[marden]

Westboro Baptist Church
(WBC Chronicles -Since 1955)
3701 SW 12" Street Topeka, Kansas 66604 785-273-0325 WARNING PAGE
Reliqious Opinion and Bible Cornmentaw on Current Events
Tuesday, October 3,2006

NEWS RELEASE

WBC to picket funerals of Pennsylvania school
girls killed by a mad man in punishment for Gov.
Ed Rendell's blasphemous sins against WBC - in
religious protest and warning: "He suffered no
man to do them wrong; yea, he reproved kings for
their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and
do my prophets no harm." Psa. 105:14-15. &&For
we know him that hath said, Vengeance
belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the
Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge (avenge)
his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the
hands of the living God." Heb. 10:30-31.

Gov. Ed Rendell - speaking and acting in his official capacity to bind the
State of Pennsylvania - slandered and mocked and ridiculed and
condemned Westboro Baptist Church on national Fox TV. Rendell also
revealed a conspiracy to employ the State's police powers to destroy WBC
in order to silence WBC's Gospel message. Co-conspirators identified by
Rendell included state officials, citizens, lawyers, legislators and media.
Gov, Rendell killed them,

When God would punish Egypt for Pharaoh's
sins against His people, He killed all the first-
born: "And there was a great cry in Egypt; for
there was not a house where there was not one
dead." Ex. 12:30. When God would punish
Pennsylvania for Rendell's sins in boorishly
attacking Westboro Baptist Church on the
Julie Banderas Show - "The Big Story," -He
kills the Amish girls: "And there was a great
cry in Pennsylvania." Meanwhile, WBC is
continuing to pray for even worse punishment
upon Pennsylvania: "And they cried with a
loud voice, saying, How long, 0 Lord, holy and
true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth." Rev. 6:10.

The Westboro Baptist Church Home Page

Attention any group which has a fanatical fringe, watch how America deals with our radicals.

Condemnation, ostracism, repudiation, laws when and where possible and strict enforcement of the laws. These measures represent the will of the people. The wishes of MODERATE AMERICA will be exercised legally. We have these laws and perform these measures so we don't have to rise up to oppose these misguided people the way we wish moderate Muslims would to denounce their misguided radicals.

[ghporter]

Personal opinion: the "protesters" from WBC are going to their own Hell, and the idiot preacher who convinced them to celebrate people's deaths is going to a special one...

Somewhere, somehow, something went HORRIBLY wrong; the idea of a Baptist church being so whacked that they protest at ANYONE's funeral is so NON-CHRISTIAN as to boggle the mind. While Baptists as a group have a history of not being particularly willing to let Jesus in for services (in the metaphorical sense, of course-there's still a big prejudice among Baptists against "nontraditional" hairstyles and dress, particularly on men), this is an abomination.

[Sherman Homan]

I hope that there are lots of MainStreamMedia cameras covering the God Hates Fags crew. They need to be exposed to as much daylight as possible. Mold, cockroaches and slime react to sunlight the same way...

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

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Attention any group which has a fanatical fringe, watch how America deals with our radicals.

Condemnation, ostracism, repudiation, laws when and where possible and strict enforcement of the laws. These measures represent the will of the people. The wishes of MODERATE AMERICA will be exercised legally. We have these laws and perform these measures so we don't have to rise up to oppose these misguided people the way we wish moderate Muslims would to denounce their misguided radicals.

Those crazy asshats at Westboro Baptist have NO shame. NONE!


Although, after seeing the candle-light vigil held in the town where the shootings took place, a vigil comprised solely of the non-Amish towns-folk, I have no doubt the folks of Nickel Mines, PA will be able to come out in force to show their support for the families who lost children in the shooting.

Although, to make a point about moderate political behavior, it SHOULD be the citizens who "rise up to oppose these mis-guided people". It sounds like you are counting on the government to stand up to these people for you instead of expecting the people to do it for themselves.

[Taliesin]

I had actually to read your quoted text three times before I understood the religious logic of that baptist church. So according to them the Amish girls were killed by a madman, because God inspired that madman to do so, in order to avenge upon Pennsylvania, that their governor rediculed and offended that special baptist church on national TV?

And they pray that Pennsylvania gets punished even more, because the governor plans to dismantle that special baptist church?

Taliesin

[Dakar]

If you want unity in America, look no further than hating WBC.

[dcmacdaddy]

Anyone on here want to debate whether or not they think Westboro Baptist is a terrorist organization? I think they are.

There actions are a tactic--as many on here have been keen to point out is the purpose of terrorism--to scare and intimidate people into accepting their version of religious belief. Their intent is to save America from the wickedness of sin and convert it into a religion-based society. That sounds like terrorism to me. (Granted, they haven't killed anyone yet but I think with them it is only a matter of time before they have to commit murder to keep their agenda prominent.)

I for one would gladly have them identified as enemy combatants in the War on Terror--They want to turn the United States into a religion-based country, this time Christianity--and held indefinitely until the War on Terror is done. I don't particularly like this approach to the War on Terror, but if it is used on ALL enemies of the United States--Wanting to turn the US into a Christian theocracy sounds terroristic to me--then I would grudgingly support it.

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Those crazy asshats at Westboro Baptist have NO shame. NONE!


Although, after seeing the candle-light vigil held in the town where the shootings took place, a vigil comprised solely of the non-Amish towns-folk, I have no doubt the folks of Nickel Mines, PA will be able to come out in force to show their support for the families who lost children in the shooting.

Although, to make a point about moderate political behavior, it SHOULD be the citizens who "rise up to oppose these mis-guided people". It sounds like you are counting on the government to stand up to these people for you instead of expecting the people to do it for themselves.

I fully expect BOTH the LEO's and the people of America to show up to deal with things.

However I want everyone to realize that if you have laws and law enforcement to act on your behalf then you needn't take personal responsibility with dealing with your unpleasant radicals. No one expects a quiet little housewife to oppose a bomb wielding jihadist. If you have laws that prohibit such activities the LEO's will do it for you.

I am against mob rule. Why do the more liberal types love riots and street protests so much? I don't know. But anyway, I KNOW there will be people who will show up to oppose the Westboro folks. And what will happen is it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. That's what the Westboros want.

I think the police can handle it. But there will be a big mess now and the police's job will be made that much more difficult.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Taliesin

I had actually to read your quoted text three times before I understood the religious logic of that baptist church. So according to them the Amish girls were killed by a madman, because God inspired that madman to do so, in order to avenge upon Pennsylvania, that their governor rediculed and offended that special baptist church on national TV?

And they pray that Pennsylvania gets punished even more, because the governor plans to dismantle that special baptist church?

Taliesin

I'm sorry, but I don't want to waste my time trying to decipher their crap. Glad to make it available for those who appreciate the details. But as far as I'm concerned, they should go home and pray for guidance.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dakar

If you want unity in America, look no further than hating WBC.

If only there were something more positive to rally round.

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Anyone on here want to debate whether or not they think Westboro Baptist is a terrorist organization? I think they are.

There actions are a tactic--as many on here have been keen to point out is the purpose of terrorism--to scare and intimidate people into accepting their version of religious belief. Their intent is to save America from the wickedness of sin and convert it into a religion-based society. That sounds like terrorism to me. (Granted, they haven't killed anyone yet but I think with them it is only a matter of time before they have to commit murder to keep their agenda prominent.)

I for one would gladly have them identified as enemy combatants in the War on Terror--They want to turn the United States into a religion-based country, this time Christianity--and held indefinitely until the War on Terror is done. I don't particularly like this approach to the War on Terror, but if it is used on ALL enemies of the United States--Wanting to turn the US into a Christian theocracy sounds terroristic to me--then I would grudgingly support it.

This is where the WoT's law enforcement approach would be used. And so it will be. Their protest will not go beyond the law. End of story.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

I fully expect BOTH the LEO's and the people of America to show up to deal with things.

However I want everyone to realize that if you have laws and law enforcement to act on your behalf then you needn't take personal responsibility with dealing with your unpleasant radicals. No one expects a quiet little housewife to oppose a bomb wielding jihadist. If you have laws that prohibit such activities the LEO's will do it for you.

I am against mob rule. Why do the more liberal types love riots and street protests so much? I don't know. But anyway, I KNOW there will be people who will show up to oppose the Westboro folks. And what will happen is it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. That's what the Westboros want.

I think the police can handle it. But there will be a big mess now and the police's job will be made that much more difficult.

I don't think that the citizens of Nickel Mines, PA who came out Monday night for a candle-light vigil constitute mob rule. Nor do I think that if they came out and stood around the grounds of the Amish cemetery to prevent the Westboro Baptist folks from getting close that would be counted as mob rule. Just local citizens doing a decent thing for their fellow citizens. Just out of curiosity, why do you associate "mob rule" and "riots and street protests" with liberals? Is it "liberal" to want to take to the street and have your voice heard by your fellow citizens and the government?

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by marden

If only there were something more positive to rally round.

True enough.

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

I don't think that the citizens of Nickel Mines, PA who came out Monday night for a candle-light vigil constitute mob rule. Nor do I think that if they came out and stood around the grounds of the Amish cemetery to prevent the Westboro Baptist folks from getting close that would be counted as mob rule. Just local citizens doing a decent thing for their fellow citizens. Just out of curiosity, why do you associate "mob rule" and "riots and street protests" with liberals? Is it "liberal" to want to take to the street and have your voice heard by your fellow citizens and the government?

If you'll think back to any large protests and demonstrations you will have to agree it was not made up of conservatives. The Amish would probably not confront the Westboros. The people like you who are passionate about this matter will show up and there will be at least shouting and the police will have to keep your guys away from the westboro guys.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

This is where the WoT's law enforcement approach would be used. And so it will be. Their protest will not go beyond the law. End of story.

Why shouldn't the WOT's military approach be used on the Westboro Baptist folks? Their ultimate goal is to turn the US into a Christian theocracy; That sounds like a good enough reason to consider them a threat to the nation as a whole, thus requiring some military action to remove the threat before they can act on it. The only difference I see between the folks of Westboro Baptist and Al Qaeda is one of scale. They both have similar intent--turn the United States into a religious theocracy--the al Qaeda folks simply have more adherents than the Westboro Baptist folks, right now.

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Why shouldn't the WOT's military approach be used on the Westboro Baptist folks? Their ultimate goal is to turn the US into a Christian theocracy; That sounds like a good enough reason to consider them a threat to the nation as a whole, thus requiring some military action to remove the threat before they can act on it. The only difference I see between the folks of Westboro Baptist and Al Qaeda is one of scale. They both have similar intent--turn the United States into a religious theocracy--the al Qaeda folks simply have more adherents than the Westboro Baptist folks, right now.

Pardon my saying so, but I think you are unclear on the concept of the War on Terror.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by marden

Pardon my saying so, but I think you are unclear on the concept of the War on Terror.

I was going to say the same about you and abstract thought. You have got to be a bot.

[marden]

Originally Posted by pooka

I was going to say the same about you and abstract thought. You have got to be a bot.

Why would you think I am a bot?

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by marden

However I want everyone to realize that if you have laws and law enforcement to act on your behalf then you needn't take personal responsibility with dealing with your unpleasant radicals. No one expects a quiet little housewife to oppose a bomb wielding jihadist. If you have laws that prohibit such activities the LEO's will do it for you.

...and I think this is exactly what is wrong with America nowadays: people expecting the government to do everything, rather than getting involved and allowing society to solve society's problems rather than pleading the government to get into areas it has no business being in.

But anyway, I KNOW there will be people who will show up to oppose the Westboro folks. And what will happen is it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. That's what the Westboros want.

I don't think it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. It certainly doesn't have to mar said solemnity: it all depends on the technique. Frankly, I think that a group rising to protect a funeral from those who would defile it, like the WBC, is pretty darn solemn.

[Dakar]

This is somewhat juvenile, but I think it'd be amusing to stand across the street from the WBC people holding signs calling those nutsos (unkind word for homosexuals) too.

[RAILhead]

I, in no way WHATSOFREAKINGEVER, support ANYTHING the WBC idiots do, but I must say this about the whole "Baptist" thing: there ISN'T a Baptist thing. No one controls, oversees, dictates doctrine or teachings for the Baptist denomination. If you want your Baptist Church to belong to certain Baptist organization (BGC, BGCT, etc.), THEN you have to follow certain doctrinal guidelines. However, anyone can put a sign on their front door saying "1st Retarded Baptist Church Of My House" and no Baptist organization will stop it -- unlike Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.

Point being, one must be careful when lumping "Baptists" into one group by saying they're stern on drinking, clothing, and stuff like that. I go to a Baptist church, and we wear shorts, skimpy clothes (I don't wear skimpy clothes, don't get too excited), we have gays, lesbians, food and drink (coffee, coke, water, etc.) inside the auditorium and during church (gasp!), etc.

So again, tagging "baptists" in a certain way is like saying all gay men are pedophiles or whatever.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by marden

If only there were something more positive to rally round.

Oh, come on, the WBC is very positive. Positively insane, that is.

[g/re/p]

If those jackasses protested at the funeral of one of my
relations, i would have a super-soaker full of cat urine
ready to show them my appreciation for their blasphemy.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Millennium

...and I think this is exactly what is wrong with America nowadays: people expecting the government to do everything, rather than getting involved and allowing society to solve society's problems rather than pleading the government to get into areas it has no business being in.

I don't think it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. It certainly doesn't have to mar said solemnity: it all depends on the technique. Frankly, I think that a group rising to protect a funeral from those who would defile it, like the WBC, is pretty darn solemn.

I will stand aside, delighted to see patriotism at work in an up close personal, peaceful and orderly manner. But I've been part of these kinds of peaceful protests and you'll be lucky if they don't get out of hand.

All it takes is ONE instigator.

Not my opinion. It's a fact.

God bless your protest and individual involvement in the poilitical process.

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by Millennium

I don't think it will mar the solemnity of the funeral. It certainly doesn't have to mar said solemnity: it all depends on the technique. Frankly, I think that a group rising to protect a funeral from those who would defile it, like the WBC, is pretty darn solemn.

Aye, this is the Amish we're talking about here. If there's another group of people who better exemplify the whole "turn the other cheek" lifestyle, I've never seen them. And since it'll most likely be their neighbors --who I believe understand and respect them-- who'll be turning out to shield the funeral, it should be quite the solemn occasion, despite WBC's attempts to ruin it.

Honestly, I think WBC has made a rather huge miscalculation here, in that they don't at all understand the Amish culture and are maybe expecting some sort of reaction; after all, WBC feeds on reaction. All the reaction they're going be getting from the Amish is, well, nothing. These are the folks who can actually make "shunning" work as an effective punishment. They'll simply turn their backs on the WBC jackasses and that'll be it.

The WBC feeds on reaction, they have a pathological need for confrontation. This time, they're not going to get anything, and I don't think they realize that. I find myself wondering exactly how they're going to react when an entire community comes out and ignores them.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

I, in no way WHATSOFREAKINGEVER, support ANYTHING the WBC idiots do, but I must say this about the whole "Baptist" thing: there ISN'T a Baptist thing. No one controls, oversees, dictates doctrine or teachings for the Baptist denomination. If you want your Baptist Church to belong to certain Baptist organization (BGC, BGCT, etc.), THEN you have to follow certain doctrinal guidelines. However, anyone can put a sign on their front door saying "1st Retarded Baptist Church Of My House" and no Baptist organization will stop it -- unlike Catholic, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.

Point being, one must be careful when lumping "Baptists" into one group by saying they're stern on drinking, clothing, and stuff like that. I go to a Baptist church, and we wear shorts, skimpy clothes (I don't wear skimpy clothes, don't get too excited), we have gays, lesbians, food and drink (coffee, coke, water, etc.) inside the auditorium and during church (gasp!), etc.

So again, tagging "baptists" in a certain way is like saying all gay men are pedophiles or whatever.

It's a lot like tagging all muslims a certain way based on what a few of their niuttier elements do, I think....

On the topic of whether or not WBC should be considered a "terrorist organization" or "enemy combatants": to my knowledge, they have not physically harmed any innocent civilians to further their cause. As vile as these people are, that's what separates them from terrorists.

[Dark Helmet]

Religions are so wonderful. Some kill in the name of God, others discriminate.

But it is all worth it for having the option to pray to get something you want and for the hope that somehow your worthless life will be better when you die. That is when the party really starts!

[Sky Captain]

As vile as they are, they scare me.
IF something catostrophic should happen to this country, these idiots could easily take control.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

As vile as they are, they scare me.
IF something catostrophic should happen to this country, these idiots could easily take control.

Isn't that what the 2nd Amendment is for?

[Sky Captain]

Yes. For the places that will allow the citizenry to defend the country and restor order.
But WBC is not the folks I want taking up arms to rebuild the country.
In fact they may get labeled as "the bad guys" in my book.
I would have no problem defending against this orginization.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

As vile as they are, they scare me.
IF something catostrophic should happen to this country, these idiots could easily take control.

I don't see how. They're clearly morons. Pretty much nobody except themselves takes them seriously. And they're not numerous enough to take control by force.

Besides, if something that catastrophic were to happen, I expect they'd be the least of our problems.

[Dork.]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Yes. For the places that will allow the citizenry to defend the country and restor order.
But WBC is not the folks I want taking up arms to rebuild the country.
In fact they may get labeled as "the bad guys" in my book.
I would have no problem defending against this orginization.

I mean, if these nutjobs get in a position of power if "something catastrophic" happens, we'll all be thankful that the 2nd amendment exists, because someone will take the opportunity to water the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and idiots. Or something like that.

[marden]

Did we just agree that whatever and whoever attacks or causes a breakdown of society in America that the three targets we'll automatically go after are, in this order (depending on whom we ask):

1. The REAL enemy.

2. The Government.

3. Westboro Baptist Church members.


"Shoot on sight," I presume?

[RIRedinPA]

The Amish have their funerals in their homes. They can counter these cretins by inviting them in for the service. Phelps and his degenerate snakes would slink away from any sign of true Christianity.

[Sky Captain]

Only #3 if they attempt to force a Taliban-esque government upon me.
And #2 if #3 becomes #2.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Only #3 if they attempt to force a Taliban-esque government upon me.
And #2 if #3 becomes #2.

But now after that quick laugh I'm resuming my sadness.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

IF something catostrophic should happen to this country, these idiots could easily take control.

Um, i think that has already happened.

[mitchell_pgh]

I'm sure their "church" of 15 people (4 families) will show up...

...and 500 news trucks will show up as well.

Mission Accomplished!

[Rumor]

I would laugh to see protestors at the bitch's funeral from WBC.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Only #3 if they attempt to force a Taliban-esque government upon me.
And #2 if #3 becomes #2.

But WBC is already #2. And by #2, I don't mean "the government." I mean they are sh*t.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by ghporter

Somewhere, somehow, something went HORRIBLY wrong; the idea of a Baptist church being so whacked that they protest at ANYONE's funeral is so NON-CHRISTIAN as to boggle the mind. While Baptists as a group have a history of not being particularly willing to let Jesus in for services (in the metaphorical sense, of course-there's still a big prejudice among Baptists against "nontraditional" hairstyles and dress, particularly on men), this is an abomination.

100% agreement.

I attend a Baptist Church. I have no idea where these WBC people are coming from other than pure undiluted sin.

BTW: I attend Church services in shorts most of the time and my wife wears pants some of the time *GASP* And I drink alcohol * GASP GASP* And I make it *GASP GASP GASP* and my pastor knows and nominated me for a deacon position.

[marden]

Are any moderate Muslims catching all this?

This is what moderate Christians do when radicals do crazy things in the name of our religion.

I hope al Jazeera, CNN and Reuters gets this right up front and center in their coverage.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by ghporter

Personal opinion: the "protesters" from WBC are going to their own Hell, and the idiot preacher who convinced them to celebrate people's deaths is going to a special one...

Ooo, the special Hell:

"If you take sexual advantage of her, you're going to burn in a very special level of hell. A level they reserve for child molesters and people who talk at the theater." - Shepherd Book

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by marden

Are any moderate Muslims catching all this?

This is what moderate Christians do when radicals do crazy things in the name of our religion.

I hope al Jazeera, CNN and Reuters gets this right up front and center in their coverage.

Good point.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Railroader

Good point.

As much as I hate to say it… I agree.

However, the WBC is such a small harmless little group that is mostly amusing. Radical fundamentalist muslims are anything but.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by RAILhead

I go to a Baptist church, and we wear shorts, skimpy clothes (I don't wear skimpy clothes, don't get too excited), we have gays, lesbians, food and drink (coffee, coke, water, etc.) inside the auditorium and during church (gasp!), etc.

I understand supplying food and drink but why do you provide gays and lesbians?

[marden]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

As much as I hate to say it… I agree.

However, the WBC is such a small harmless little group that is mostly amusing. Radical fundamentalist muslims are anything but.

Whenever and wherever they can moderate Muslims must stand up en masse and, gaining power from their unity and taking advantage of safety from their numbers, oppose the jihadists in ways small and large until they can be free of their scourge and then the next time the crazies try to start up again they can be as easily dealt with as we regard dealing with WBC.

A small, offensive but mostly harmless group that can be kept in check by social forces and normal policing.

[- - e r i k - -]

I agree again (somebody must have slipped something in my drink this morning).

But then again, terrorism is about creating fear. And fear is a powerful weapon. Which is why terrorists are surprisingly good at keeping the majority silent.

[marden]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

I agree again (somebody must have slipped something in my drink this morning).

But then again, terrorism is about creating fear. And fear is a powerful weapon. Which is why terrorists are surprisingly good at keeping the majority silent.

...moderate Muslims must stand up en masse and, gaining power from their unity and taking advantage of safety from their numbers, oppose the jihadists in ways small and large...

[- - e r i k - -]

Circular arguing? My response was addressing exactly what you bolded there.