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Buckaroo · Oct 9, 2006, 09:23 PM

We don't need no stinken fence. We need a minefield along the Mexican-US border. The heck with some cheap chickenwire fence. Build something that will truely put a stop to the illegal acts of illegal foreigners.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...900788_pf.html

kmkkid · Oct 9, 2006, 09:25 PM

Yes, let's kill people for trying to make a better life for themselves.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 9, 2006, 09:28 PM

I thought the US sucked. What sane person would want to come here?

Make up your mind. Either the US the land of opportunity or it sucks.

Pick one.

Face Ache · Oct 9, 2006, 09:36 PM

Mine-evading mexicans could be useful to the US military. Anyone could apply.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 9, 2006, 09:48 PM

We'll just draft the ones that get here in one piece.

Spliffdaddy · Oct 9, 2006, 09:54 PM

America - lots of poor people.

All of whom are fat.

America - all kinds of injustice, racism, and oppression

Yet millions of non-whites risk death to get here

America - we screw up everything on the planet

Yet we're the first country to be asked for our help

kmkkid · Oct 9, 2006, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

America - lots of poor people.

All of whom are fat.

America - all kinds of injustice, racism, and oppression

Yet millions of non-whites risk death to get here

America - we screw up everything on the planet

Yet we're the first country to be asked for our help

They're trying to get to Canada for sure

Spliffdaddy · Oct 9, 2006, 11:23 PM

Serious question:

Does Canada have a lot of illegal Mexican immigrants?

If not, why do you suppose that is? Labor laws or some other red tape?

kmkkid · Oct 9, 2006, 11:30 PM

I don't see many if any 'illegal mexicans'.

Most likely because they have to make it through two checkpoints. If they're illegal in the U.S. chances are they aren't going to make it into Canada very easily. We have a lot of legal mexican workers here for harvest though.

Dakar · Oct 10, 2006, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Serious question:

Does Canada have a lot of illegal Mexican immigrants?

If not, why do you suppose that is? Labor laws or some other red tape?

The cold.

Buckaroo · Oct 10, 2006, 12:13 AM

I'm getting tired of the illegals using our spinach and lettuce as their toilet paper.

hyteckit · Oct 10, 2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

I'm getting tired of the illegals using our spinach and lettuce as their toilet paper.

Hah... that's what you get for building too many fences. Trade feces for fences.

forkies · Oct 10, 2006, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Does Canada have a lot of illegal Mexican immigrants?

just a wild guess here, but perhaps the HUGE LAND MASS called the United States gets in their way. when you find a Canada - Mexico border, let us know so a fence can be built

Taliesin · Oct 10, 2006, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

America - lots of poor people.

All of whom are fat.

America - all kinds of injustice, racism, and oppression

Yet millions of non-whites risk death to get here

America - we screw up everything on the planet

Yet we're the first country to be asked for our help

It's all about the benjamins.

Taliesin

RIRedinPA · Oct 10, 2006, 06:37 AM

Yup, killing people trying to improve their lives will always learn 'em. Nothing like a limbless baby to send the proper message about America.

BlueSky · Oct 10, 2006, 08:27 AM

Don't count on the fence being built (in any meaningful manner) anyway.

Millennium · Oct 10, 2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Yes, let's kill people for trying to make a better life for themselves.

The minefield is a bad idea, but something needs to be done about this. There are legal ways to get into the US, and few if any people are saying that these need to be shut down. People who want to make a better life for themselves need to start off on the proverbial right foot by using these legal methods. This helps to ensure that when people do enter and start to build better lives for themselves, it does not come at the expense of the people already here; no one wants to see that happen.

kmkkid · Oct 10, 2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Millennium

The minefield is a bad idea, but something needs to be done about this. There are legal ways to get into the US, and few if any people are saying that these need to be shut down. People who want to make a better life for themselves need to start off on the proverbial right foot by using these legal methods. This helps to ensure that when people do enter and start to build better lives for themselves, it does not come at the expense of the people already here; no one wants to see that happen.

I agree. But killing the ones trying to get in illegally is just an idiotic idea.

Rumor · Oct 10, 2006, 11:22 AM

Use the illegal labor to build a waterway. Divert water from New Orleans into the new water way. Transport illegals back to Mexico after they are done working. Fill water way with alligators from Florida. Problem solved.

hyteckit · Oct 10, 2006, 02:29 PM

Build something like the Great Wall of China. Border patrols will patrol it and shoot anyone within 100 ft of the wall. What do you guys think?

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by hyteckit

Build something like the Great Wall of China. Border patrols will patrol it and shoot anyone within 100 ft of the wall. What do you guys think?

Sure but where will be get all that slave labor in this day and age?

Rumor · Oct 10, 2006, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

Sure but where will be get all that slave labor in this day and age?

Mexico

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

Mexico

Nice, maybe we can smuggle them over illegally so it'll cost less

BRussell · Oct 10, 2006, 02:44 PM

I have a serious question: Why do people try to come across the border illegally? Is it more costly to legally immigrate, or is it that they wouldn't be allowed to if they tried?

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 02:48 PM

Problem is the costs and wait times. There are quotas, and if your family is starving and homeless you don't have the luxury of waiting. It can take years.

hyteckit · Oct 10, 2006, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

Problem is the costs and wait times. There are quotas, and if your family is starving and homeless you don't have the luxury of waiting. It can take years.

That's true, it does take years. Some are desperate enough to risk their lives.

D. S. Troyer · 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Serious question:

Does Canada have a lot of illegal Mexican immigrants?

If not, why do you suppose that is? Labor laws or some other red tape?

Where I live there are many Mexicans. They work in agriculture and are paid fairly well. We have a special programs for the workers to come here.

We also have a program for Mexican university graduates to come to Canada.

And we also have Caribbean workers come under special work programs because Canada has special bond with many of the islands.

All has worked well and has been beneficial to everyone.

Pendergast · Oct 10, 2006, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by forkies

just a wild guess here, but perhaps the HUGE LAND MASS called the United States gets in their way. when you find a Canada - Mexico border, let us know so a fence can be built

Isn't that what the US is?, Canada-Mexico border?

Rumor · Oct 10, 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer

Al has worked well and has been beneficial to everyone.

Who is Al?

Millennium · Oct 10, 2006, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

Problem is the costs and wait times. There are quotas, and if your family is starving and homeless you don't have the luxury of waiting. It can take years.

Indeed, but then we get into larger issues. No nation's economy, not even that of the US, is infinite: it can only hope to support a finite amount of immigration in any given time period. Is it an important-enough right for people to improve their lives via migration that this improvement should come at the expense of the people already in the host nation?

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 05:28 PM

It requires a complex solution, one that I don't think can be purely comprised of enforcement measures. For starters, we need to come to terms with the fact that as long as the gulf of economic opportunity is so wide, there will be massive numbers of people wanting to come across the border. In light of that, we should make legal immigration less burdensome.

BLAZE_MkIV · Oct 10, 2006, 05:45 PM

Its a trivial solution, fine the heck out of any company who employes non-visa workers. Like 50% of estimated salary for as long as employment can be proven or 20 years if not. And thats assuming a 60 hour week * 52 for day laborers.

D. S. Troyer · Oct 10, 2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

Who is Al?

A guy from Mexico.

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV

Its a trivial solution, fine the heck out of any company who employes non-visa workers. Like 50% of estimated salary for as long as employment can be proven or 20 years if not. And thats assuming a 60 hour week * 52 for day laborers.

That does nothing to address the root issues, and frankly there doesn't appear to be much interest in enforcing these rules, which already exist.

BLAZE_MkIV · Oct 10, 2006, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by itai195

That does nothing to address the root issues, and frankly there doesn't appear to be much interest in enforcing these rules, which already exist.

Gotten a traffic ticket lately? The profit motive is fundamental princaple of capitalism.

itai195 · Oct 10, 2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV

Gotten a traffic ticket lately? The profit motive is fundamental princaple of capitalism.

I haven't actually, against all odds because it's been more than 7 years!