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"America will be destroyed. But we must be patient."
Saudi Cleric Nasser bin Suleiman Al-'Omar: ‘America is Now Disappearing From the Hearts Within America Itself... Whereas Islam is Growing Even Within America’; ‘Whoever is Familiar With the Sunna and Hadith Knows That a Battle Against the Enemies of Allah Awaits on the Horizon, in Which the Muslims Will Be Victorious’
On April 19, 2006, Saudi Islamist cleric Sheikh Dr. Nasser Al-'Omar appeared on Al-Jazeera delivering a lecture on jihad. In it, he said, "The Islamic nation now faces a great phase of jihad," and added "There are places where jihad is proper - Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Chechnya, Kashmir, and the Philippines." He also told his audience that the U.S. was "disappearing" - echoing his statement on Al-Majd TV on June 13, 2004 that "America is collapsing," and that Muslims "must be patient."
In November 2004, Dr. Al-'Omar made headlines as one of the 26 signatories of a fatwa supporting the Iraqi resistance. On December 17, 2004, he explained, in an interview for the PBS program Frontline, why he was opposed to eliminating anti-Western and antisemitic teachings from Saudi schoolbooks. [1]
According to a March 13, 2006 Reuters report, Al-'Omar hosted a reception for a Hamas delegation, led by Khaled Mash'al, in Riyadh on March 12, 2006. The report also stated that according to Al-'Omar's website ( ::: ãæÞÚ ÇáãÜÓáã :::, hosted in Canada [2] ) the reception was also attended by prominent clerics and Islamists - some of whom had served prison terms for their suspected support of Al-Qaeda or for criticizing the Saudi government. [3]
The following is the transcript of excerpts from the lecture by Sheikh Dr. Nasser bin Suleiman Al-'Omar, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on April 19, 2006. TO VIEW THE CLIP, VISIT: MEMRI TV.
It is followed by the transcript of his appearance on Al-Majd TV, which aired on June 13, 2004.
TO VIEW THE CLIP, VISIT: MEMRI TV.
Special Dispatch Series - No. 1154
Just be patient. Do nothing. Don't upset the natural progression. Let it happen. Deny there is a problem from Jihadists. Assume a low profile. Await the collapse of America.
‘America is Now Disappearing From the Hearts Within America Itself...Muslims Will Be Victorious’
I think he's right. America does appear to be disappearing from the hearts of many Americans. We should just follow his advice. Do nothing and wait for the collapse.
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Originally Posted by marden 
"America will be destroyed. But we must be patient."
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Ever stop to wonder why they are so obsessed with the US?
They don't seem to mind Canada or Mexico.
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You know, if I got all hot and bothered every time a religious extremist opened their mouth (of ANY religion) I'd probably be a little crazy in the head. Who cares? Really? He's no expert, he doesn't know anything, all he is doing is clinging onto his little faith with a death grip as he watches his country slips away.
America is disappearing from our hearts? What the hell is that? Oh no, if we're not patriotic enough we'll be wiped out! By what I might ask? The hearts and minds of extremists? Not only is there no reason for this to cause us to cave, there isn't anyone to cave to in the first place.
Marden, we know your spiel. Restating every time someone on the media says something to make your partisan blood boil is no longer amusing.
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Originally Posted by invisibleX
You know, if I got all hot and bothered every time a religious extremist opened their mouth (of ANY religion) I'd probably be a little crazy in the head. Who cares? Really? He's no expert, he doesn't know anything, all he is doing is clinging onto his little faith with a death grip as he watches his country slips away.
America is disappearing from our hearts? What the hell is that? Oh no, if we're not patriotic enough we'll be wiped out! By what I might ask? The hearts and minds of extremists? Not only is there no reason for this to cause us to cave, there isn't anyone to cave to in the first place.
Marden, we know your spiel. Restating every time someone on the media says something to make your partisan blood boil is no longer amusing.
I hope this amuses you, then.
Kuwaiti Reformist: The Muslims – Not bin Laden – are Responsible for the Hatred Towards Them in the West
Dr. Ahmad Al-Baghdadi, a reformist Kuwaiti intellectual and political science lecturer at Kuwait University, argues that the Muslims themselves - not bin Laden - are responsible for the rising hatred against them around the world. He says that Muslims living in the West have failed to repay the kindness of the countries that accepted them, and instead have followed the lead of the Muslim clerics and threatened to attack these countries from within. He adds that Muslims in the West must declare that they accept Western values and sever their ties with Muslims in the East, and with the religious clerics.
The following are excerpts from Al-Baghdadi's article: [1]
The Muslims are the Ones Who Failed to Present a Positive Image of Islam
"Osama bin Laden is a terrorist, criminal, murderer and villain, and every other inhuman description applies to him as well. However, he is definitely not responsible for the rising [level] of hatred towards Muslims in the West. This hatred is reflected in numerous new measures that have recently been adopted by Western governments in an effort to stop the stream of Muslims entering America and Europe. The governments also implement laws that limit freedoms and violate human rights as another precaution, to protect the safety of their citizens...
"Even though Muslims boast that Islam is the [fastest]-growing religion in America and in the West... it is [actually] the religion that is most incomprehensible to the Europeans and the Americans.
"What is truly saddening is that Islam is being associated with terrorism due to the terrorists' frequent use of Koranic verses and hadiths to justify their terrorist actions...
"Statements made by preachers in the mosques, in articles and on various media channels accusing non-Muslims of heresy, the [preachers'] curses, and their characterization of Jews as the descendents of apes and pigs - [all these] cause Westerners to perceive Islam as an intolerant religion that rejects religious pluralism.
"The Muslims, therefore, are responsible for the distorted image of Islam prevalent in the modern West, and they are the ones who failed to present a positive image of Islam. Thus, they are responsible for the problems experienced by the Muslims today...
"Among those who incite to jihad, have you seen a single one who set out [to wage jihad] himself, or sent one of his sons to wage jihad for the sake of Allah? On the contrary - while encouraging innocent people to wage jihad in Iraq and in Chechnya, they themselves take additional wives..."
"What Do You Expect the West to Do When it Sees its Citizens Being Murdered in the Name of Religion?"
"Osama bin Laden didn't force anyone to go to Iraq, murder its people and destroy its institutions. He didn't force anyone to murder innocent people in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, America and Europe. Bin-Laden did not tell the Muslims in the West: 'Hate the country that gave you shelter when you fled [from your homelands], made you rich when you were poor, fed you when you were hungry, gave you freedom after the bondage you suffered in your Muslim countries, and educated you when you were ignorant.'
"You caused all these catastrophes out of your own choice and your own free will... and failed to repay the kindness [shown to you]. So what do you expect the West [to do] when it sees its citizens being murdered in the name of religion, when it [experiences] hatred in the name of religion and suffers the damages of terrorism [perpetrated] in the name of religion? It is only natural that the West should hate you and tighten the rope around your necks, so you do not 'invade it from within' as you declare in your announcements and sermons...
"The truth that we must deal with today is that people in the West no longer trust Muslims in general. The Muslims in the West must therefore sever their ties with the Muslims in the east, and repair their relations with the Western societies by announcing that they accept the humane values on the basis of which they were received in the West. They must also sever their ties with the religious clerics and their fatwas...
"If they fail to do this, they must bear the consequences and the difficulties that will ensue. They must not blame bin Laden and Al-Zarqawi, but [only] themselves for being driven, in ignorance, by the views of the clerics..."
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yeah marden, at least enlist if you think the world is falling apart
otherwise, calm down...it's friday!
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Originally Posted by invisibleX
You know, if I got all hot and bothered every time a religious extremist opened their mouth (of ANY religion) I'd probably be a little crazy in the head. Who cares? Really? He's no expert, he doesn't know anything, all he is doing is clinging onto his little faith with a death grip as he watches his country slips away.
America is disappearing from our hearts? What the hell is that? Oh no, if we're not patriotic enough we'll be wiped out! By what I might ask? The hearts and minds of extremists? Not only is there no reason for this to cause us to cave, there isn't anyone to cave to in the first place.
Marden, we know your spiel. Restating every time someone on the media says something to make your partisan blood boil is no longer amusing.
Here ya go, chuckles.
Beck again warned that if Muslims don't "act now" by "step[ping] to the plate" to condemn terrorism, they "will be looking through a razor wire fence at the West"
On the September 5 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Glenn Beck again warned that if "Muslims and Arabs" don't "act now" by "step[ping] to the plate" to condemn terrorism, they "will be looking through a razor wire fence at the West." Although he described as "grotesque" the possibility that Muslims could be interned like Japanese-Americans during World War II, Beck repeatedly warned that it is the responsibility of the "Muslim community" to avert such an outcome by "find[ing] a spokesman who isn't a 'yes, but' Muslim," who tacitly endorses terrorism. Later in the program, Beck asked "terrorism expert" Walid Phares, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies: "Is there anything that could happen to you that you would start to say, 'You know what? I might as well start blowing up planes?' "
Beck began his show by asking for "five minutes" so that he could "explain" how Muslims will end up "looking through a razor wire fence." He then read a quote from the first-ever Muslim to be crowned Miss England, who reportedly said: "Even moderate Muslims are turning to terrorism to prove themselves. They think they might as well support it because they are stereotyped anyway." Beck suggested the quote is "a great example of why I think, since 9-11, Americans have gotten so fed up with the 'yes, but' Muslims," adding that if "the Muslim community" doesn't "find a spokesman who isn't a 'yes, but' Muslim ... when things heat up, the profiling will only get worse, and the razor wire will be coming." Beck then wondered "if the Muslim community will ever step to the plate like the Japanese-American community did during World War II" and that "sadly, history has a way of repeating itself no matter how grotesque that history might be." He added, "The Muslim community can prevent this if they act now."
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Originally Posted by ironknee
yeah marden, at least enlist if you think the world is falling apart
otherwise, calm down...it's friday!
Hey now!
Hey, NO!
I'm hoping to prod some of the Muslims here to take up the cause of freedom, liberty, democracy and the American way.
While they may.
Glenn Beck has suddenly gotten a lot of credibility and people are paying attention to him and are following his lead.
This should be of interest to Muslims who wish to continue to enjoy America's freedoms.
He is talking about the grotesque possibility of razor wire unless the Muslim community acts now.
Should I take Friday off if I can help prevent that kind of grotesqueness?
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Originally Posted by marden
"What Do You Expect the West to Do When it Sees its Citizens Being Murdered in the Name of Religion?"
What am I supposed to be getting out of the response to this question? I don't really understand the point he's trying to make.
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Originally Posted by subego
What am I supposed to be getting out of the response to this question? I don't really understand the point he's trying to make.
He's saying what many of us have been saying since 9/11.
Why aren't Muslims standing up against the barbarity of the jihadists? And if they don't stand up who could blame America for responding as we have, or even worse?
The Muslims are the Ones Who Failed to Present a Positive Image of Islam
"Statements made by preachers in the mosques, in articles and on various media channels accusing non-Muslims of heresy, the [preachers'] curses, and their characterization of Jews as the descendents of apes and pigs - [all these] cause Westerners to perceive Islam as an intolerant religion that rejects religious pluralism.
"The Muslims, therefore, are responsible for the distorted image of Islam prevalent in the modern West, and they are the ones who failed to present a positive image of Islam. Thus, they are responsible for the problems experienced by the Muslims today...
"What Do You Expect the West to Do When it Sees its Citizens Being Murdered in the Name of Religion?"
"Osama bin Laden didn't force anyone to go to Iraq, murder its people and destroy its institutions. He didn't force anyone to murder innocent people in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, America and Europe. Bin-Laden did not tell the Muslims in the West: 'Hate the country that gave you shelter when you fled [from your homelands], made you rich when you were poor, fed you when you were hungry, gave you freedom after the bondage you suffered in your Muslim countries, and educated you when you were ignorant.'
"You caused all these catastrophes out of your own choice and your own free will... and failed to repay the kindness [shown to you]. So what do you expect the West [to do] when it sees its citizens being murdered in the name of religion, when it [experiences] hatred in the name of religion and suffers the damages of terrorism [perpetrated] in the name of religion? It is only natural that the West should hate you and tighten the rope around your necks, so you do not 'invade it from within' as you declare in your announcements and sermons...
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Originally Posted by marden
Here ya go, chuckles.
So by your logic being of a religion makes you responsible for the actions of any else claiming to be of that religion.
Sorry to break it to you but they aren't. Not only that it is not for them to "step up to the plate" and condemn anything. They aren't responsible for your ignorance either. Blaming all muslims for terrorists is an extraordinarily ignorant way of saying "oh, well its all your fault".
I actually listened to that show you quoted so you don't need to roleplay google. What he fails to realize is that there are many more complicated issues involved and to a great extent America justified terrorist agendas. If you're an Iraqi being preached to that america is the enemy, and then america attacks.. well, you might think twice.
Its a horrible thing that many in the "west" want to justify the unjust by saying "hey, the terrorists are of your religion/race so don't blame us for hating you". Very terrorist logic really: a government commits to an action so you kill the populace.
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For some reason, you seem to take the rantings of these madmen as the gospel truth. Perhaps you should exercise more skepticism when it comes to terrorists' words.
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Originally Posted by marden
Hey now!
Hey, NO!
I'm hoping to prod some of the Muslims here to take up the cause of freedom, liberty, democracy and the American way.
While they may.
Glenn Beck has suddenly gotten a lot of credibility and people are paying attention to him and are following his lead.
This should be of interest to Muslims who wish to continue to enjoy America's freedoms.
He is talking about the grotesque possibility of razor wire unless the Muslim community acts now.
Should I take Friday off if I can help prevent that kind of grotesqueness?
hey now!
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Originally Posted by invisibleX
So by your logic being of a religion makes you responsible for the actions of any else claiming to be of that religion.
Sorry to break it to you but they aren't. Not only that it is not for them to "step up to the plate" and condemn anything. They aren't responsible for your ignorance either. Blaming all muslims for terrorists is an extraordinarily ignorant way of saying "oh, well its all your fault".
I actually listened to that show you quoted so you don't need to roleplay google. What he fails to realize is that there are many more complicated issues involved and to a great extent America justified terrorist agendas. If you're an Iraqi being preached to that america is the enemy, and then america attacks.. well, you might think twice.
Its a horrible thing that many in the "west" want to justify the unjust by saying "hey, the terrorists are of your religion/race so don't blame us for hating you". Very terrorist logic really: a government commits to an action so you kill the populace.
Zawahiri thought he was right.
Qutb thought he was right.
You might be right also.
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Originally Posted by Chuckit
For some reason, you seem to take the rantings of these madmen as the gospel truth. Perhaps you should exercise more skepticism when it comes to terrorists' words.
Yeah, perhaps.
But if I can help prevent just one Muslim from having to go to an internment camp I think I should try.
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Originally Posted by ironknee
hey now!
i hope you win...i'll drink a beer for ya
Thanks man! Cheers! 
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Originally Posted by marden
I hope this amuses you, then.
"Kuwaiti Reformist: The Muslims – Not bin Laden – are Responsible for the Hatred Towards Them in the West
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Yes, it is amusing. The thought that every muslim is responsible for what an extremist says or a terrorist does. You do know what you are really saying though? You have followed it to its logical conclusion? They're responsible for our hatred. In other words bad people are a justification for us to do bad things to innocent people. Blame the victim.
Lets flip it around because this is exactly what extremists preach. No, I won't link articles for you: you'll just have to use google like everyone else.
We're responsible for extremist violence. Our actions throughout the world is why they hate us AND justification for killing our innocents. 9/11? Completely justified by our actions or inactions in the ME and the world. Hey, blowing up a bus isn't their fault either: we made them do it.
Sure you don't want to reconsider your logic now that you've seen how it compares to the extremist views? No? Too bad. Looks like for you and your kind we'll be staring at the east from a barbed wire fence while they continue acts of terrorism. Guess that fits with your philosophy though: we do whatever the hell we want, and someone else can clean up the mess.
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Originally Posted by marden
Yeah, perhaps.
But if I can help prevent just one Muslim from having to go to an internment camp I think I should try.
The fear and paranoia you are trying to instill will lead straight to those camps.
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Originally Posted by marden
Yeah, perhaps.
But if I can help prevent just one Muslim from having to go to an internment camp I think I should try.
Coming from a man who at one time wanted us to lay down our freedoms, and another when he wanted to unite the Left and Right against a common foe, and yet another played the partisan game, I'm finding this new statement a bit hard to believe.
Ignorance is always with the best of intentions I guess.
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Originally Posted by Rumor
The fear and paranoia you are trying to instill will lead straight to those camps.
The Muslims are the Ones Who Failed to Present a Positive Image of Islam
"Statements made by preachers in the mosques, in articles and on various media channels accusing non-Muslims of heresy, the [preachers'] curses, and their characterization of Jews as the descendents of apes and pigs - [all these] cause Westerners to perceive Islam as an intolerant religion that rejects religious pluralism.
"The Muslims, therefore, are responsible for the distorted image of Islam prevalent in the modern West, and they are the ones who failed to present a positive image of Islam. Thus, they are responsible for the problems experienced by the Muslims today...
"What Do You Expect the West to Do When it Sees its Citizens Being Murdered in the Name of Religion?"
"Osama bin Laden didn't force anyone to go to Iraq, murder its people and destroy its institutions. He didn't force anyone to murder innocent people in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, America and Europe. Bin-Laden did not tell the Muslims in the West: 'Hate the country that gave you shelter when you fled [from your homelands], made you rich when you were poor, fed you when you were hungry, gave you freedom after the bondage you suffered in your Muslim countries, and educated you when you were ignorant.'
"You caused all these catastrophes out of your own choice and your own free will... and failed to repay the kindness [shown to you]. So what do you expect the West [to do] when it sees its citizens being murdered in the name of religion, when it [experiences] hatred in the name of religion and suffers the damages of terrorism [perpetrated] in the name of religion? It is only natural that the West should hate you and tighten the rope around your necks, so you do not 'invade it from within' as you declare in your announcements and sermons...
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Originally Posted by Rumor
Ever stop to wonder why they are so obsessed with the US?
They don't seem to mind Canada or Mexico.
Because the entire movement is based on perceptions of power. These thinkers--and I do use that term oh-so-loosely--are trying to reconcile the failure of the Muslim world to maintain its historical dominance. It is what I have called a cultural inferiority complex. Given this underpinning for their collective psychology, the United States is their natural target.
It is our power they resent. They see clearly that the world is not theirs and--without some sort of violent upheavel--it will not be. America was winning this war before it began fighting it. Our culture and our consumerism was spreading like a juggernaut over the globe, even beginning to infect these seemingly backward countries in the Middle East. Remember what started Bin Laden's jiihad against the US: the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia. US troops means more US presence. More US presence means more cultural contamination. This is what these mullahs fear: Planet America. Not democracy, per se, but the anything-goes ethos of American culture. It is liberty in its purest form. (The one thing, I think, which somewhat redeems an otherwise bankrupt mass-media culture.)
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Because they need something to spin to their followers. A evil to rail against. Brainwashers always had a scape-goat.
The Nazis had the Jews, and the terrorists have America.
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Originally Posted by Rumor
Ever stop to wonder why they are so obsessed with the US?
They don't seem to mind Canada or Mexico.
This shows that you do not understand what is going on. They want to destroy or convert the west. It just so happens that the US is the biggest target. I guess you forgot about the teens that were arrested in Toronto? That group was associated with Al-Qaeda.
This is a clash of cultures. You are trying to view them through western eyes and you assume they can be reasoned with. Muslims in the middle east have a different sense of right and wrong and honour. I'm not just talking about extremists.
All those rules of engagement, chivalry and honour which are understood by western and Asian cultures are completely alien to the Muslim cultures of the middle east.
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Originally Posted by Helmling
Because the entire movement is based on perceptions of power. These thinkers--and I do use that term oh-so-loosely--are trying to reconcile the failure of the Muslim world to maintain its historical dominance. It is what I have called a cultural inferiority complex. Given this underpinning for their collective psychology, the United States is their natural target.
It is our power they resent. They see clearly that the world is not theirs and--without some sort of violent upheavel--it will not be. America was winning this war before it began fighting it. Our culture and our consumerism was spreading like a juggernaut over the globe, even beginning to infect these seemingly backward countries in the Middle East. Remember what started Bin Laden's jiihad against the US: the presence of American troops in Saudi Arabia. US troops means more US presence. More US presence means more cultural contamination. This is what these mullahs fear: Planet America. Not democracy, per se, but the anything-goes ethos of American culture. It is liberty in its purest form. (The one thing, I think, which somewhat redeems an otherwise bankrupt mass-media culture.)
Exactly. This has nothing to do with oil or troops in Saudi Arabia but rather what they represent. They resent that their culture is not the dominant culture on this planet politically, economically and militarily.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
Exactly. This has nothing to do with oil or troops in Saudi Arabia but rather what they represent. They resent that their culture is not the dominant culture on this planet politically, economically and militarily.
So "'They Hate Us Because of Our Freedom'? 
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Originally Posted by TheWOAT
So "'They Hate Us Because of Our Freedom'?
Essentially, yes.
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Originally Posted by aristotles
This shows that you do not understand what is going on. They want to destroy or convert the west. It just so happens that the US is the biggest target. I guess you forgot about the teens that were arrested in Toronto? That group was associated with Al-Qaeda.
This is a clash of cultures. You are trying to view them through western eyes and you assume they can be reasoned with. Muslims in the middle east have a different sense of right and wrong and honour. I'm not just talking about extremists.
All those rules of engagement, chivalry and honour which are understood by western and Asian cultures are completely alien to the Muslim cultures of the middle east.
In addition to what you've said here it's important that people realize this.
Neither Mexico nor Canada nor the UK nor Australia nor India nor Europe can stand up to global jihad (or CALCIUM = Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Belarus President Lukashenko, Castro and International Ummah of jihadist Muslims).
The enemies of freedom realize that for their plans to succeed the US must be neutralized.
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Originally Posted by marden
In addition to what you've said here it's important that people realize this.
Neither Mexico nor Canada nor the UK nor Australia nor India nor Europe can stand up to global jihad (or CALCIUM = Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Belarus President Lukashenko, Castro and International Ummah of jihadist Muslims).
The enemies of freedom realize that for their plans to succeed the US must be neutralized.
Wow. Freedom looks like some lonely thing in the night!
But I agree. Only in America can we find Freedom, the way marden understands it.
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Originally Posted by marden
Hey now!
Hey, NO!
I'm hoping to prod some of the Muslims here to take up the cause of freedom, liberty, democracy and the American way.
If the "American Way" is to compare Jihad with Mein Kampf you can kindly language.
(Last edited by vmarks; Nov 18, 2006 at 07:52 PM.
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