[mac128k-1984]

Boston.com is reporting that Bangor Maine is looking to prohibit smoking in your car if a child is present.

"Children, he said, are seldom able to avoid riding with adults or older teens who smoke."

I know Doofy will make his comment on tying facism and smoking bans together

Now I don't smoke and to be honest I applaud this move because its the littles ones who cannot speak up on this and they don't need to inhale cancer causing smoke. As an adult you're free to do so, but children have no such say when adults light up in front of them.

[Doofy]

Next step: Banning smoking in your own house if children are present.

[Rumor]

I think that law goes into effect here in 08.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Next step: Banning smoking in your own house if children are present.

Damn straight!

[Dork.]

TV can also harm youngsters in large enough doses. Are we going to send inspectors to everyone's houses to make sure that the little ones aren't spending their entire day zombified in front of the tube?

I agree with you that smoking is a nasty, filthy habit. I'm fully in support of a total and complete smoking ban in all cars that I own. I'm all for smoking bans in public. The resturant smoking bans in NYS have made going out to eat a pleasant experience again. But if parents want to subject their little ones to recirculated secondhand smoke in the car, or in the privacy of their homes, then there's not a thing we can do about it without forcing the government to monitor every aspect of our lives, all the time.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

then there's not a thing we can do about it without forcing the government to monitor every aspect of our lives, all the time.

And there's the rub - that's where it's headed.

[mac128k-1984]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Next step: Banning smoking in your own house if children are present.

All kidding aside, I wouldn't be surprised to see in the near future parents that smoke be brought up on child abuse charges.

Like I said I'm not against this ordinance but we do seem to be marching towards the day where it will be outlawed. I'm not a smoker so these laws really don't effect me and if it protects children then I'm for it.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 

All kidding aside, I wouldn't be surprised to see in the near future parents that smoke be brought up on child abuse charges.

Like I said I'm not against this ordinance but we do seem to be marching towards the day where it will be outlawed. I'm not a smoker so these laws really don't effect me and if it protects children then I'm for it.

Sorry but I can't support this in any way, shape or form. It gives way too much power to the government.

[Rumor]

Doofy for preznit in 08. "Boobies for everyone!"

[Macrobat]

Atlanta has had this in effect for some time now. In Dekalb County, you cannot walk down the street with a lit cigarette.

I imagine the first iteration will be an "adult" child suing for some health problem they manage to tie to the cigarette smoking. Here's the rub: They probably won't sue the parents, they'll sue the cigratette companies, because they have the "deep pockets."

[mac128k-1984]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Sorry but I can't support this in any way, shape or form. It gives way too much power to the government.

I wasn't asking you to support it. I was making a statement that in the future parents could be arrested for smoking.

[Dakar²]

Here's the question: If smoking is harmful to children, is it the right of the parents to inflict it upon them?

I suppose the answer is inevitably yes, so long as they are control their eating habits, hygiene, etc.

[Rumor]

"You can't spank you children, but you can blow cigarette smoke in their face."

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

"You can't spank you children, but you can blow cigarette smoke in their face."

I'd like to see that in action.

[hyteckit]

I put vodka into the baby bottle. And you thought the baby was drooling and puking before.

[Zeeb]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

And there's the rub - that's where it's headed.

I doubt it. More likely the government would ban cigarettes altogether before they would enact a law that would require them to monitor people like that.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by Zeeb 

I doubt it. More likely the government would ban cigarettes altogether before they would enact a law that would require them to monitor people like that.

Recent experience of life in Britain confirms the opposite - that such bans are actually the excuse for closer monitoring of people.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

"You can't spank you children, but you can blow cigarette smoke in their face."

http://www.wwaytv3.com/global/story....Type=Printable


"A North Carolina appeals court made a controversial ruling this week involving the corporal punishment. They said it's OK to spank your child -- even hit them with a belt -- as long as it does not cause serious injury.

The ruling overturned a decision from a Pender County judge last year."

"The court ruling takes a clear stand on what constitutes child abuse. The court says abuse causes serious physical injury and simple bruises may not count. Cases showing abuse have included parents who pulled out their children's hair, burned them or punched them -- all of which required immediate medical attention."

[Uncle Skeleton]

As long as marijuini is illegal, anything about cigarettes that remains legal is pure hypocrisy. Alcohol too. Fast food, chocolate and red meat are a grey area.

[Tuoder]

The way things are going, pot will be legal, but you will not be allowed to smoke it.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Next step: Banning smoking in your own house if children are present.

I would hope so.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Dork. 

TV can also harm youngsters in large enough doses. Are we going to send inspectors to everyone's houses to make sure that the little ones aren't spending their entire day zombified in front of the tube?

An individual watching TV doesn't hurt other people.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

As long as marijuini is illegal, anything about cigarettes that remains legal is pure hypocrisy. Alcohol too. Fast food, chocolate and red meat are a grey area.

I agree. There's no reasonable reason why marijuana is illegal while cigarettes aren't. I think the cigarette companies are missing a huge financial opportunity with marijuana.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I would hope so.

Hmmm... Dictating what people can and can't do in their own homes. We know a word for that, don't we?

[turtle777]

Shocking. What's next ?

Laws prohibiting child molestation at home ?



Uhm, no, wait, nevermind

-t

[spacefreak]

What a joke. Like police don't have enough to worry about without being flooded with calls from weenies: "I was driving around my neighborhood, and Mrs. Jones down the road is smoking a cigarette".

[mac128k-1984]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

As long as marijuini is illegal, anything about cigarettes that remains legal is pure hypocrisy. Alcohol too. Fast food, chocolate and red meat are a grey area.

I agree, heck heroin and meth should be legal too

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by spacefreak 

What a joke. Like police don't have enough to worry about without being flooded with calls from weenies: "I was driving around my neighborhood, and Mrs. Jones down the road is smoking a cigarette".

My guess is it'd be as strictly enforced as no-cellphone & seatbelt laws.

[placebo1969]

The government already tells you what you can and can’t do in your home, especially regarding children. The police and CPS don’t go out looking for crimes and/or abuse. Law enforcement, by nature, is reactive. As I’ve mentioned previously, I work for CPS. If we don’t get a report from someone, we don’t/can’t go out.

There are already many laws that say what you can and can’t do to a child. This is the main point, I believe. Sure, if you’re an adult, smoke in your car, smoke in your home. But if children are present, no. I firmly believe that smoking around children is akin to child abuse.

This topic is making some strange bedfellows.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 

I agree, heck heroin and meth should be legal too

They should mix cocaine with caramelized sugar water and call it Coca-Cola. I don't think that has been done before...oh wait!

[Dork.]

I dug up this thread because I saw this NYT article this morning, and immediately thought of Uncle Doofy!

New York Times: Maine City Bans Smoking in Cars with Children

“I think because we have so affirmatively dealt with public places being smoke-free, it has simply made people think about places that are less public,” said Kathleen Dachille, director of Center for Tobacco Regulation at the University of Maryland. “If a worker in a bar is entitled to protection from secondhand smoke, how can we ignore what is happening to children?”

Gary Nolan, a spokesman for the pro-smoker’s group, The Smoker’s Club, said such bans and court decisions were based on “junk science.”

“At some point these busybodies have to stop,” Mr. Nolan said. “If we can give our rights up to personal property, the nose of the camel is in the tent and there’s no telling how far we can go. I’m telling you the high-fat craze is next.”

Better watch out for how far that camel nose goes into your tent!

[spacefreak]

Originally Posted by placebo1969 

I firmly believe that smoking around children is akin to child abuse.

Children at an early age list the President as a top figure, and many state that they want to be President when they grow up. So how do you feel about having a President - say Barack Hussein Obama - being a confirmed smoker?

[placebo1969]

Why would I want an inexperienced Junior Senator from Illinois as a President?