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Oct 11, 2006, 02:11 PM
 
Looks like good ol' Harry Reid is still turning tricks in Vegas...
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/10/11/D8KMJ8I00.html

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.
In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews.

The Nevada Democrat's deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a major political bribery trial this summer and in other prior organized crime investigations. He's never been charged with wrongdoing _ except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press during a review of Reid's business dealings show:

_The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.

_In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

_After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown's company sold the land in 2004 to other developers and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling the senator's investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.

The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown's company without public knowledge, but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later.

Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 02:50 PM
 
I'm sincerely happy for you spacefreak. Things have been pretty bad with Republican corruption, so you needed this for your self-esteem.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 02:51 PM
 
Corrosion of conformity?
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Oct 11, 2006, 02:52 PM
 
We can't stand by while Republicans withhold this critical information from the American people so that they can maximize its electoral impact.

Evidence? Who needs it!
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 02:57 PM
 
Democrats suck. Republicans suck. We get it.
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Oct 11, 2006, 03:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by itai195
We can't stand by while Republicans withhold this critical information from the American people so that they can maximize its electoral impact.

Evidence? Who needs it!
Right. Actually it was just a prank that Reid was playing. Or maybe it was a cabal of gay Republican staffers that got Reid this deal. And, most important of all, it was Republicans doing the same thing 30 years ago!
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 03:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by Millennium
Democrats suck. Republicans suck. We get it.
My voter apathy goes to 11.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 03:56 PM
 
Originally Posted by Millennium
Democrats suck. Republicans suck. We get it.
Considering recent developments, "Republicans suck" might be taken out of context by certain, more perverted, members of the board.

Um. Me.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 04:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by davesimondotcom
Considering recent developments, "Republicans suck" might be taken out of context by certain, more perverted, members of the board.

Um. Me.
Pervert!

Won't SOMEBODY think of the children!

     
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Oct 11, 2006, 05:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by spacefreak
Looks like good ol' Harry Reid is still turning tricks in Vegas...
Sounds just like Hastert's freeway deal! Maybe Reid should be made an honorary Republican.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 05:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by davesimondotcom
Considering recent developments, "Republicans suck" might be taken out of context by certain, more perverted, members of the board.
You're right, I await Cody Dawg's swift and relentless condemnation of those obscene remarks.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 06:53 PM
 
Soooooooooo...*silence*

...was it legal?

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Oct 11, 2006, 06:54 PM
 
Is anything illegal in Nevada?
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 07:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by spacefreak
In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews.
Ooh, that DOES look bad.
In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.
Now wait a second, so he did disclose that he owned the land. He said that he personally owned the land, which was true, albeit through a company that he owned.
     
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Oct 11, 2006, 07:14 PM
 
Hey atleast he didn't molest any kids right?
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:28 PM
 
Now remember, even if he didn't do it it's the seriousness of the accusation that matters…
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:30 PM
 
Right. Well I support a full investigation, to me at least it does look pretty shady. But this is what we said all over the Foley thread too -- politicians of all stripes are scum.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:31 PM
 
It funny, when a Republican gets caught then it's "Republicans are corrupt", when a Democrat gets caught it's "Politicians are corrupt".
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:36 PM
 
I don't know, if you've followed my posting, at least, over the last 5 years you've probably seen me express similar sentiments about politicians many times.

What's funny is when Foley got caught, Republicans tried every trick to blame Democrats for the scandal.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by itai195
I don't know, if you've followed my posting, at least, over the last 5 years you've probably seen me express similar sentiments about politicians many times.

What's funny is when Foley got caught, Republicans tried every trick to blame Democrats for the scandal.
No, they tried to point out that the Dems deliberately sat on the Foley story on order to use it for the elections. Which BTW, was true. The Foley issue is a prime example of election year politics: BOTH sides knew, both sides tried to use it for there own gain an each side blamed the other. What's funny is that NK kicked that right off the front burner and it won't matter.

P.S. I wasn't really trying to point to you personally with my post.
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush
No, they tried to point out that the Dems deliberately sat on the Foley story on order to use it for the elections. Which BTW, was true.
No, it absolutely was not. No Democrat sat on this in order to time it.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush
Which BTW, was true.
I haven't seen any evidence of that.

P.S. I wasn't really trying to point to you personally with my post.
No prob.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 01:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush
It funny, when a Republican gets caught then it's "Republicans are corrupt", when a Democrat gets caught it's "Politicians are corrupt".
I think that depends who you listen to.

Originally Posted by smacintush
No, they tried to point out that the Dems deliberately sat on the Foley story on order to use it for the elections.
Maybe. I have a sneaking suspicion both sides knew, and obviously were serving their best interests. They're both to blame for acting in a partisan matter.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 04:55 PM
 
Originally Posted by Millennium
Democrats suck. Republicans suck. We get it.
This is the best post I've seen in the P/W L forum.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 04:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by itai195
What's funny is when Foley got caught, Republicans tried every trick to blame Democrats for the scandal.
Too true. Republicans tend to be blinded by party loyalty in many cases. They're simply not willing to point out the dishonest actions of members of their party. That, in a sense, is a form of corruption. GOP leadership turning a blind eye to Foley's actions is one good example.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 04:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dakar
Maybe. I have a sneaking suspicion both sides knew, and obviously were serving their best interests. They're both to blame for acting in a partisan matter.
I think you may be right. Again, hang both parties from the same tree.
     
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Oct 12, 2006, 06:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by Millennium
Democrats suck. Republicans suck. We get it.
But apparently neither group inhales... Gotta wonder about that.
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Oct 12, 2006, 11:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter
But apparently neither group inhales... Gotta wonder about that.
They don't swallow either.
     
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Oct 13, 2006, 12:18 AM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush
No, they tried to point out that the Dems deliberately sat on the Foley story on order to use it for the elections. Which BTW, was true. The Foley issue is a prime example of election year politics: BOTH sides knew, both sides tried to use it for there own gain an each side blamed the other. What's funny is that NK kicked that right off the front burner and it won't matter.
Ahhhhh. So while the Conservatives were trying to cover it up, the Liberals had to go and release the whole thing to the media. Those damn Liberals. Always ruin the Conservative coverups. Jees. Why couldn't the Liberals have waited until after the elections to blow the whistle?
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Oct 13, 2006, 01:07 AM
 
Originally Posted by goMac
Ahhhhh. So while the Conservatives were trying to cover it up, the Liberals had to go and release the whole thing to the media. Those damn Liberals. Always ruin the Conservative coverups. Jees. Why couldn't the Liberals have waited until after the elections to blow the whistle?
No, the question is why did they wait so long to blow the whistle when they've known about JUST as long as the evil republicans.

Look, all I'm saying is that speakers have always covered for members of EITHER party. It's not right and we have every right to be outraged but the problem is that there is all of this talk of REPUBLICAN corruption. That's just election year political nonsense. This is type if thing has no party.

But hey, go on believing those Democrat talking points and as they say "drinking the kool aid". I mean, why would they LIE, what could they POSSIBLY have to gain by lying???
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Oct 13, 2006, 01:16 AM
 
Which party was it that looks out for the children?

I'm drawing a blank here...
     
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Oct 13, 2006, 05:10 PM
 
I'll bet my clogs it's not this one.

Can we please turn this into a Netherlands-bashing thread?

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