[Cody Dawg]

Click here to see what happens to your home or city or town and if you die or not.

This is why "the War on Terror" is unrelenting and why Republicans are on the offensive.

Oh, and let's not forget that Madeline Albright handed North Korea the nuclear keys on Clinton's watch and now those nukes may very well end up in this country - in a suitcase bomb - which may be used in your town or city.

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Click here to see what happens to your home or city or town and if you die or not.

This is why "the War on Terror" is unrelenting and why Republicans are on the offensive.

Oh, and let's not forget that Madeline Albright handed North Korea the nuclear keys on Clinton's watch and now those nukes may very well end up in this country - in a suitcase bomb - which may be used in your town or city.

The site doesn't talk about dirty bombs, but about real nukes detonating in US-towns, and how nukes effect towns, we already know since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Taliesin

[Nicko]

unrelenting? Bush did NOTHING to stop N.Korea from developing nukes. Similarly, they will do NOTHING to stop Iran as they are bogged down in the quagmire that is Iraq.

You can continue to live in Terror.

[Cody Dawg]

Yeah, right. The LIBS/Dumbocrats won't LET him "do" anything.

I don't live in terror, BTW.

YOU do...YOUR signature says "Don't Panic."

[Dakar]

The republicans control congress. How are the democrats stopping Bush?

[Wiskedjak]

Cody, do you even know what a "dirty bomb" is, or are you just trying to spread misinformation?

I think Wikipedia says it well:

Dirty bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because a terrorist dirty bomb is unlikely to cause many deaths as a result of the conventional explosives, many do not consider this to be a weapon of mass destruction. Its purpose would presumably be to create psychological, not physical, harm through ignorance, mass panic, and terror. Additionally, decontamination of the affected area might require considerable time and expense, rendering affected areas partly unusable and causing economic damage.

[Cody Dawg]

Dakar:

With their BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH - people like John Kerry...

With their Hollywood liberal hypocritical elite (the Barbra Streissands and Sean Penns and Susan Sarandons and Dixie Chicks for example) that stomp around in their multi-million dollar energy-guzzling homes, fly private gas guzzling jets, and drive around in limos...all the while whining about Bush and how Republicans don't care about the environment or the war...

WIth their non-stop non-support of our troops over in harm's way...

With their political ads that they launch saying how Bush doesn't care about the war and people dying - the Cindy Sheehans of the world...

You know who they are.

[Cody Dawg]

Actually, I just watched a television program on dirty bombs and the bomb that they discussed was a dirty "suitcase bomb" and they gave that website, wiskdejak, as an example as to what would happen were a smuggled "dirty bomb" were detonated in a city.

Did you even LOOK at the website? It specifically discusses a SMALL bomb, wiskejak. Next time check out the website before you spout off.

What does a definition of a dirty bomb have to do this thread? You make me...

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

With their BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH - people like John Kerry...

With their Hollywood liberal hypocritical elite (the Barbra Streissands and Sean Penns and Susan Sarandons and Dixie Chicks for example) that stomp around in their multi-million dollar energy-guzzling homes, fly private gas guzzling jets, and drive around in limos...all the while whining about Bush and how Republicans don't care about the environment or the war...

WIth their non-stop non-support of our troops over in harm's way...

With their political ads that they launch saying how Bush doesn't care about the war and people dying - the Cindy Sheehans of the world...

You know who they are.

Could you please complete the sentence? With their blah, blah, people like Kerry, and the Hollywood-crew do what?

Taliesin

[Powerbook]

Originally Posted by Cody Dork

Oh, and let's not forget that Madeline Albright handed North Korea the nuclear keys on Clinton's watch and now those nukes may very well end up in this country - in a suitcase bomb - which may be used in your town or city.

Let's especially not forget that these "nookier keys" consisted of building light-water reactors without weapon grade plutonium, a largely-agreed plan that was continued by the Bush administration until Nov. 2005.

But we all know, those details are for gays and frenchies!

PB.

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Actually, I just watched a television program on dirty bombs and the bomb that they discussed was a dirty "suitcase bomb" and they gave that website, wiskdejak, as an example as to what would happen were a smuggled "dirty bomb" were detonated in a city.

If you had taken the time to actually read the site you linked to, you would have realised that they are talking about a smuggled nuke, and not a dirty bomb! And if you had thought a bit more about it, you might have remembered that we already know how nukes effect towns, since 1946.

Taliesin

[Dakar]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Dakar:

With their BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH - people like John Kerry...

With their Hollywood liberal hypocritical elite (the Barbra Streissands and Sean Penns and Susan Sarandons and Dixie Chicks for example) that stomp around in their multi-million dollar energy-guzzling homes, fly private gas guzzling jets, and drive around in limos...all the while whining about Bush and how Republicans don't care about the environment or the war...

WIth their non-stop non-support of our troops over in harm's way...

With their political ads that they launch saying how Bush doesn't care about the war and people dying - the Cindy Sheehans of the world...

You know who they are.

I don't see how that stops republicans from physically voting for legislation Bush supports.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Powerbook

But we all know, those details are for gays and frenchies!

PB.

Don't forget the liberal-commie-fascist-apple users

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Actually, I just watched a television program on dirty bombs and the bomb that they discussed was a dirty "suitcase bomb" and they gave that website, wiskdejak, as an example as to what would happen were a smuggled "dirty bomb" were detonated in a city.

Did you even LOOK at the website? It specifically discusses a SMALL bomb, wiskejak. Next time check out the website before you spout off.

What does a definition of a dirty bomb have to do this thread? You make me...

Yes, I looked at the website, and it specifically discussed SMALL nuclear bombs, not "dirty bombs".

Do you always believe everything you hear on TV without verification? What does a definition of "dirty bomb" have to do with this thread? Well ....

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Here's What Happens To Your Home When a Dirty Bomb is Detonated? Blast Map

[Wiskedjak]

By the way, here's how your government defines "dirty bomb". Educate yourself before you participate in misinformation:

NRC: Fact Sheet on Dirty Bombs
A dirty bomb is in no way similar to a nuclear weapon. The presumed purpose of its use would be therefore not as a Weapon of Mass Destruction but rather as a Weapon of Mass Disruption.

Looks like it's already working on you

[ebuddy]

I didn't get past the Click here to visualize these consequences in the city of your choice link, but then I'm not much of a gamer.

[davesimondotcom]

Originally Posted by Nicko

unrelenting? Bush did NOTHING to stop N.Korea from developing nukes. Similarly, they will do NOTHING to stop Iran as they are bogged down in the quagmire that is Iraq.

You can continue to live in Terror.

Well, Bush did try that "negotiation" stuff that you all are so fond of. What would you rather have him do? Attack?

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Nicko

unrelenting? Bush did NOTHING to stop N.Korea from developing nukes. Similarly, they will do NOTHING to stop Iran as they are bogged down in the quagmire that is Iraq.

You can continue to live in Terror.

Wait, did NOTHING?

He practiced diplomacy, bringing together China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, North Korea and the US to work towards a solution that didn't result in a nuclear North Korea.

You try and get representatives from those countries in one room on a repeated schedule adhering to an agenda, and tell me Bush did NOTHING.

The fact that no real progress came out of the diplomacy simply reflects on North Korea's resistance to any other option than becoming a nuclear weapons bearing world power.

This is what happens when you don't have a genuine partner in the talks. That's why diplomacy failed for the world with North Korea, and fails for Israel, and failed for Britian, France and Germany when speaking to Iran.

But saying that he did NOTHING seems inaccurate to me. The question is, if diplomacy fails what other action is there that you would have preferred he take?

[Dakar]

My questions is, if diplomacy fails with any nuclear power-to-be, what options do we have left? War or Sanctions?

[Cody Dawg]

Naval blockades.

Then a bomb "gone awry" that came from NK.



China will take them out.

[Dakar]

I don't see where laughing is appropriate, but ok.

[Wiskedjak]

Cody thinks it would be funny to instigate a war, probably nuclear, between NK and China. Although, this still has nothing to do with dirty bombs, other than to provide examples of what dirty bombs are not.

[itai195]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Yeah, right. The LIBS/Dumbocrats won't LET him "do" anything.

I don't live in terror, BTW.

YOU do...YOUR signature says "Don't Panic."

You're right, the party that has no control over any branch of the federal government has completely stopped Bush from doing anything

[smacintush]

More election year garbage.

The left says Bush didn't do anything to stop NK from getting nukes and when you ask them what to do they say to do what Clinton did…the very thing that failed.

Diplomacy DOESN'T MEAN **** with a leader like Kim Jong Il. He's a nut who has NO intention of honoring anything and history has PROVEN that. He immediately broke the Clinton agreement and cheated the whole time. Diplomacy is USELESS until there is another, more reasonable dictator in his place.

The UN should have done more, but they are USELESS as well.

Japan and South Korea should have done more, but they are, much like Europe, afraid and waiting for US to take care of them.

China is the ONE and ONLY country who has real, solid influence over NK and they need to be pressured to handle NK. Unless we are prepared to attack NK China is the only way. Not Jimmy Carter, not Madeleine Not-at-albright…China. And China really didn't want to do ****.

Perhaps, what you don't see is that Bush has learned from the mistakes of Clinton: that negotiations with North Korea are as worthless as a liberal in a gunfight…or John Kerry on a football field…or Barney Frank in a whorehouse…or Molly Ivans just about anywhere…

[Wiskedjak]

But, what does any of this have to do with the blast radius of a dirty bomb?

[Chuckit]

Isn't it terrifying how these Republicans are so weak that Sean Penn's opinions are capable of preventing them from doing things?

[memento]

I do have to say, regardless of the politics discussed here, the website linked refers specifically to the "Effects of a 10 Kiloton Nuclear Explosion". That's definitely not a dirty bomb. That's a real nuclear fusion bomb.

[sek929]

Also, I'd like to add that the title in no ways needs a question mark.

[G Barnett]

Err, fission bomb, memento. Fusion (aka: hydrogen) bombs are typically measured in the megaton range.

[Dark Helmet]

What happens if there is contaminated spinach and Illegal Immigrants in the blast radius? Does that amplify it?

[sek929]

I think the dirty bomb she is refering to is one made with all the discarded spinach from the scare. It cas easily blanket the entire united states with E. Coli.

Teh Horrar!

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by sek929

I think the dirty bomb she is refering to is one made with all the discarded spinach from the scare. It cas easily blanket the entire united states with E. Coli.

Teh Horrar!

I think it also contains a dash of killer bees and sprinkle of Atheists.

[besson3c]

Somebody should clean those bombs... A little Simple Green will help take some of those markings off of those bombs so that they are nice and shiny!

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Wait, did NOTHING?

He practiced diplomacy, bringing together China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, North Korea and the US to work towards a solution that didn't result in a nuclear North Korea.

You try and get representatives from those countries in one room on a repeated schedule adhering to an agenda, and tell me Bush did NOTHING.

The fact that no real progress came out of the diplomacy simply reflects on North Korea's resistance to any other option than becoming a nuclear weapons bearing world power.

This is what happens when you don't have a genuine partner in the talks. That's why diplomacy failed for the world with North Korea, and fails for Israel, and failed for Britian, France and Germany when speaking to Iran.

But saying that he did NOTHING seems inaccurate to me. The question is, if diplomacy fails what other action is there that you would have preferred he take?

You have alot of excuses for so much failure.


I could point out the irony of the Bush admin’s focus on Iraq – a country which the US insisted had WMDs but infact had none (they never existed) and are now in a quagmire there…contrast with N.Korea which not only HAS WMDs but has enough material to make one nuke a year. That is IRONY!

Ultimately the joke is on the US for spending 1/3rd of a trillion $$$ on pointless wars.

[vmarks]

So then, do you advocate for war, just not the wars the Bush admin has chosen to fight?

You would have left Iraq alone and bombed North Korea?

[Spliffdaddy]

I'm not concerned about a dirty bomb.

The level of Radon gas around here is already more radioactive than any bomb.

Besides, I've got one of those HEPA+electrostatic filter thingies in my central air system.

[Pendergast]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Click here to see what happens to your home or city or town and if you die or not.

This is why "the War on Terror" is unrelenting and why Republicans are on the offensive.

Oh, and let's not forget that Madeline Albright handed North Korea the nuclear keys on Clinton's watch and now those nukes may very well end up in this country - in a suitcase bomb - which may be used in your town or city.

May I refer you to Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombed sites for a more realistic picture?

[D. S. Troyer]

I'm gonna be a pubby for a few minute (yeck!).

IT'S ALL CLINTON'S FAULT.

Isn't everything.

OK, back to normal.

This thread is a pile of horse pucky.

[zerroeffect]

Election time. Such fun.

Suddenly there is a surplus of oil after major shortages and jacked prices for consumers, then there is "bringing together China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, North Korea and the US to work towards a solution" for NK when everyone said the U.S. was crazy to attack Iraq... oh, wait, I mean "liberate" them. So, break relations, then rebuild them for another cause? All while soldiers are dying in a pointless Vietnam War 2. Nice.

Admitting to mistakes is good for character... people who are blindly following this administration should give it a try sometime.

And while I'm ranting, complaining about celebrities with millions of dollars and giant houses is hypocritical considering the amount of money and land political families tend to have. Bush and Cheney are NOT poor by far and they are arguably the ultimate celebrities.

[vmarks]

Not at all.

It wasn't just the Clinton admin failure, or the Bush admin failure, it was the failure of both admins to think that diplomacy was going to work when they lacked an honest partner for talking in North Korea.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by zerroeffect

Election time. Such fun.

Suddenly there is a surplus of oil after major shortages and jacked prices for consumers, then there is "bringing together China, Japan, Russia, South Korea, North Korea and the US to work towards a solution" for NK when everyone said the U.S. was crazy to attack Iraq... oh, wait, I mean "liberate" them. So, break relations, then rebuild them for another cause? All while soldiers are dying in a pointless Vietnam War 2. Nice.

Admitting to mistakes is good for character... people who are blindly following this administration should give it a try sometime.

And while I'm ranting, complaining about celebrities with millions of dollars and giant houses is hypocritical considering the amount of money and land political families tend to have. Bush and Cheney are NOT poor by far and they are arguably the ultimate celebrities.

Um, reality check: The six party talks were not invented for this election season.

They began in Bush's first term and continued into his second. Relations, while sometimes strained between these countries, were never broken.

[itai195]

Note for the future: calling others evil in the state of the union address... not a good way to make friends

[vmarks]

Or, not being prepared to back it up with action immediately following, not the smartest way to proceed.

Sure, so he said the truth, but wasn't prepared to take action based on that truth? Then why not have held that truth back.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Nicko

unrelenting? Bush did NOTHING to stop N.Korea from developing nukes. Similarly, they will do NOTHING to stop Iran as they are bogged down in the quagmire that is Iraq.

You can continue to live in Terror.

By the time Bush was in office it was too late for NK. Something should have been done in the 90s.

As far as Iran, would you support actions against them?

[itai195]

Originally Posted by Kevin

By the time Bush was in office it was too late for NK. Something should have been done in the 90s.

Personally I think Eisenhower never should have agreed to that armistice. If only he'd done more in the 50s...

[vmarks]

You can make that case with some success: a 50 year state of war guarding a border isn't really on.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Or, not being prepared to back it up with action immediately following, not the smartest way to proceed.

Sure, so he said the truth, but wasn't prepared to take action based on that truth? Then why not have held that truth back.

I'd say that is exactly the case. Kinda tipped America's hand with the "Axis of evil" statement.

Still, though, this doesn't have much to do with dirty bombs. Probably more appropriate in the NK thread.

[smacintush]

IT'S NOT CLINTON'S FAULT! Bill Clinton did do SOMETHING with NK, yes it was an utter failure but he did do SOMETHING and unless you all have intelligence that Bubba can see into the future and still let this happen there is no reason to sit here and point fingers.

What gets me is this retarded idea that Bush is a failure for not doing what Clinton did. We should have and DID learn from Clinton's failure. NK cannot be trusted in any good-faith deals.

You guys would STILL have called Bush an imperialist for attacking NK, and you would blame him IF we hadn't went into Iraq and Saddam got nukes from A.Q. Khan. The fact is that at this point you would blame him for anything that happened.

Not to mention, IF we had taken serious action in NK WITHOUT China's blessing what do you think would happen? We don't need to piss off China too much. They need to be handled, but delicately. NOW, China seems to be getting on the bandwagon and NOW is the time for action. It is far from too late.

This is a very long way of saying: If you wanna go beat up Bush and preach about all his failures that's fine, but THIS isn't HIS fault. It happened, that's it. Everyone has failed in NK and all that matters now is what do we do NEXT. Sending in Jimmy Carter ain't gonna cut it.

[itai195]

Originally Posted by smacintush

You guys would STILL have called Bush an imperialist for attacking NK, and you would blame him IF we hadn't went into Iraq and Saddam got nukes from A.Q. Khan. The fact is that at this point you would blame him for anything that happened.

My problem with Bush's approach is that he called NK out but didn't appear to have any intention of backing up his words, as vmarks mentioned. Clearly that gives NK an incentive to pursue nuclear weapons, which they did. I don't think attacking NK was ever in the cards, it would be a Bad Idea™ for a number of reasons and this situation always had to be handled delicately.

Now I don't really care about going around saying THIS IS BUSH'S FAULT. I don't think he handled the situation well, but saying it's any individual's fault is just stupid.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by itai195

My problem with Bush's approach is that he called NK out but didn't appear to have any intention of backing up his words, as vmarks mentioned. Clearly that gives NK an incentive to pursue nuclear weapons, which they did. I don't think attacking NK was ever in the cards, it would be a Bad Idea™ for a number of reasons and this situation always had to be handled delicately.

Kim was pounding his chest long before Bush came around and implying that his speech changed what Kim was doing is a bit of a stretch. He was hard at work getting nukes in 2000.

Now I don't really care about going around saying THIS IS BUSH'S FAULT.

There is an awful lot of that going around though.