[Dark Helmet]

"On Sept. 11, 2006, the fifth anniversary of the terror attacks that devastated our nation, a man crashed his car into a building in Davenport, Iowa, hoping to blow it up and kill himself in the fire.

No national newspaper, magazine or network newscast reported this attempted suicide bombing, though an AP wire story was available.

Had the criminal, David McMenemy, been Arab or Muslim, this would have been headline news for weeks. But since his target was the Edgerton Women's Health Center, rather than, say, a bank or a police station, media have not called this terrorism -- even after three decades of extreme violence by anti-abortion fanatics, mostly fundamentalist Christians who believe they're fighting a holy war."

Very interesting. Seems there is a holy war going on in America when you look at these Christian fundamentalists.

http://www.alternet.org/story/43182

[Mark Larr]

Yeah, they're the same.

Three decades of extreme violence? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

C'mon, your credibility just took a dive.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Mark Larr 

C'mon, your credibility just took a dive.

My credibility?

[Sky Captain]

Ummm yeah. lets compair casualty figures.

[Railroader]

I'm sorry, but anyone who claims a person who attacks an abortion clinic is a "fundamentalist Christian" has no clue to what they are talking about.

More like "insane person claiming to be a Christian."

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

I'm sorry, but anyone who claims a person who attacks an abortion clinic is a "fundamentalist Christian" has no clue to what they are talking about.

More like "insane person claiming to be a Christian."

I'm sorry, but anyone who claims a person who attacks the US is a "fundamentalist Muslim" has no clue to what they are talking about.

More like "insane person claiming to be a Muslim."

[Macrobat]

Sorry, it doesn't play. just more tinfoil-hat moonbattedness.

Sorry, but it's been proven that those who attacked the US were fundamentalist Muslims, unlike any projection you or the left-leaning media would like to attempt to complete.

See, it's all in the way they're treated. Christians treat their moonbats like moonbats, prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Muslime turn out in the streets by the hundreds of thousands to cheer about what their moonbats accomplish - anyone who can't connect those dots obviously has no clue what they're talking about. (Or is attempting to advance a not-so-transparent agenda - huh?)

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Sorry, it doesn't play. just more tinfoil-hat moonbattedness.

Sorry, but it's been proven that those who attacked the US were fundamentalist Muslims, unlike any projection you or the left-leaning media would like to attempt to complete.

See, it's all in the way they're treated. Christians treat their moonbats like moonbats, prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Muslime turn out in the streets by the hundreds of thousands to cheer about what their moonbats accomplish - anyone who can't connect those dots obviously has no clue what they're talking about. (Or is attempting to advance a not-so-transparent agenda - huh?)

I think you missed his point. He wasn't claiming that those who actually attacked the US weren't fundamentalist Muslims.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Sorry, it doesn't play. just more tinfoil-hat moonbattedness.

Sorry, but it's been proven that those who attacked the US were fundamentalist Muslims, unlike any projection you or the left-leaning media would like to attempt to complete.

See, it's all in the way they're treated. Christians treat their moonbats like moonbats, prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Muslime turn out in the streets by the hundreds of thousands to cheer about what their moonbats accomplish - anyone who can't connect those dots obviously has no clue what they're talking about. (Or is attempting to advance a not-so-transparent agenda - huh?)

OK you don't get it but whatever.

This is what is being said.

"fundamentalist Muslims" are all evil. All muslims are terrorists.

"fundamentalist Christians" are just sick people who use religion as an excuse to do bad things.

Get it now?

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Sorry, it doesn't play. just more tinfoil-hat moonbattedness.

Sorry, but it's been proven that those who attacked the US were fundamentalist Muslims, unlike any projection you or the left-leaning media would like to attempt to complete.

See, it's all in the way they're treated. Christians treat their moonbats like moonbats, prosecuting them to the full extent of the law. Muslime turn out in the streets by the hundreds of thousands to cheer about what their moonbats accomplish - anyone who can't connect those dots obviously has no clue what they're talking about. (Or is attempting to advance a not-so-transparent agenda - huh?)

You know what I just realized?

How boring this post would be without the word 'moonbat.'

[Macrobat]

Not here to entertain you.

I got your gist perfectly, simply pointed out how completely inane it was. (as usual) No one made the absolutist statement you were trying to argue, so it wasn;t worth debating. Once again, several of you are guilty of having the argument you want to have, despite the argument actually presented to you.

For instance, one of the two religions in question actually teaches that such attacks are not only sanctioned, but a path to Paradise. (duh)

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

For instance, one of the two religions in question actually teaches that such attacks are not only sanctioned, but a path to Paradise. (duh)

Ok so they are not religious then.

The radical Christians do teach that they need to carry out gods will and will end up in paradise for it.

[Sky Captain]

Sheer numbers of muslim terrorists make the dfference.
Sheer numbers.

[Rumor]

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Sheer numbers of muslim terrorists make the dfference.
Sheer numbers.

What all 20 of em from 9/11?

If you invade their country I am not so sure you have the right to complain about them shooting at you.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Ok so they are not religious then.

The radical Christians do teach that they need to carry out gods will and will end up in paradise for it.

Unlike Christ's repudiation of faith-propagating violence - "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight" (John 18: 36)

Muhammad urges followers to kill enemies of Allah - "slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9: 5)

Medieval Catholic violence was a lapse from Christ's methods & condemned by the New Testament, Islamic violence is in perfect accord with Muhammad's hostile directives.

http://www.loveengland.org/achristianperspective1.html

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

I'm sorry, but anyone who claims a person who attacks the US is a "fundamentalist Muslim" has no clue to what they are talking about.

More like "insane person claiming to be a Muslim."

Your ignorance of fundamentalism in Christianity and Islam is great.

NEWS FLASH: Christians and Muslims have vastly different beliefs.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

Ok so they are not religious then.

The radical Christians do teach that they need to carry out gods will and will end up in paradise for it.

Nope.

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Your ignorance of fundamentalism in Christianity and Islam is great.

NEWS FLASH: Christians and Muslims have vastly different beliefs.

You mean aside from the fact that both cling to willful ignorance and an utterly unshakeable conviction that their way is the only Right Way and all who believe otherwise are doomed to the fires of their respective Hells?

Quite frankly, that one significant similarity makes the differences between them mere window-dressing.

[marden]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

You mean aside from the fact that both cling to willful ignorance and an utterly unshakeable conviction that their way is the only Right Way and all who believe otherwise are doomed to the fires of their respective Hells?

Quite frankly, that one significant similarity makes the differences between them mere window-dressing.

Unlike Christ's repudiation of faith-propagating violence - "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight" (John 18: 36)

Muhammad urges followers to kill enemies of Allah - "slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9: 5)

Medieval Catholic violence was a lapse from Christ's methods & condemned by the New Testament, Islamic violence is in perfect accord with Muhammad's hostile directives.

http://www.loveengland.org/achristianperspective1.html

Go to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ and look at how many Muslims acted in furtherance of their religious beliefs which instructed them to kill.

Then find ALL the Christians who acted in furtherance of their religious beliefs by killing.

Hopefully your intelligence will then do what's needed to put this misunderstanding of yours to rest.

[christ]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Sorry, but it's been proven that those who attacked the US were fundamentalist Muslims...

Bzzzzt - wrong answer. It has been demonstrated that they were "insane people claiming to be Muslims." As your very own Aberdeenwriter has acknowledged, the vast majority of Muslims interpret the Koran peacefully, and only the mad minority perform suicide attacks etc.

They were not Muslims, by any mainstream interpretation, any more than the berk in Iowa was a Christian.

... unless you are knowledgeable enough about Islam to disagree with at least 85% of practising Muslims? (abe's figures)

[marden]

Originally Posted by christ 

Bzzzzt - wrong answer. It has been demonstrated that they were "insane people claiming to be Muslims." As your very own Aberdeenwriter has acknowledged, the vast majority of Muslims interpret the Koran peacefully, and only the mad minority perform suicide attacks etc.

They were not Muslims, by any mainstream interpretation, any more than the berk in Iowa was a Christian.

... unless you are knowledgeable enough about Islam to disagree with at least 85% of practising Muslims? (abe's figures)

Not sure what Abe said, but take a look at this:

19 million Muslims for jihad
...and that's just in Indonesia
By Michelle Malkin   ·   October 15, 2006 10:00 PM

First, read the latest headline:

One in 10 Indonesia Muslims back violent jihad: poll

The details:

Around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims support jihad and justify bomb attacks on Indonesia's tourist island of Bali as defending the faith, a survey released on Sunday showed.

Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous country, with 220 million people, 85 percent of whom follow Islam, giving the Asian archipelago the largest Muslim population of any nation in the world.

"Jihad that has been understood partially and practiced with violence is justified by around one in 10 Indonesian Muslims," the Indonesian Survey Institute said in a statement.

"They approved the bombings conducted ... in Bali with the excuse of defending Islam," it added, saying the percentage of such support "is very significant."

While the vast majority of Indonesia's Muslims are relatively moderate, there has been an increasingly vocal militant minority and political pressure for more laws that are in line with hardline Muslim teachings.

The poll surveyed a random sample of 1,092 Muslim men and women.

Now, some quick math:

220 million Indonesians.

85 percent of them Muslim.

1 in 10 of those Muslims support suicide bombings to "defend their faith." (As Robert Spencer notes, "that's just those who are willing to tell a pollster something that they would know the government would not likely be happy to hear.")

So, that's 19 million Muslims for violent jihad in "moderate" Indonesia alone.

Another survey published over the summer underscores the myth of "moderate" Muslim Indonesia. The Washington Times editorialized:

More than two-thirds of Indonesians favor the country's current secular system of law, according to a privately funded nationwide survey by the Indonesian Survey Circle, a pollster. If that seems like good news, read it this way: This means there are "only" about 82 million Indonesians who favor Shariah. Approximately 216 million out of Indonesia's approximately 246 million inhabitants, or nearly nine-tenths of the population, are Muslims. And while Indonesia's religious and cultural climate is justifiably regarded as moderate in comparison to much of the rest of the Muslim world -- and its government is a very useful ally against terrorism -- the numbers still leave plenty of room for concern.

Just over two-thirds of respondents disapprove of the death penalty for those who renounce Islam, according to the survey, which was first reported by Rupert Murdoch's www.news.com.au. More than three-quarters of Indonesians disapprove of mandatory head scarves. Nearly two-thirds oppose stoning for adultery. More than 75 percent are against severing the hands of thieves.

When the aggregate numbers of people are factored in, the study looks considerably more disturbing. If one-quarter of Indonesians favor cutting off the hands of thieves, it suggests that upwards of 60 million Indonesians favor the practice. If roughly 164 million Indonesians oppose stoning adulterers, it means that more than 80 million favor doing so.

Add those jihadi-endorsing and sharia-embracing masses to these Muslims polled in Britain in July:

13% of British Muslims think that the four men who carried out the London Tube and bus bombings of July 7 2005 should be regarded as “martyrs”

7% agree that suicide attacks on civilians in the UK can be justified in some circumstances, rising to 16 per cent for a military target

16% of British Muslims say that while the attacks may have been wrong, the cause was right

16% would be “indifferent” if a family member decided to join al-Qaeda and two per cent would be proud

And toss in these European Muslims polled by Pew in June:

(SEE CHART AT LINK http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006121.htm )

Small minority? Only if you use Dhimmi Math.

***

As Mark Steyn emphasizes in his superb new book, America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It (launches tomorrow), it's the demographics, stupid. While the West hyperventilated about overpopulation, the Muslim world got busy. In 1970, Steyn points out, developed nations had twice as big a share of the global population as the Muslim world: 30 percent to 15 percent. By 2000, they were on par with about 20 percent. And things ain't looking up, fertility-rate-wise, for the non-Muslim population. Coupled with the decline of the modern social-democratic state and what he calls "civilizational exhaustion," those numbers spell trouble.

Steyn:

You don't have to subscribe to the view that every Muslim is a jihadist nutcake eager to hijack a 747 and head for the nearest tall building to acknolwedge that at the very minimum these population trends put a large question mark over the future.

Linda Frum interviewed Steyn for the National Post and this q and a says it all for me (my daughter is six, too):
LF: Your book is very gloomy. After I read it, I glanced over at my three-year-old daughter and was filled with fear for her future.

MS: Well, I'm in this for the three year-olds. My youngest child is six now, but my little girl and your little girl, when they're our age, they will find a large number of places in what we think of as the free world, the developed world, far less congenial than we would. I mean, you and I would think nothing of hopping on a plane, going to London, Paris or Berlin. Those are going to be very uncomfortable places for a young, middle-aged Western woman circa 2020, 2030, and it's precisely because we've taken for granted this very unusual period in history. We take it for granted that it's a permanent state of affairs. It isn't. It requires incredible vigilance and incredible effort to preserve it.

And, as Steyn writes in his book, it starts with a simple decision:

Americans and other Westerners who want their families to enjoy the blessings of life in a free society should understand that the life we've led since 1945 in the Western world is very rare in human history. Our children are unlikely to enjoy anything so placid, and may well spend their adult years in an ugly and savage world unless we decide that who and what we are is worth defending.

Nineteen million Muslims in Indonesia alone have made up their minds. Is it already too late for us?

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006121.htm

[christ]

So, 85% is about right?

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

What all 20 of em from 9/11?

If you invade their country I am not so sure you have the right to complain about them shooting at you.

What about blowing up INNOCENT civilians?
That's ok if muslims are blowing up muslims?

So far from the cousensus, we're facing every nutbag Middle Easterner that can hitch a ride to Iraq.
If you asked me, we're doing the ME a service.

[marden]

Originally Posted by christ 

So, 85% is about right?

Until we have more authoritative estimates those are the numbers I've found and will use in my posts.

But how many are needed to present a threat to the US? To the WORLD?

If you look at the United States' population of 300,000,000 you recognize we are a very populous nation.

We have 2,479,713 total troops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...f_total_troops

That is less than 1% of our population.

With only a MINORITY of our total number of troops stationed in the M.E. (appx 200,000 http://www.heritage.org/Research/Nat...y/cda06-02.cfm ) we are still seen as a military threat to Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan or the regions where our manpower is congregated.

Yet, when we discuss 15% of the world's 1.2 billion - 1.8 billion Muslims being a jihadist threat that we should be concerned with, some of you look askance.

15% of 1,200,000,000 = 180,000,000 that's a LOT of jihadists.

Then if you add Iran's 11,770,000 soldiers and paramilitaries I wonder how many there must be before you raise your eyebrow? Or open your eyes?

[Mark Larr]

Oh lookit, it started waaaay before 9/11 with fanatical brainwashed religous fanatics and airplanes...

Allah akbar

[G Barnett]

Originally Posted by marden 

A Christian Perspective 1

Go to TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World and look at how many Muslims acted in furtherance of their religious beliefs which instructed them to kill.

Then find ALL the Christians who acted in furtherance of their religious beliefs by killing.

Hopefully your intelligence will then do what's needed to put this misunderstanding of yours to rest.

This will be my one exemption of my having you on /ignore. Misunderstanding? Oh, I don't misunderstand at all. Yes, the Islamic fundies are prone to using violence to achieve their means. And yes, while there are a few aberrations in the US of Christian Fundies blowing up clinics/shooting doctors, for the most part they're not using violence. Instead, the Christian Fundies are building a power base and trying to usurp the political process to achieve their goals.

This does not at all mean that the risk they pose to the American way of life is in any way reduced. The violence and killing is what I'm calling the "window dressing." It's a means to an end; both groups use different means, sure -- but their end goals are, all differences in ideology and methodology aside, identical -- the "nonbelievers" living under laws dictated by their religious beliefs.

This is not acceptable, not from Muslims, not from Christians, not from Scientologists, not from Buddhism, not from any religion you can name.

Quite frankly, I regard the Christian Fundamentalists to be a far more dangerous group than the Islamic ones, due to proximity and due to their successful-to-date infiltration of our political system. As I've said before, once the Republicans tell Falwell, Dobson, Robertson and all their ilk to take a hike, then and only then will I believe you have a true handle on the dangers of Fundamentalists of all stripes.

'Till then, well, I remain opposed to your selective blindness.

[marden]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

This will be my one exemption of my having you on /ignore. Misunderstanding? Oh, I don't misunderstand at all. Yes, the Islamic fundies are prone to using violence to achieve their means. And yes, while there are a few aberrations in the US of Christian Fundies blowing up clinics/shooting doctors, for the most part they're not using violence. Instead, the Christian Fundies are building a power base and trying to usurp the political process to achieve their goals.

This does not at all mean that the risk they pose to the American way of life is in any way reduced. The violence and killing is what I'm calling the "window dressing." It's a means to an end; both groups use different means, sure -- but their end goals are, all differences in ideology and methodology aside, identical -- the "nonbelievers" living under laws dictated by their religious beliefs.

This is not acceptable, not from Muslims, not from Christians, not from Scientologists, not from Buddhism, not from any religion you can name.

Quite frankly, I regard the Christian Fundamentalists to be a far more dangerous group than the Islamic ones, due to proximity and due to their successful-to-date infiltration of our political system. As I've said before, once the Republicans tell Falwell, Dobson, Robertson and all their ilk to take a hike, then and only then will I believe you have a true handle on the dangers of Fundamentalists of all stripes.

'Till then, well, I remain opposed to your selective blindness.

Author and Newsweek Editor, Jon Meacham says of America, "...we're not a Christian nation, we're not entirely a secular state. We're a nation full of Christians. We're a nation with an important secular tradition...we're working (or should be working) in the service of freedom and liberty because that's what got us here..."

Freedom and liberty are what got us here, a nation full of Christians with a secular tradition.

Christianity has successfully co-existed within America long before any of you who object to our religious preferences or national traditions came on the scene.

Godlessness can be tolerated in America. And all kinds of religions are tolerated in America.

But it is important that we do not mistakenly bestow our golden religious tolerance to those who would use it to bring down all that we have, all that we are and all that we were founded to represent.

It is you who come here trying to twist our minds against ourselves and cast yourself as the guardian of America's values who is wrong.

I hope the other posters who feel the same will check in and let these other posters know that their efforts to drive a wedge into American society (as was done to drive a wedge between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq) will not work.

[Atomic Rooster]

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim god is a terrorist.

Read the Old Testament. Wow!!

[marden]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim god is a terrorist.

Read the Old Testament. Wow!!

Unlike Christ's repudiation of faith-propagating violence - "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight" (John 18: 36)

Muhammad urges followers to kill enemies of Allah - "slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9: 5)

Medieval Catholic violence was a lapse from Christ's methods & condemned by the New Testament, Islamic violence is in perfect accord with Muhammad's hostile directives.

A Christian Perspective 1

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

You mean aside from the fact that both cling to willful ignorance and an utterly unshakeable conviction that their way is the only Right Way and all who believe otherwise are doomed to the fires of their respective Hells?

Quite frankly, that one significant similarity makes the differences between them mere window-dressing.

You think your values are the correct ones
They think their values are the correct ones

Same ****, different pile.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

This is the bigger question for me.

In a thread that is clearly called "For the Gay Guys, How'd You Meet Mr. Right?" Why in the world would anyone not gay even come into this thread in the first place?

Unless Zimphire, what_the_heck and Doofy are all wondering the same question.

Tell us Dark, what would someone NOT Christian constantly not only come to threads about Christianity, but also make them if they aren't Christian?

Use your own logic on yourself there big guy.

'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
(If you wanna make the world a better place)
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change
(Take a look at yourself, and then make a change)
(Na na na, na na na, na na, na nah)

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

You mean aside from the fact that both cling to willful ignorance and an utterly unshakeable conviction that their way is the only Right Way and all who believe otherwise are doomed to the fires of their respective Hells?

Quite frankly, that one significant similarity makes the differences between them mere window-dressing.

Please try to stay on topic and not derail this thread.

But to address your point: A true fundamentalist Muslim justifies killing in the name of his god. A true fundamentalist Christian believes in killing no one for any reason. And you think that's window dressing?!?! I find that significant.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

You think your values are the correct ones
They think their values are the correct ones

Same ****, different pile.

A rare occurrence; I completely agree with SWG. Well, not the exactness, but the agreement with the arrogance/hypocricy of who he is responding to.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

A true fundamentalist Christian believes in killing no one for any reason. And you think that's window dressing?!?! I find that significant.

You realize you've opened a whole big can of worms with that statement. You know that's not true.

I won't even offer anything up on that one cuz you already know you stuck your foot in it.

[Kevin]

I think a mod in here once said anyone that tried to correlate Muslim terrorism with Christianity had an agenda.

This is still true.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

You realize you've opened a whole big can of worms with that statement. You know that's not true.

I won't even offer anything up on that one cuz you already know you stuck your foot in it.

No I don't. A fundamentalist Christian is NOT what the media has determined it to be. A fundamentalist Christian believes in the fundamentals of Christ's teachings. Show me where Jesus advocates the killing of anyone.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

No I don't. A fundamentalist Christian is NOT what the media has determined it to be. A fundamentalist Christian believes in the fundamentals of Christ's teachings. Show me where Jesus advocates the killing of anyone.

I never mentioned Jesus. Over and out.

Now OK, You're a Christian. Do you believe in the death penalty?

Do you believe Saddam should hang?



Why are there more executions in the "Bible Belt"?

[Kevin]

Because humans suck.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

I think a mod in here once said anyone that tried to correlate Muslim terrorism with Christianity had an agenda.

This is still true.

Thanks for the new sig!

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Tell us Dark, what would someone NOT Christian constantly not only come to threads about Christianity, but also make them if they aren't Christian?

Holy Moly! A thread about "a nation full of christians" in a forum full of christians who constantly drum up hate for other religions, and they mention christians in it? That's amazing!

Say, did you know that 40% of sick days are taken on Mondays and Fridays?!!? I'm outraged.

Hay, wait a second. Maybe this article just mentioned christian fundamentalists because they're the only ones that bomb abortion clinics...hmmm....

[marden]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Holy Moly! A thread about "a nation full of christians" in a forum full of christians who constantly drum up hate for other religions, and they mention christians in it? That's amazing!

Say, did you know that 40% of sick days are taken on Mondays and Fridays?!!? I'm outraged.

Hay, wait a second. Maybe this article just mentioned christian fundamentalists because they're the only ones that bomb abortion clinics...hmmm....

Unless you start making and respecting the distinction between moderate Muslims and Jihadists we'll have to start calling you an Islamophobe.

We are focusing on the jihadists.

What you are doing is confusing our hatred for those who want to kill us with those who want their own slice of the American Pie while being fully Muslim.

They are different groups.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Because humans suck.

Humans most certainly do not suck and there is absolutely NO benefit to this idiotic, pretentious self-loathing BS.

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Tell us Dark, what would someone NOT Christian constantly not only come to threads about Christianity, but also make them if they aren't Christian?

Use your own logic on yourself there big guy.

'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
(If you wanna make the world a better place)
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change
(Take a look at yourself, and then make a change)
(Na na na, na na na, na na, na nah)

Off topic, but I love that song and think it's one of the best MJ-songs ever, although "that looking at yourself in the mirror and then making a change"-part of the song can have another more profane meaning when thinking about MJ's preference for face-changes.

Taliesin

[Taliesin]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

For instance, one of the two religions in question actually teaches that such attacks are not only sanctioned, but a path to Paradise. (duh)

You are wrong here, and not in just one way.

Radical Islamism teaches that suicide-bombings are a path to paradise, and not the religion as a whole.

Islam in general has a lot of problems and is currently in its reformation-phase because of these problems.

Taliesin

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by marden 

Not sure what Abe said, but take a look at this:

You're still not fooling anyone.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Humans most certainly do not suck and there is absolutely NO benefit to this idiotic, pretentious self-loathing BS.

smacintush it's not self loathing. It's just being honest.

"Know thy Self"

When a human's actions go against the very religion that it is following, you certainly can't blame the religion can you?

Get rid of religion and these problems will STILL exist.

The problem is within human nature itself. And it's not going away.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Holy Moly! A thread about "a nation full of christians" in a forum full of christians who constantly drum up hate for other religions, and they mention christians in it? That's amazing!

You didn't get my point at all. Go back and try again.

[christ]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

I think a mod in here once said anyone that tried to correlate Muslim terrorism with Christianity had an agenda.

This is still true.

No-one has.

Someone successfully compared (nominally) Muslim terrorism with (nominally) Christian terrorism.

... and it was pointed out that neither of things has anything to do with the actual religions, in either case.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by christ 

Someone successfully compared (nominally) Muslim terrorism with (nominally) Christian terrorism.

He said anyone that made a comparison of the two had an agenda. And from what I have seen, it's true.

And the only real similarities is that it's both terrorism. And "Christian Terrorism" is simply not on the grand scale as Muslim terrorism. Nor is Christians reaction to such actions the same.

When the majority of America's Christians start rooting for bombers you might have a point.

Until then, comparing the two usually leads to an agenda.

When I see these SAME people pointing out not only similarities, but also the differences then I might think otherwise. Till then it's painfully obvious.