[DLQ2006]

An OpinionJournal op-ed from Ronald R. Griffin has the last word on John F. Kerry’s insult to the military:

I missed the joke. You must forgive me, for there just is not a lot of room in my life for even good jokes—and there is absolutely no room for “botched jokes”—when the subject of the joke is my son who was killed in Iraq. I know exactly what came out of Sen. John Kerry’s mouth, and in those words there is no interpretation required. His attempt to convince us—and, I believe, to convince himself that that there was really a botched joke buried deep within his insult is in fact a reaffirmation of his ever-present condescending nature. He actually believes that we are stupid enough to agree with him and start laughing simply because he said it was a joke. Mr. Kerry said exactly what he meant and meant exactly what he said. In those words Mr. Kerry did in fact wash completely away the facade of his support of our magnificent troops and revealed for all to see his true colors.
All one had to do is look into the face of Mr. Kerry as the last word came out of his mouth, and it was painfully obvious that he knew that he had just disparaged the entire military. As the firestorm grew, the calls for an apology filled me with unease. It is not up to him to determine if an apology is in order. That decision most certainly rests with the millions of individuals he offended, and then they would decide if they were going to accept one or not.
As Sen. Kerry began his soon-to-be-reversed “I apologize to no one” rebuttal to a call for an apology, I was driving by the memorial built in honor of Kyle, my son, and the other fallen heroes from my town. As I listened, I tried unsuccessfully to make sense of the meteor shower of thoughts that were streaking through my mind. Then came one remembrance that brought all those other thoughts to an instantaneous halt. Last year I had written an editorial and I received a number of written replies. Among those was one postmarked from San Diego addressed simply to “the father of a hero” and my town of Emerson, N.J.
It started off friendly enough then quickly became argumentative and before the first paragraph was completed this individual had written, “I am glad that your son got killed for he probably was an idiot just like you”. My first reaction, and really the only reaction I have ever had, was sadness for an individual who is so consumed with anger that he felt it necessary to lash out at me for my beliefs.
That is exactly how I feel about John Kerry. His anger was in full bloom as he tried desperately to control the damage that his words had caused. He knew full well that he could not defend his remarks, so he attacked President Bush. In doing so he reinforced his now fully revealed condescending attitude towards our troops. He talked over them, as he always does, never even beginning to understand that there might be individuals who were truly and deeply offended by his remarks. The explanation for that is quite simple: He firmly and deeply believes that anyone who would be so stupid as to join the military is beneath the high moral perch on which he thinks he sits.
Even in his so-called apology the next day, Mr. Kerry could not bring himself to admit that he had made a mistake. It was not his fault that I might be offended; it is my fault because I “misinterpreted” what he said.

[hyteckit]

I realize you are trying to milk Kerry's botch joke as much as possible, but there's already an existing live thread about it already.

[Nicko]

Please redirect your outrage here: http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...eader-had-pay/

[BRussell]

Another P.C. whiner.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

I realize you are trying to milk Kerry's botch joke as much as possible, but there's already an existing live thread about it already.

Questions related to Op ed piece and the insults this father of a fallen hero has had to endure.

1) How does anybody in their right mind not understand that regardless of how they feel about Iraq, that even if we had no troops deployed at all anywhere in the world, if we didn't have at-least a military to protect our homeland, that we would be over-run and under the rule of some other country or force? We already would have been a long time ago.

2) How does one not see that it is an evil world out there and that even if we had no troops anywhere but within our own borders, that the noble thing about being in our miitary is to defend our way of life so that it can't be over-run and destroyed?

3) Regardless of how wrapped up one has become in Iraq and all the questions like whether or not there was WMD, Whether or not is was a good idea to topple the Sadam regime, whether or not Iraq will become a democracy, et cetera..........how can one be so consumed with hate that they tell a father they are glad their son is dead? Knowing that the most noble thing one can do is to defend our overall way of life from those that would run over us if they could, if we didn't have the kind of military we have. People get so wrapped up in specific conflicts that they lose sight of the big picture, as evidenced by those that (regardless of how they feel about Iraq) can be so full of hatred. I certainly have anger, but it's directed at those that hate and want to destroy and demoralize our military, our country, and our way of life. The liberals don't seem to understand the difference.

[subego]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

how can one be so consumed with hate that they tell a father they are glad their son is dead?

You ask this when the people we "fight" duct tape 20 sticks of dynamite to their chest.

American radicals are less extreme, that's all.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Nicko 

Please redirect your outrage here: http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...eader-had-pay/

The topic of this thread is the Op ed piece but you and those like you don't want to address it or discuss it because you despise anybody who dares to speak out against John Kerry, even after he has disparaged the entire military that the man's son belonged to and died fighting in. How dare the military not play their role as a bunch of dolts too stupid to know when they've been insulted and how dare the parents that have weeped over their dead children's bodies be offended and speak out against the liberal's beloved John Kerry, (ie, the lying traitor with the face of a hound dog.)

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by subego 

You ask this when the people we "fight" duct tape 20 sticks of dynamite to their chest.

American radicals are less extreme, that's all.

Less extreme in their actions, not less extreme in their hatred for America and for our military and anyone who supports either.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

.....how can one be so consumed with hate that they tell a father they are glad their son is dead? .

How can one be so consumed by tunnel vision that they imagine that one or two cretins like that represent any significant group of people? There's always going to be idiots like that, and to lend dignity to their position by getting bent out of shape...maybe your energy is misdirected.

You may imagine that the god-hating liberal peacenik hippies all feel that way, but you're fighting phantoms of your own projection, when possibly your anger could be directed into something real.

All one had to do is look into the face of Mr. Kerry as the last word came out of his mouth, and it was painfully obvious that he knew that he had just disparaged the entire military. As the firestorm grew, the calls for an apology filled me with unease. It is not up to him to determine if an apology is in order. That decision most certainly rests with the millions of individuals he offended, and then they would decide if they were going to accept one or not.

No matter how much you wish it to be so, no matter how much you insist that it's so, Kerry was not referring to the troops. He was referring to Bush. I don't know if in your case you're feigning outrage, but I do strongly suspect that you would have it no other way, that you get a sense of satisfaction that it be that way, so hell...have it that way.

And may I add, let's say for the moment he DID mean the troops...SO ****ING WHAT? Nobody's dropping dead in Iraq because Kerry said one thing or didn't say one thing. If there's troops in Iraq/Afghanistan who are affected by what they THINK Kerry said, life goes on and I assure you no one will be crumpling to the ground and weeping into a tattered American flag and screaming "WHY? WHY? WHY???"

Get over it already. Not only is your venting on this matter overkill, it's based on lies.

[vmarks]

Thank you for acknowledging that some of these people are cretins. Would you be willing to say that Kerry is a cretin? If not, why not?

[subego]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Thank you for acknowledging that some of these people are cretins. Would you be willing to say that Kerry is a cretin? If not, why not?

Is cretin defined as someone who would tell someone else they were happy their son had been killed?

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Thank you for acknowledging that some of these people are cretins.

You're welcome. It's my duty and honor as spokesman for the god-hating, flag-smoking, Lucy in the Sky with Diamondizing, slam dancing with Lenin's corpse-izing and cut 'n run-izing hippies of Amerika to do so now and then.

Would you be willing to say that Kerry is a cretin? If not, why not?

I'm going to choose my battles, and this smells like another dance down Bullshit Lane (no offense), not in the mood. Make a statement about Kerry and/or cretins or whatever and maybe we can discuss it.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by BlueSky 

How can one be so consumed by tunnel vision that they imagine that one or two cretins like that represent any significant group of people? There's always going to be idiots like that, and to lend dignity to their position by getting bent out of shape...maybe your energy is misdirected.

You may imagine that the god-hating liberal peacenik hippies all feel that way, but you're fighting phantoms of your own projection, when possibly your anger could be directed into something real.

Why did the audience laugh at Kerry's "joke" EXACTLY AS HE TOLD IT? The fact that they did tells volumes about his supporters and this kind of thing is not the first time. This story would have blown over by now if not for the last 35 years of Kerry making disparaging, vile remarks and accusations about the U.S. Military and there wouldn't be this kind of outrage that you and others decry.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by BlueSky 

You're welcome. It's my duty and honor as spokesman for the god-hating, flag-smoking, Lucy in the Sky with Diamondizing, slam dancing with Lenin's corpse-izing and cut 'n run-izing hippies of Amerika to do so now and then.

And today's loons are the offsprings of those described above from the Communist counter-culture revolutionaries that fried their brains out on acid and God only knows what else. God help us!

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

Why did the audience laugh at Kerry's "joke" EXACTLY AS HE TOLD IT? The fact that they did tells volumes about his supporters and this kind of thing is not the first time. This story would have blown over by now if not for the last 35 years of Kerry making disparaging, vile remarks and accusations about the U.S. Military and there wouldn't be this kind of outcry that you and others decry.

I don't know, maybe human nature? Maybe since he had just made a joke about Bush and was continuing his monologue and the crowd was expecting another joke and they just were in the flow of things and...?

Maybe some of them who had interpreted the joke as against the troops and laughed suddenly caught themselves and wondered why they were laughing. Haven't you ever done that in a crowd situation? I had a boss who laughed at nearly everything I said because he was so used to my cracking wise all the time and he was always expecting another wisecrack. It got annoying after a while, but that's another story. Kerry made a joke, made another one and people are in the flow and...

Whether or not any of that makes sense to you is secondary to the point I want to make. If you think liberals/Dems/godless hippies are as a group opposed to the troops or hate them or think they're bad people, then I think you have tunnel vision. No one I know lacks the maturity to recognize that the troops are our brothers/sisters/mothers/fathers/etc. and no one I know or have heard of confuses the troops with the administration and its policies. In fact, the #1 reason I despise Bush is because he's put them in harm's way needlessly. Politics is one thing, but human lives are not to be thrown into a needless war of choice.

If Kerry had said something disparaging about the troops, my opinion of him would have gone through the floor. Similarly, there would have been a Dem backlash against him and a disavowing of what he said. But there wasn't, and that's because he was referring to Bush, not the troops, and most people seem to understand that. Others insist otherwise and they're having a field day with it.

[BRussell]

Funny, because the line last week was that no one there laughed and isn't Kerry such a boob.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by BlueSky 

If Kerry had said something disparaging about the troops, my opinion of him would have gone through the floor. Similarly, there would have been a Dem backlash against him and a disavowing of what he said. But there wasn't, and that's because he was referring to Bush, not the troops, and most people seem to understand that. Others insist otherwise and they're having a field day with it.

Oh please! Anybody who was in that crowd and believed he was talking about Bush is even more brain dead than I ever imagined. He never once mentioned the name Bush in that "joke". He said the word "you" about 7 times.

The only thing the liberals have learned is that they can't openly demonize the military and get away with it the way their anti-war predecessors could so they do their best to conceal their true feelings. Every once in a while there is a crack in the facade and they have to do their best to do damage control which only makes them further demonstrate their disdain for all those they consider beneath them.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

Funny, because the line last week was that no one there laughed and isn't Kerry such a boob.

And the line from the lefties last week was that plenty of them DID laugh, just proving that he was really joking. Make up your damn mind but whichever way you want to spin it, Hound face is still a Jackass.

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

Oh please! Anybody who was in that crowd and believed he was talking about Bush is even more brain dead than I ever imagined. He never once mentioned the name Bush in that "joke". He said the word "you" about 7 times.

I believe he referred to Bush, or at least an unmistakable reference to Bush in the first joke.

The only thing the liberals have learned is that they can't openly demonize the military and get away with it the way their anti-war predecessors could so they do their best to conceal their true feelings. Every once in a while there is a crack in the facade and they have to do their best to do damage control which only makes them further demonstrate their disdain for all those they consider beneath them.

Whew, OK. We all live in our own worlds, I guess it's easier to see that in others than in ourselves but nonetheless, you are definitely living in your own world. It's dangerous to presume what people are thinking or what their motives are to the degree that you do it. But I hope someday we can sit down and smoke a huge bowl of pot have a nice cup of hot chocolate together anyway and discuss things like reasonable "mortal enemies".

[hey!_Zeus]

Kerry botched a joke.

Bush is a joke.

[DLQ2006]

[QUOTE=BlueSky;3192907]

I believe he referred to Bush, or at least an unmistakable reference to Bush in the first joke.

So, because he made reference to Bush in one joke earlier, we are supposed to assume that his whole speech was about him? Gosh, shouldn't Kerry be touting what the Democrats stand for and what direction they would take our country instead of talking so only about Bush and telling Bush is a moron jokes? Oh, that's right. They only want to reserve the right to belly-ache, point fingers, be nay sayers, and flip flop on every issue, counting on their supporters to be too brain-washed and too brain dead to see that they have no plan of their own.

Whew, OK. We all live in our own worlds, I guess it's easier to see that in others than in ourselves but nonetheless, you are definitely living in your own world. It's dangerous to presume what people are thinking or what their motives are to the degree that you do it. But I hope someday we can sit down and smoke a huge bowl of pot have a nice cup of hot chocolate together anyway and discuss things like reasonable "mortal enemies". :cool

LOL............I can see why you have to say such things, being in the kind of pickle you and your fellow Kerry supporters are in. Gosh, do the libs come to the defense of the Bobbleheads that lapped up what he said (and look like the same kind of assclowns that support him), or do they defend their hero that they wished was President right now (and look like assclowns that support him)?

And I love Hot chocolate. I wish more of the lefty loons out there had spent more of their years drinking hot chocolate than frying what brain cells they started out with by smoking Pot and tripping on acid while contemplating the meaning of string. Maybe then, those of Kerry's ilk that sprung out of his generation would already be an insignificant, silly side-note in the history of America, instead of the one they are still destined to become after a few more painful years of the rest of us having to watch them completely lose their mind from not seeing their communist utopia come to fruition in their lifetime.

[marden]

Originally Posted by hey!_Zeus 

Kerry botched a joke.

Bush is a joke.

Kerry has been contemptuous of the American fighting man since before he left the Navy.

His "JOKE" is that he will ALWAYS be the former Senator from Massachusettes who lost the 2004 election and hurt Democrats in 2006.

George W. Bush will ALWAYS be the TWO TERM President of the United States of America.

Go ahead. Yukk it up.

[sek929]

DLQ has serious issues to what he/she perceives as being the norm in America.

You sound very angry, maybe a yoga class is in order?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by sek929 

DLQ has serious issues to what he/she perceives as being the norm in America.

You sound very angry, maybe a yoga class is in order?

nice. real nice. an inappropriate personal attack.

[hyteckit]

Vmarks, you have to be kidding. It was a joke about Rev. Haggard and him seeking gay escort. I get a infraction for the joke? Why don't you edit DLQ post above.

I wish more of the lefty loons out there had spent more of their years drinking hot chocolate than frying what brain cells they started out with by smoking Pot and tripping on acid while contemplating the meaning of string. Maybe then, those of Kerry's ilk that sprung out of his generation would already be an insignificant, silly side-note in the history of America, instead of the one they are still destined to become after a few more painful years of the rest of us having to watch them completely lose their mind from not seeing their communist utopia come to fruition in their lifetime.

He just called all liberals, lefty loons who smoke pot and trip on acid. Losing our mind, and wanting some sort of communist utopia.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by marden 

Kerry has been contemptuous of the American fighting man since before he left the Navy.

His "JOKE" is that he will ALWAYS be the former Senator from Massachusettes who lost the 2004 election and hurt Democrats in 2006.

Exactly. I don't buy his excuse. And either does anyone but people who make excuses for his actions.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by sek929 

DLQ has serious issues to what he/she perceives as being the norm in America.

You sound very angry, maybe a yoga class is in order?

I only have anger for those that hate and want to destroy my country. The left hates and is more angry at Bush than they are the terrorists and that should make any American angry that cares about their kids' future.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Vmarks, you have to be kidding. It was a joke about Rev. Haggard and him seeking gay escort. I get a infraction for the joke? Why don't you edit DLQ post above.



He just called all liberals, lefty loons who smoke pot and trip on acid. Losing our mind, and wanting some sort of communist utopia.

I said "I wish more of the lefty loons out there would have". I did not say all of them are in this category. I'm sure that those who were part of the communist counter-culture revolutionaries that fried their brain cells on pot and acid only make up a part of the Democratic Base. brush up on your reading skills sparky, you'll catch up in no time.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by marden 

Kerry has been contemptuous of the American fighting man since before he left the Navy.

His "JOKE" is that he will ALWAYS be the former Senator from Massachusettes who lost the 2004 election and hurt Democrats in 2006.

And as one heck of a French looking Donkey.