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Kerrigan · Oct 5, 2006, 11:54 PM

I've noticed lately that the "temperature" in the poli lounge isn't as high as it usually is.

For instance, Abe started a thread asking, basically, Why don't we stop arguing so much?

Someone else, Tetenal I think, said that trolls are running threads off the rails, but the implication here is that NNers are, for the most part, desirous of thoughtful conversation.

A few months ago, a thread on Iran would have blown up into a massive flamefest, but recent threads about Iranian military threats are unusually calm.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Bush is on the verge of becoming a lame duck, and as his presidential power begins to fade, a lot of the anxiousness will begin to subside. Yes, we still face a clash of civilizations and other major problems, but I think the polarization that has been so strong in recent years is evaporating.

Is this the light at the end of the tunnel? I hope so, because I think most people (Europeans and Americans at least) are tired of the constant, tedious, and predictable arguments.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 6, 2006, 12:07 AM

We're saving our energy until after the November elections?

Listen, I do my level best to keep the discussions passionate, opinionated, and on the bleeding edge of warfare. Perhaps I've been slacking somewhat. In all seriousness, I feel like it's my responsibility to maintain discourse around here. They created this forum to prevent my opinions from being posted in the real Lounge.

It's just that it would be a boring environment if we all agreed with each other. If that were the case this would become a back-patting forum that served no real purpose. While I know it seems a bit odd that a bunch of Apple-folks who have so much in common would feel the need to argue - but I think it's healthy.

I don't learn anything from people who agree with me. There needs to be a dissenting opinion - else we'll get lazy and assume we're just naturally right about everything, without question.

Nicko · Oct 6, 2006, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Bush is on the verge of becoming a lame duck, and as his presidential power begins to fade, a lot of the anxiousness will begin to subside. Yes, we still face a clash of civilizations and other major problems, but I think the polarization that has been so strong in recent years is evaporating.

Bush is a lame duck, but the world will continue to be a more dangerous place until he leaves.

N.Korea doing nucular test? Iran? -- Bush has alot of opportunity to f*uck up.

King Bob On The Cob · Oct 6, 2006, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Bush is a lame duck, but the world will continue to be a more dangerous place until he leaves.

N.Korea doing nucular test? Iran? -- Bush has alot of opportunity to f*uck up.

Because Bush is the reason Iran and N. Korea have/want nukes...

You give the man WAY too much credit in controlling the world.

Nicko · Oct 6, 2006, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by King Bob On The Cob

Because Bush is the reason Iran and N. Korea have/want nukes...

You give the man WAY too much credit in controlling the world.

Yes the Bush admin is to blame. By not negotiating with N.Korea, they have forced their hand, similar with Iran. The lost chances to avoid the nucular standoffs have alll been documented.

Meanwhile, Iraq and Afghanistan are deteriating[FONT=&quot][/FONT] 5 years on.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I've noticed lately that the "temperature" in the poli lounge isn't as high as it usually is.

For instance, Abe started a thread asking, basically, Why don't we stop arguing so much?

Someone else, Tetenal I think, said that trolls are running threads off the rails, but the implication here is that NNers are, for the most part, desirous of thoughtful conversation.

A few months ago, a thread on Iran would have blown up into a massive flamefest, but recent threads about Iranian military threats are unusually calm.

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Bush is on the verge of becoming a lame duck, and as his presidential power begins to fade, a lot of the anxiousness will begin to subside. Yes, we still face a clash of civilizations and other major problems, but I think the polarization that has been so strong in recent years is evaporating.

Is this the light at the end of the tunnel? I hope so, because I think most people (Europeans and Americans at least) are tired of the constant, tedious, and predictable arguments.

Uh, that was MY thread. Thankyouverymuch. Abe is as feisty as ever.

ebuddy · Oct 6, 2006, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Yes the Bush admin is to blame. By not negotiating with N.Korea,

Uh, there was a negotiation with N. Korea in the 90's remember? N. Korea broke it?

they have forced their hand, similar with Iran. The lost chances to avoid the nucular standoffs have alll been documented.

As long as there are nukes and human nature, there will be nuclear standoffs, period.

Meanwhile, Iraq and Afghanistan are deteriating[FONT=&quot][/FONT] 5 years on.

I'm not happy about certain aspects of our Administration's methodology and believe they need to take a look at these things yesterday.

*As an aside, I voiced my frustration with the Bush policy in Iraq earlier this week and got railed on by those who believe I'm taking a Kerry stance 4 years after the fact. In typical kneejerk fashion, they read nothing of the post and decided to respond anyway. I received sober, disciplined arguments from those who generally agree with the Bush policy in Iraq stating only their opinions on why the policy is necessary. I received ridicule and belittlement from those who've opposed Bush all along. Odd, but predictable. See, it's not enough that I might agree with the left from time to time, or feel the same way they do; I must also agree and feel the same way they do at the same time they do. There is no concession, there is no agreement on anything, and no common ground; only ridicule, chest-pounding, and partisan bickering.

Oh well, count me in.

Wiskedjak · 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Uh, that was MY thread. Thankyouverymuch. Abe is as feisty as ever.

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...searchuser=abe
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...aberdeenwriter
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...archuser=mojo2
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...rchuser=marden

Abe's PL threads drop off around June
Aberdeenwriter's PL threads pick up in June and drop off in July
Mojo2's PL threads pickup and drop off in August
Marden's PL threads pickup in September

ebuddy · Oct 6, 2006, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...searchuser=abe
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...aberdeenwriter
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...archuser=mojo2
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...rchuser=marden

Abe's PL threads drop off around June
Aberdeenwriter's PL threads pick up in June and drop off in July
Mojo2's PL threads pickup and drop off in August
Marden's PL threads pickup in September

If Aberdeenwriter is Abe is marden, but marden repeatedly does not claim to be these people, why continue to accuse him of it? In other words, if you know who he is and you know he knows who he is; what good does it do to continuously point this out to him? If he's not going to admit it, he's not going to admit it. I guess I don't understand what you hope to achieve by pressing the issue.

To be clear, I have my suspicions too (primarily because with Abe you'd commonly see his name Abe under both Thread Starter and Last Post. This seems to be a posting characteristic of marden as well and your timeline of posting habits is interesting also), but at some point you'll either have to ignore him if you're not interested in what he's saying or take what he's saying at face value for the sake of discourse with him ya know?

pooka · Oct 6, 2006, 09:37 AM

The reason why things have cooled off in here is because most of the thoughtful posters are no longer posting (with frequency). What we have today is machine gun article posting from right/left wing blogs with a reformatted opinion. Sprinkle in some retarded comments from certain posters and you have today's NN pol lounge.

BTW, abe was/is a moron and the forums would be better off if it never returned. This forum was nicer when it wasn't overrun with adults that possess the cognitive skills of a 7 year old. I long for the good ole days when smarter people than I had good debates in here while I popped in to make a joke about having sex with sheep. The world is upside-down if I'm in here trying to make a point.

Dakar · Oct 6, 2006, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by marden

Uh, that was MY thread. Thankyouverymuch. Abe is as feisty as ever.

In the sack.

Dark Helmet · Oct 6, 2006, 10:09 AM

I think people have just given up.

I can't feel sorry for people who allow their government to make wiretapping and torture legal and piss all over the constitution Americans hold so dear.

America is anything but the land of the free now, enjoy what's left of it.

BlueSky · Oct 6, 2006, 10:17 AM

Things have cooled down because even some of the most staunch Bush supporters are finally beginning to suspect that they've literally put a clown in the white house. The energy and spin it takes to defend Chuckles is enormously taxing on the psyche.

Dakar · Oct 6, 2006, 10:20 AM

Gotta go with Spliff. This is the calm before the post-election storm.

RAILhead · Oct 6, 2006, 10:24 AM

Actually, it' cooled down because people are sick of all the griping and fighting. It's totally pointless, especially on a web forum. No one cares about "exchanging ideas" or any of that crap — all people want to do is say what they think and feel, and if you don't like, piss off.

It's grown tiresome, and now all anyone does is regurgitate some article or post from somewhere else, tag it with "I think so, too", and that's it.

No one cares. The Dems hate Bush. The Repubs hate Libs. This Senator's a queer, this one's a queer, too. Your fault, my fault, pass buck here.

Tripe. Repeat. Tripe. Repeat.

Dark Helmet · Oct 6, 2006, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Things have cooled down because even some of the most staunch Bush supporters are finally beginning to suspect that they've literally put a clown in the white house. The energy and spin it takes to defend Chuckles is enormously taxing on the psyche.

Why did the rest of the world figure that out before the last election and Americans only figuring it out years later?

BlueSky · Oct 6, 2006, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Why did the rest of the world figure that out before the last election and Americans only figuring it out years later?

Fear. Bush's most valuable commodity.

ebuddy · Oct 6, 2006, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I think people have just given up.

I can't feel sorry for people who allow their government to make wiretapping and torture legal and piss all over the constitution Americans hold so dear.

Unfortunately, these are the folks interested in "free speech", tolerance, diversity, and the checks and balances of our system.

Those from the Progressive Labor Party of Chicago and Purdue University Calumet letting this 63 year old minuteman know how they feel about his freedom of speech.

America is anything but the land of the free now, enjoy what's left of it.

Yeah because when the left finally make their presence known, true oppression is headed your way.

Dark Helmet · Oct 6, 2006, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Fear. Bush's most valuable commodity.

Fear and stupidity is more like it. I mean the billions spent and all those civil rights given up because of one terrorist attack.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar

In the sack.

They say this cat Dakar is a bad mother...

Wash yo mouf!

I'm talkin' 'bout Dakar
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!

Dakar · Oct 6, 2006, 11:58 AM

Yeah, I hear you like Shaft.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...searchuser=abe
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...aberdeenwriter
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...archuser=mojo2
http://forums.macnn.com/search.php?d...rchuser=marden

Abe's PL threads drop off around June
Aberdeenwriter's PL threads pick up in June and drop off in July
Mojo2's PL threads pickup and drop off in August
Marden's PL threads pickup in September

http://whenWiskedjakbecameanalretentive.com
http://whenWiskedjakbecameAbeobsessed.com
http://whenWiskedjakisduetobecomemenopausal.com

Wiskedjak · Oct 6, 2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by marden

http://whenWiskedjakbecameanalretentive.com
http://whenWiskedjakbecameAbeobsessed.com
http://whenWiskedjakisduetobecomemenopausal.com

Your links are dead

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Yeah, I hear you like Shaft.

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
JOHN's SHAFT!

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Your links are dead

As is this line of discussion.

Off topic.

Dakar · Oct 6, 2006, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by marden

He's a complicated man
But no one understands him but his woman
JOHN's SHAFT!

Someone is extra perky this morning.

Have a little Xanax with you coffee?

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Someone is extra perky this morning.

Have a little Xanax with you coffee?

A little CALCIUM perhaps.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

Fear. Bush's most valuable commodity.

Just think of what it would be like if we leave Iraq and the government there is not able to deal with the terrorists.

The Middle East is different shades of radicalist. Europe is almost captive.

Lack of fear is foolish when you recognize the reality of the situation.

Millennium · Oct 6, 2006, 01:43 PM

To be honest, I think it happened because of the Foley incident.

I've got a hypothesis that a lot of the flames here come from frustration, caused by not understanding how a thinking, rational person could possibly take The Other Side's point of view unless they were brainwashed or eeeevil. How could a thinking person support the war in Iraq? How could a rational person consider pulling out of Iraq? How can a thinking person be religious? How can't he be religious? How can a good person possibly oppose (or support) gun control? How can an innocent person oppose (or support) surveillance efforts? And so on, and so forth. I know I've been guilty of this in my more incendiary moods, and I think it's probably true for a lot of people.

But everyone agrees that the Foley incident was bad, and everyone agrees on why, at least in the basics. There are plenty of details to argue over, but since we've all got common ground on the basic situation, there's little to no possibility for frustration. No frustration = no flames.

Doofy · Oct 6, 2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I've noticed lately that the "temperature" in the poli lounge isn't as high as it usually is.

I'm the life and the soul of the party, baby.

...And I'm away. Doing other things. Like house shopping, building guitars and buying lots of Macs.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

I'm the life and the soul of the party, baby.

...And I'm away. Doing other things. Like house shopping, building guitars and buying lots of Macs.

Abe extends his hearty greetings to you!

(Think of me as Abe's lifeline/channeler squeezer.}

Dork. · Oct 6, 2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Abe extends his hearty greetings to you!

(Think of me as Abe's lifeline/channeler squeezer.}

squeeze abe's lifeline all you want in private, but please don't brag about it afterwards on the Internet!

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dork.

squeeze abe's lifeline all you want in private, but please don't brag about it afterwards on the Internet!

Don't be such a besson3c!

BlueSky · Oct 6, 2006, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Just think of what it would be like if we leave Iraq and the government there is not able to deal with the terrorists.

The Middle East is different shades of radicalist. Europe is almost captive.

Lack of fear is foolish when you recognize the reality of the situation.

The only thing we have to fear is Bush itself.

I'll tell ya what. Even if fear is, by and large, the appropriate reaction to things as they are, one might tend to become a bit suspicious, if not downright cynical about the intentions of our Fearless Leader and the messages he's determined to communicate to his Fearful Sheep, if you really listen to what he's saying and how often he says it.

It's clear to me that Pea Brain WANTS me to be afraid and wants YOU to be afraid, and his entire presidency is based on that, not to mention that he wants you to know that he's working hard to save you.

"It's my job to protect the American people" (ad infinitum) and various implications that the terrorists are comin' to git ya are the order of the day. Not only is he a fear peddler, he invades a country that had nothing to do with terrorism and as a result creates rampant terrorism there and recruits thousands of new terrorists. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so ****ing tragic.

The best one can say about Bush is that he's a goddamn fool, the worst that he's a terrorist, and I do place him #2 behind bin laden for top honors and he's gaining fast.

And another item regarding fear: I went to the doctor many years ago, convinced I had a serious illness and in the course of the consultation I mentioned to the doctor that I was scared shitless. His reply was something to the effect that fear was useless, but rather being "intelligently concerned as an adult" would be a more appropriate frame of mind to take. Silly semantics, whatever you want to call it, but it left an impression.

I'm intelligently concerned about terrorism, but I'm scared shitless of what Bush will leave behind for this country to deal with. We've all been taken for a ride on the mission of a fool, and that will NOT be a comma in the history books.

Dakar · Oct 6, 2006, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Don't be such a besson3c!

Hey, I was making the sexual jokes!

Edit: And that was such an easy set-up its like you wanted it.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by BlueSky

The only thing we have to fear is Bush itself.

I'll tell ya what. Even if fear is, by and large, the appropriate reaction to things as they are, one might tend to become a bit suspicious, if not downright cynical about the intentions of our Fearless Leader and the messages he's determined to communicate to his Fearful Sheep, if you really listen to what he's saying and how often he says it.

It's clear to me that Pea Brain WANTS me to be afraid and wants YOU to be afraid, and his entire presidency is based on that, not to mention that he wants you to know that he's working hard to save you.

"It's my job to protect the American people" (ad infinitum) and various implications that the terrorists are comin' to git ya are the order of the day. Not only is he a fear peddler, he invades a country that had nothing to do with terrorism and as a result creates rampant terrorism there and recruits thousands of new terrorists. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so ****ing tragic.

The best one can say about Bush is that he's a goddamn fool, the worst that he's a terrorist, and I do place him #2 behind bin laden for top honors and he's gaining fast.

And another item regarding fear: I went to the doctor many years ago, convinced I had a serious illness and in the course of the consultation I mentioned to the doctor that I was scared shitless. His reply was something to the effect that fear was useless, but rather being "intelligently concerned as an adult" would be a more appropriate frame of mind to take. Silly semantics, whatever you want to call it, but it left an impression.

I'm intelligently concerned about terrorism, but I'm scared shitless of what Bush will leave behind for this country to deal with. We've all been taken for a ride on the mission of a fool, and that will NOT be a comma in the history books.

On the contrary, he has tried as best as possible to allow us to lead our lives as UNAFFECTED by this problem as possible. But there is a fine line between being at total war like WWII and being at peace. He needs us all to understand we ARE AT WAR otherwise people might resent ANYTHING done in the name of keeping the country safe and the "hun on the run."

You don't like the neither/nor position he keeps us at, I think.

Some of us want to be ALL AT PEACE so we can do away with the death, the expenditures the reminders of jihadist threat.

Some of us want to be ALL AT WAR so we can achieve unity and bring every tool and tactic to bear on the enemy and shut it down and how!

This is very unsatisfying because it does neither and yet it tries to accomplish both.

We didn't choose our enemy. They chose us. We tried the Clinton method. It didn't work. We see that the French, Brit and European methods aren't working. At least we are resisting jihadism and by keeping us aware of the war it helps us to continue to fight jihadism.

In a company that subscribes to many different outside services, if a crucial service is discontinued by the decision makers because they are unaware of it's importance the whole company might suffer.

When the Congress is looking to cut expenditures and they see so much going into the War and if the POTUS hasn't kept the importance of the war fresh in our minds the Congress might just decide that no one would miss these expenditures so why don't we cut them off?

He has done such a good job of shielding us from the unpleasant realities of the War on Terror that you tend toward believing there is no danger and you damn him, in essence, for doing such a good job!

If he was farking up you would need no reminders. The reminders would be in your town. The fear would be real to you then.

RAILhead · Oct 6, 2006, 03:51 PM

The only people that give a rat's about TEH FOLEY INCIDENT or the Dems and Libs.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar

Hey, I was making the sexual jokes!

Edit: And that was such an easy set-up its like you wanted it.

That's what they always say. "You wanted it."

besson3c · 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Just think of what it would be like if we leave Iraq and the government there is not able to deal with the terrorists.

The Middle East is different shades of radicalist. Europe is almost captive.

Lack of fear is foolish when you recognize the reality of the situation.

Why should we be afraid? Why? Because they *want* to do x and y and z.... okay, great.

Are freedoms really aren't that fragile. Seriously. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, and it has taken you along for the ride.

You talk about some of us being Islam's Best Soldiers, I say that Islam's Best Soldiers are people like yourself who wish to perpetuate fear, perhaps the most effective weapon of the terrorists.

Perhaps you are mentally connecting the Nazi ideology with Al Queda ideology. The difference is, ideas are ideas... They can, and may very well lead to another larger scale war, but they do not threaten us personally in our day to day lives.

Look around us, we (and other Democratic nations) have the resources to fight such a war if it came down to us vs. an identifible organized body with a face. As it stands, there is no need to be shaking in your boots. Really. Their tactics are to plan for more terrorist attacks.

A terrorist attack, like any other sort of attack could happen any place at any time, there is simply no sense in us personally worrying about them. The best thing that can be done is for us to put a reasonable amount of resources into combating the problem and keeping one step ahead of our enemy. This can be done without all of the fear and hype. We aren't the first country that has had to deal with criminals planning for bombing and hijacking stuff, and we won't be the last. Our country as a whole is not threatened, we simply have a problem that could lead to tragic disruptions to our way of life. An earthquake or a hurricane is also a tragic disruption. There are lots of tragic disruptions.

I hope this is comforting to you.

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Why should we be afraid? Why? Because they *want* to do x and y and z.... okay, great.

Are freedoms really aren't that fragile. Seriously. This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, and it has taken you along for the ride.

You talk about some of us being Islam's Best Soldiers, I say that Islam's Best Soldiers are people like yourself who wish to perpetuate fear, perhaps the most effective weapon of the terrorists.

Perhaps you are mentally connecting the Nazi ideology with Al Queda ideology. The difference is, ideas are ideas... They can, and may very well lead to another larger scale war, but they do not threaten us personally in our day to day lives.

Look around us, we (and other Democratic nations) have the resources to fight such a war if it came down to an identifible organized body with a face vs. another one. As it stands, there is no need to be shaking in your boots. Really. Their tactics are to plan for more terrorist attacks.

A terrorist attack, like any other sort of attack could happen any place at any time, there is simply no sense in us personally worrying about them. The best thing that can be done is for us to put a reasonable amount of resources into combating the problem and keeping one step ahead of our enemy. This can be done without all of the fear and hype. We aren't the first country that has had to deal with criminals planning for bombing and hijacking stuff, and we won't be the last. Our country as a whole is not threatened, we simply have a problem that could lead to tragic disruptions to our way of life. An earthquake or a hurricane is also a tragic disruption. There are lots of tragic disruptions.

I hope this is comforting to you.

Maybe you are right.

itai195 · Oct 6, 2006, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Yeah because when the left finally make their presence known, true oppression is headed your way.

And then you are astonished that people are surprised when you criticize conservative policy

I think it's calmed down in here because people are tired of batting around the same old arguments, especially when very few posters are interested in actual discussion and contemplation of the views of others.

besson3c · Oct 6, 2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by marden

Maybe you are right.

Ummm... what??

Okay, what did you do with Mojarbdeen?

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Ummm... what??

Okay, what did you do with Mojarbdeen?

He is in a secure location.

besson3c · Oct 6, 2006, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by marden

He is in a secure location.

So, I'm not trying to rub anything in your face or be a dick, but why didn't my response prompt your usual sort of response where you disregard everything I've said, come up with some weird analogies, and post some more right-wing articles?

I'm not trying to change your viewpoint, I've just wanted to have an honest and intelligent conversation with you for a long time where the mere sanity of my (or "our", where applicable) position is acknowledged, and now you are teasing me suggesting that this possibility might exist?

Before I tell you that I'm proud of you, could you care to confirm or deny that I'm interpreting things correctly?

marden · Oct 6, 2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

So, I'm not trying to rub anything in your face or be a dick, but why didn't my response prompt your usual sort of response where you disregard everything I've said, come up with some weird analogies, and post some more right-wing articles?

I'm not trying to change your viewpoint, I've just wanted to have an honest and intelligent conversation with you for a long time where the mere sanity of my (or "our", where applicable) position is acknowledged, and now you are teasing me suggesting that this possibility might exist?

Before I tell you that I'm proud of you, could you care to confirm or deny that I'm interpreting things correctly?

I'll pass along the message.

besson3c · Oct 6, 2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by marden

I'll pass along the message.

Yeah, I guess I was misinterpreting.

*sigh* oh well.

Kevin · Oct 7, 2006, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Nicko

Bush is a lame duck, but the world will continue to be a more dangerous place until he leaves.

Kevin · Oct 7, 2006, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

So, I'm not trying to rub anything in your face or be a dick,

Right because as we know, besson simply doesn't do this. Nor does he have a history of doing so.

BTW it's cooling off cause there is nothing that hasn't already been said and debunked for a few years now.

People aren't participating in the same tired old arguments.

Well some are, but those are usually made fun of.

For example you hardly hear the "Oil for Blood" argument anymore. Though some people are still desperately clinging to it.

And the whole "Bush Lied" thing. It has turned into Bush just being tricked and being a failure.

The arguments are rarely consistent either.

Going from hissing about how Bush is a dumbass, then in the same post honk about how he tricked all of Congress into agreeing with him at first.

Moderator · Oct 7, 2006, 05:21 PM

The reason why things have cooled off is because a lot of the anti-war, anti-Cheney (err i mean Bush) voices have stopped posting....and that is mostly because the debate has ended...the verdict is in for all but the semi-retarded.

Kevin · Oct 7, 2006, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Moderator

The reason why things have cooled off is because a lot of the anti-war, anti-Cheney (err i mean Bush) voices have stopped posting....and that is mostly because the debate has ended...the verdict is in for all but the semi-retarded.

More intolerant ad-hominems.

That seems like all the left has got in here.