[DLQ2006]

Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah: When We Were Young, I cannot Forget the Sight of American Forces leaving Vietnam, and the Americans Abandoning their Vietnamese Allies, I Anticipate the Same for our Region

Following are excerpts from an interview with Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on October 31, 2006.

Hassan Nasrallah: We consider the resistance in Iraq, or in any occupied country - and there is no doubt that Iraq is an occupied country – to be legitimate resistance, which is justified and appropriate. This is the appropriate course, which may lead to the liberation of Iraq, and we support and endorse this resistance. But we definitely distinguish between military operations that target the occupation forces and the operations, which we term "criminal," that target innocent Iraqi people, and that shed blood under illegitimate slogans.

[...]

When I talk about an [American] failure, I'm not saying that the Americans' plan for the region has collapsed, and that they are packing up their things and leaving, like what happened in the final days in Vietnam. But I would like to tell you clearly... I am one of those people who see a very clear picture. In our childhood... When we were young boys... I cannot forget the sight of the American forces leaving Vietnam in helicopters, which carried their officers and soldiers. Some Vietnamese, who had fought alongside the Americans, tried to climb into these helicopters, but the [Americans] threw them to the ground, abandoned them, and left. This is the sight I anticipate in our region, but I am not saying it will happen in months. It will take years. The Americans will gather their belongings and leave this region - the entire region. They have no future whatsoever in our region. They will leave the Middle East, and the Arab and Islamic worlds, like they left Vietnam. I advise all those who place their trust in the Americans to learn the lesson of Vietnam, and to learn the lesson of the South Lebanese Army with the Israelis, and to know that when the Americans lose this war – and lose it they will, Allah willing - they will abandon them to their fate, just like they did to all those who placed their trust in them throughout history.

[...]

When I spoke at the rally on Friday, and said we have 20,000 missiles, they began saying: "There is chaos on the borders, and they can bring missiles in." This is not true. When I said that the resistance had more than 13,000 missiles, it, in fact, had more than 33,000 missiles. Now, when I talk about 20,000... For six years, we were preparing... or rather, anticipating a war some day - a vicious, large-scale, and dangerous war, knowing that the Israeli enemy would not keep silent after its defeat in 2000, and that the Israeli enemy would never accept an honorable, loyal, and serious Arab Lebanese resistance force as its neighbor in Lebanon. It was planning a war some day, and we were prepared for it. Now, we still possess what we had in the past. We were ready to fight for a long period of time, and we took into consideration the possibility of a siege by land, sea, and air.

MEMRI: The Middle East Media Research Institute

[DLQ2006]

And the America bashers will no doubt eat up the lie from this bearded knuckle-dragger that "Vietnamese were trying to get on helicopters and the Americans threw them off". The U.S. military spent so much time handling helicopters loaded with Vietnamese nationals that they flew without down time for the crews or helicopters to the point of not doing the helicopter maintenance normally required. They were loading up as many Vietnamese as they possibly could. If we leave Iraq, it better be either because the place is a successful Democracy with a bunch of little Republicans and Democrats running around instead of a bunch of knuckle-draggers, or because we're leaving to come back with a nuke.

[Nicko]

But if the US nuked Iraq all that oil would become radioactive.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

And the America bashers will no doubt eat up the lie from this bearded knuckle-dragger that "Vietnamese were trying to get on helicopters and the Americans threw them off". The U.S. military spent so much time handling helicopters loaded with Vietnamese nationals that they flew without down time for the crews or helicopters to the point of not doing the helicopter maintenance normally required. They were loading up as many Vietnamese as they possibly could. If we leave Iraq, it better be either because the place is a successful Democracy with a bunch of little Republicans and Democrats running around instead of a bunch of knuckle-draggers, or because we're leaving to come back with a nuke.

If we leave Iraq, it better be either because the place is a successful Democracy with a bunch of little Republicans and Democrats running around...

WW?!?

You really are incredibly naive. Do you really think Iraqis, or citizens of any nation outside the US, want to embrace our political system in its entirety? including our political parties? In case you didn't know, Democracy is NOT just a practice limited to the United States and our political parties. Democracy is a general idea/practice involving self-rule of a nation by citizens of that nation. Which means, citizens of any nation embracing democracy MUST create a democratic system appropriate for their citizens and their beliefs on self-rule.

And, just because it can never be said often enough, Democracy is NOT something that can be given to a people or imposed from the barrel of a gun; It is something that must be home-grown and developed by and for the needs of those seeking to embrace the practice.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Nicko 

But if the US nuked Iraq all that oil would become radioactive.

Wow the oil jokes, and that is exactly what they are, never get old do they?

Actually they weren't funny back in 91 when the Dems started using them.

17 years later still aren't.

[Krusty]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Wow the oil jokes, and that is exactly what they are, never get old do they?

Actually they weren't funny back in 91 when the Dems started using them.

17 years later still aren't.

I was around in '91 and don't remember any real jokes about Iraq's oil back then ... see, we drove Iraq out of Kuwait and then left shortly after. Today, the fact of the matter is that Iraq has been required by the CPA to privatize its oil resources (way back when ... shortly after the invasion). The final form of this requirement is supposed to be finalized by the Iraqi gov't no later than December 2006. End result will be that 4 US and British Oil companies (Chevron, Texaco-Exxon, BP, and Shell) will end up controlling somewhere in the neighborhood of 87% of Iraq's oil in the not-too-distant future. Iraq's oil resources definitely aren't the whole explanation about why we invaded Iraq .... but it's completely naive to think that it wasn't a major "bonus" consideration. Bush himself recently let that fact slip in an interview with Rush Limbaugh ... raising the specter of Iraq's oil wealth being taken over by terrorists if we were to withdraw.

Keep your faith-based beliefs about our intent in Iraq .. it's soooooo cute.

[Mark Larr]

I haven't received my mason jar of stolen oil yet.

What gives? Why aren't we stealing the oil like the left claims we are?


Dammit, I want my oil!

[BlueSky]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

I haven't received my mason jar of stolen oil yet.

What gives? Why aren't we stealing the oil like the left claims we are?


Dammit, I want my oil!

I'd suggest re-reading Krusty's post, carefully this time. Here's a little bonus:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-CF-IraqOil.mov

[Mark Larr]

The fact is, I haven't gotten my stolen oil I'm entitled to yet.

[G Barnett]

And that's all the Right is left with these days -- reductio ad absurdum.

Of course, the rest of us have known their positions are utterly absurd for years now....

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Nicko 

But if the US nuked Iraq all that oil would become radioactive.

We could drill for it through glass. Or better yet, become energy independant from the Middle east. We could start drilling in that huge oil find that Exxon just found (largest find in a generation) that is completely within our territory.

We could start drilling in Utah, Colorado, and Alaska. We could start using more nuclear energy. We could start using the extremely low sulfar producing coal in Utah that is the cleanest known to man.

We could start working with the major motor vehicle manufacturers to develop cars that will not use oil.

We could start building refineries that haven't been build in decades because the environmentalist have made it impossible.

We could stop letting in millions upon millions of immigrants into our country a year, all of which become huge consumers of energy.

The poor in our country do not live the way the poor do in countries where they survive on a handfull of rice a way. Even the poorest new immigrants into our country are still huge consumers of energy. I don't see how we are going to ever become energy independant when our population continues to explode and our overall standard of living is what it is.

How many of those things I listed, have the Democrats tried work toward? They don't have a plan to get us off of Middle-eastern oil. They have fought against just about every single thing is a realistic way of doing just that.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy 

WW?!?

Do you really think Iraqis, or citizens of any nation outside the US, want to embrace our political system in its entirety? including our political parties? In case you didn't know, Democracy is NOT just a practice limited to the United States and our political parties. Democracy is a general idea/practice involving self-rule of a nation by citizens of that nation. Which means, citizens of any nation embracing democracy MUST create a democratic system appropriate for their citizens and their beliefs on self-rule.

And, just because it can never be said often enough, Democracy is NOT something that can be given to a people or imposed from the barrel of a gun; It is something that must be home-grown and developed by and for the needs of those seeking to embrace the practice.

I agree. They don't have to have a democracy in the exact form that we have one. But they can either stop living like knuckle-draggers and join the civilized world that respects women and equal rights and basic human rights or the men and women that have died in that effort have all died in vain and that can never be acceptable again. Us leaving with our tail between our legs like the Democratic congress made us do in Vietnam will have consequences for many decades. Just look at the statements of the bearded Knuckle-dragger talking about never forgetting seeing the Americans pull out of Vietnam and how we don't have the fortitude to fight long wars.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Krusty 

I was around in '91 and don't remember any real jokes about Iraq's oil back then ... see, we drove Iraq out of Kuwait and then left shortly after. Today, the fact of the matter is that Iraq has been required by the CPA to privatize its oil resources (way back when ... shortly after the invasion). The final form of this requirement is supposed to be finalized by the Iraqi gov't no later than December 2006. End result will be that 4 US and British Oil companies (Chevron, Texaco-Exxon, BP, and Shell) will end up controlling somewhere in the neighborhood of 87% of Iraq's oil in the not-too-distant future. Iraq's oil resources definitely aren't the whole explanation about why we invaded Iraq .... but it's completely naive to think that it wasn't a major "bonus" consideration. Bush himself recently let that fact slip in an interview with Rush Limbaugh ... raising the specter of Iraq's oil wealth being taken over by terrorists if we were to withdraw.

Keep your faith-based beliefs about our intent in Iraq .. it's soooooo cute.

I was around in 91 also and was in college and the jokes and mantra about the first gulf war was exactly what it is today. Then came the mantra that Bush Sr didn't really want to rid the world of Sadam or he would have invaded Iraq. Never mind that the Democratic congress and the UN would have never allowed that (they stated so at the time) and invading Iraq would have led to a long war with far more deaths because the invasion and occupation of a country is far different than running one countrie's army out of another country.

The best thing that could happen to Iraq is for Iraq to start using it's oil money to lift its people out of poverty. Are you suggesting that we and the rest of the countries that buy oil from them won't be paying for it? We've never gotten a drop of oil from other countries that we haven't paid for and without companies like Chevron and Bp, how will the knuckle draggers figure out how to drill the oil, refine it, and get it to market? Our companies had to go over to the oil producing Arab countries and tell them they were sitting on the world's most valuable resource, how to get it out of the ground, and how to deliver it. They invested a huge amount of money and it's a win/win situation for any country involved except that those led by dictators like Sadam, use the money to build themselves palaces and live like kings while their people starve.

If not for private companies that have the technology, money, and know how, to get to the oil and deliver it to market, who will do this? Martians?

The unfortunate thing for Iraq is that about the time they will have a society established where it's not just the few in power that profit from the oil money, we will hopefully be much more energy independent and not need to buy much of their oil. What will they do then? Eat sand?

[Shaddim]

No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

Boom goes London!...boom Paree!
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono babe
There'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

W
How many of those things I listed, have the Democrats tried work toward? They don't have a plan to get us off of Middle-eastern oil. They have fought against just about every single thing is a realistic way of doing just that.

The demoncrats have no solution, only the hate Bush rhetoric that they have spewed for the past 6 years.

It's all a smokescreen to blame their failures on Bush.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

The demoncrats.

HAHAHAHA

Klever

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

The demoncrats have no solution, only the hate Bush rhetoric that they have spewed for the past 6 years.

It's all a smokescreen to blame their failures on Bush.

Even the signs they hold up at their rallys are all about how Bush Sucks. No alternative plans. Just "Bush sucks"........."Bush is hitler"..........."Bush is a liar".

I voted early this morning and things went as smooth as pie with the computer voting. Everyone there was all clean cut, no mall freaks around. Mostly a bunch of mild mannered housewife looking women and good looking men that were thankful the lines weren't too long yet because they were on their way to work. But Then I do live in a state that still has relatively few mall freaks and they tend to all hang out at the mall, not voting booths, so I think the Republicans are still in good shape in my state.

[Mark Larr]

So far the bumper sticker poll has Bush as a liar and people dying.

[sek929]

Wow, another Republican circle-jerk thread, how fresh.

[Mark Larr]

As fresh as Khan Kerry bashing the troops and the demoncrats giving him a free ride.

[Dakar²]

I'm glad you feel good about stooping to his level then.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

As fresh as Khan Kerry bashing the troops and the demoncrats giving him a free ride.

Wow, your writing is amazing.

Ever think of working for a sitcom?

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

I'm glad you feel good about stooping to his level then.

I love how those that can't turn every thread into a hate fest against Bush and Republicans, get all frustrated and start claiming moral superiority. Oh, how they can dish it out but just hate the taste of their own medicine.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

I love how those that can't turn every thread into a hate fest against Bush and Republicans, get all frustrated and start claiming moral superiority. Oh, how they can dish it out but just hate the taste of their own medicine.

Please, show me all the threads I turned into hate threads.

I hate all the hate threads.

[sek929]

Dakar is by far one of the most polite people in here, quit grasping at straws, since you started a Democrat hate-thread.

Christ, the hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife in here.

[olePigeon]

The irony of Republicans blaming Democrats for not having a plan for removing dependency on foreign oil. That's like building a castle in a swamp... then blaming the villagers for it being too wet.

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

I voted early this morning and things went as smooth as pie with the computer voting. Everyone there was all clean cut, no mall freaks around. Mostly a bunch of mild mannered housewife looking women and good looking men that were thankful the lines weren't too long yet because they were on their way to work. But Then I do live in a state that still has relatively few mall freaks and they tend to all hang out at the mall, not voting booths, so I think the Republicans are still in good shape in my state.

Tom: Hey everybody, it's the College Republican Club!
Tom/Mike/Crow: We are so white! We are so white! Yay us!

[Mark Larr]

The demoncrats have a plan for nothing, except for stifling progress maybe.

They're good at that.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

The demoncrats have a plan for nothing, except for stifling progress maybe.

They're good at that.

So what's the Republicans' plan? I mean, obviously, besides increasing our foreign energy dependencies.

I think Al Gore came out with a movie once.

[Mark Larr]

We can cut our oil usage in half if we immediately stop the entitlist handouts to the freeloaders.

No money to buy SUV's and gas with, no need for gas. They can take mass transit if they need to go anywhere, like look for a job for a change.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

We can cut our oil usage in half if we immediately stop the entitlist handouts to the freeloaders.

No money to buy SUV's and gas with, no need for gas.

People who get the child tax break?

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

We can cut our oil usage in half if we immediately stop the entitlist handouts to the freeloaders.

Who exactly are these 'freeloaders?'

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

No money to buy SUV's and gas with, no need for gas. They can take mass transit if they need to go anywhere, like lopk for a job for a change.

Wow, that's a great idea. I don't think anyone's ever thought about using mass transit before. So who are you going to vote for that'll impose a new tax or increase taxes to help pay for your wonderful mass transit system?

Shoot, nevermind. I forgot that "only Democrats" like taxes.

[art_director]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

We can cut our oil usage in half if we immediately stop the entitlist handouts to the freeloaders.

No money to buy SUV's and gas with, no need for gas. They can take mass transit if they need to go anywhere, like lopk for a job for a change.

Here in MN the people who are fighting transit funding are the Republicans.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by art_director 

Here in MN the people who are fighting transit funding are the Republicans.

Hehe. First, try out VTA's Lightrail throughout San Jose (Santa Clara County.) Then, try out Sacramento's Lightrail... and hope you don't get mugged. I'll leave the surprise for you to figure out which county is affiliated with with political party.

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by art_director 

Who exactly are these 'freeloaders?'

The multinational corporations, maybe?

Oh, wait, never mind. Republicans are FOR entitlist handouts to those rich enough to not need them, aren't they?

[Mark Larr]

We need to bankrupt all companies and put all the workers on the street.

That'll show 'em!

[Dakar²]

We need to grossly exaggerate about what our opponents do.

That'll show 'em!

[Mark Larr]

Demoncrats already do.


Especially Gengis Kerry.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

The irony of Republicans blaming Democrats for not having a plan for removing dependency on foreign oil. That's like building a castle in a swamp... then blaming the villagers for it being too wet.



Tom: Hey everybody, it's the College Republican Club!
Tom/Mike/Crow: We are so white! We are so white! Yay us!

Who said anything about being white. All of the mall freaks around here are white.

Please list some things that the Democrats have done to make us independent from Middle-eastern oil. And the answer can't be "Bush sucks" or "Republicans suck".

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by sek929 

Dakar is by far one of the most polite people in here, quit grasping at straws, since you started a Democrat hate-thread.

Christ, the hypocrisy is thick enough to cut with a knife in here.

How is it a hate thread to give an example (among many more that could be given) that the bearded knuckle-dragging Islamists out there have the same plan for Iraq that a major American political party has? For us to leave so that they can take over Iraq.

[villalobos]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

Who said anything about being white. All of the mall freaks around here are white.

Please list some things that the Democrats have done to make us independent from Middle-eastern oil. And the answer can't be "Bush sucks" or "Republicans suck".

Kyoto agreement?

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

Demoncrats already do.


Especially Gengis Kerry.

You'd fit right in!

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

So what's the Republicans' plan? I mean, obviously, besides increasing our foreign energy dependencies.

I think Al Gore came out with a movie once.

I listed 6 things that could be done to reduce our energy dependence on Middle-eastern oil. Can you give examples of where the Democratic party has worked toward such goals? Because I can you give example of where the Republicans have and the Democrats have fought them on it. They fought them all while these same leaders of the Democratic party call Americans who drive SUV's un-American as they fly around in private jets and take limo's everywhere they go, in addition to owning SUV's themselves and owning several mansions that use more energy in a month than most Americans use in a year.

[Dakar²]

To sate my curiosity what's a mall freak? Emo kids? Goth? Punk? Nerd-chic?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

I agree. They don't have to have a democracy in the exact form that we have one. But they can either stop living like knuckle-draggers and join the civilized world that respects women and equal rights and basic human rights or the men and women that have died in that effort have all died in vain and that can never be acceptable again.

This thread was kind of interesting for a minute there. Do you remember how the US democracy used to be for white male landed gentry only? That went on for what about 2/3 of the current age of the country? In one breath, you say that no they don't have to have a democracy just like ours, but they do have to have democracy, oh yeah, and it had better be just like ours. And not only just like ours when ours started off, but pretty much just like ours is right now, since the last 50 years. Why don't you pick one thing to work on first. Imposing democracy on a land that hasn't had it before, or imposing equal rights, or women's rights, or some other thing I'm sure you'll come up with soon. Surely you must realize that it's easier to trick the "knuckle-draggers" (as you call them in so civilized a manner) into one thing at a time than it is to overturn their whole world view all at once...eh?

Us leaving with our tail between our legs like the Democratic congress made us do in Vietnam will have consequences for many decades. Just look at the statements of the bearded Knuckle-dragger talking about never forgetting seeing the Americans pull out of Vietnam and how we don't have the fortitude to fight long wars.

I'd be interested to know your opinion on one thing, irrespective of examples: do you think that the US is unbeatable, no matter the conflict, if they just keep dumping resources into it? Are there no circumstances when the US can't simply bully their opponent into submission?

[ink]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

Or better yet, become energy independant from the Middle east.

Wow, maybe there still ARE real conservatives left.

Next thing you know, they'll want to sign Kyoto and become energy independent from everyone, not just the Middle East.

Then we can move onto enabling free enterprise and intellectual innovation with universal health care (hopefully it won't take another foreign war for you to come around to that..).

[Mark Larr]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

You'd fit right in!

I ain't took a personal swipe at you yet, but you couldn't resist.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

I ain't took a personal swipe at you yet, but you couldn't resist.

Your ridiculousness is more than I can bear. I apologize.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by villalobos 

Kyoto agreement?

Please explain why the Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol to the Senate for ratification. Could it be maybe for the same reasons that Bush has not? Maybe because all of the economic studies have demonstrated that a large decline in GDP would occur and because of the exemption granted to China (the world's second greatest emitter of carbons). Could it be because the treaty is flawed?

Not being subject to the Kyoto agreement is not a valid argument for why the Democrats have fought domestic drilling, drilling off the coast, new refineries, curbing immigration, increased use of nuclear energy and clean coal, et cetera. Nice try though.

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

To sate my curiosity what's a mall freak? Emo kids? Goth? Punk? Nerd-chic?

All of those except I don't know what a "nerd-chic" is. And I don't want to know. Gawd, I really don't. It's bad enough as it is.