr0nos · Oct 3, 2006, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Just remember this, you are disavowed by your own 5% smarty pants. Those women have standards, you'd never get a chance.

While that might be true, I'm sure I'd have a better chance of getting a blowjob by angelina, than any of you guys getting into your heaven.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

While that might be true, I'm sure I'd have a better chance of getting a blowjob by angelina, than any of you guys getting into your heaven.

You show your ignorance and think it's wisdom.

Zeeb · Oct 3, 2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Kinda reminds me of the dynamic here where some folks have to tolerate those who are not that advanced. And Christian conservatives have to tolerate the most here.

Marden, I'd like to point out that yours was the very first comment in this thread that derailed it. This shooting has absolutely no connection to Christian conservatives or the related issues. I also like how you try to set yourself above people by intimating that you are "advanced" while others are not.

Why don't you start your own threads if you want to discuss how advanced you are and how everyone should admire you?

Sky Captain · Oct 3, 2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Kr0nos

While that might be true, I'm sure I'd have a better chance of getting a blowjob by angelina, than any of you guys getting into your heaven.

I will be carried by a raven to my heaven.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

Marden, I'd like to point out that yours was the very first comment in this thread that derailed it. This shooting has absolutely no connection to Christian conservatives or the related issues. I also like how you try to set yourself above people by intimating that you are "advanced" while others are not.

Why don't you start your own threads if you want to discuss how advanced you are and how everyone should admire you?

marden Amish School Shooting in PA. Several reported killed according to MSNBC

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Shooting reported at Pa. Amish school
Posted 10/2/2006 12:22 PM ET

Dakar · Oct 3, 2006, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

I will be carried by a raven to my heaven.

davesimondotcom · Oct 3, 2006, 10:06 AM

Some of you people amaze me. For the third time in a week, children have had to see and experience things nobody should ever have to see or experience. And all you people can do is argue about religion.

davesimondotcom · Oct 3, 2006, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Jamal is going to get shut down this week playing my Broncos. I'm more worried about Steve McNair/Todd Heap.

Dark Helmet · Oct 3, 2006, 10:14 AM

Men are messed up. I mean when was the last time a woman went on a revenge killing on something that happened 20 years ago and decided to take it out on young girls?

Sky Captain · Oct 3, 2006, 10:16 AM

Men are wired differently.
Evolution saw to that.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 11:47 AM

Pennsylvania Governor, Ed Rendell just used a TERRIBLE analogy in the press conference dealing with the aftermath of the shooting. In talking about how the act was random and how there was nothing that could be done about it he said something like, 'it's like if someone wanted to kill the President of the United States, even if he were surrounded by 50 Secret Service men, if someone wanted to swap their life for the President's there is nothing that could be done.'

THAT was a slip of the tongue that shows where his head is.

Just for fun, see if you can easily find his political affiliation on the PA website. He hides it.

He's a democrat.

What a jerky thing to say.

davesimondotcom · Oct 3, 2006, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Pennsylvania Governor, Ed Rendell just used a TERRIBLE analogy in the press conference dealing with the aftermath of the shooting. In talking about how the act was random and how there was nothing that could be done about it he said something like, 'it's like if someone wanted to kill the President of the United States, even if he were surrounded by 50 Secret Service men, if someone wanted to swap their life for the President's there is nothing that could be done.'

THAT was a slip of the tongue that shows where his head is.

Just for fun, see if you can easily find his political affiliation on the PA website. He hides it.

He's a democrat.

What a jerky thing to say.

I believe he was basically paraphrasing something JFK said. That, essentially, despite all security measures, if someone is willing to trade their own life for the President's, they can succeed.

I don't think he was encoding a special secret message to his fellow Democrats to have some left-wing sleeper cell wake up.

olePigeon · Oct 3, 2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Men are wired differently.
Evolution saw to that.

When something good happens, praise God. When somthing bad happens, blame it on Evolution.

olePigeon · Oct 3, 2006, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by marden

You show your ignorance and think it's wisdom.

You read fiction and call it truth.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by davesimondotcom

I believe he was basically paraphrasing something JFK said. That, essentially, despite all security measures, if someone is willing to trade their own life for the President's, they can succeed.

I don't think he was encoding a special secret message to his fellow Democrats to have some left-wing sleeper cell wake up.

I don't either. But with copycat killings going on in schools how dense must anyone be to not recognize the importance of suggestable words and ideas to whackkos.

marden · Oct 3, 2006, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

You read fiction and call it truth.

I bet you can't cite ONE example of that. You are all hat and no cattle.

olePigeon · Oct 3, 2006, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by marden

I bet you can't cite ONE example of that. You are all hat and no cattle.

Here're two:

Methuselah at 969 years old.
Adam and Eve romping around with dinosaurs.

I'd pretty much have to recite 75% of the Bible. There are some real, historical events mentioned in there, but they're about as acurate as a Greek play.