[marden]

Fun Poll #3 Do You Want War With Iran?

This isn't a fun subject, but it should be a fun poll because there is no need to think about it or argue or debate.

And I think it is important that all the posters here understand what is beyond our statements, bombast or rhetoric.

Speaking from my heart, I do not want war with anyone. But I would support a war to prevent the destruction of Israel, Iran's getting nukes or the conquest of America or any of the free world or to deny us oil or other natural resources.

There are only Yes or No options.

[black bear theory]

great, another oil war... (we don't technically get oil from iran, but with the fungibility of the oil market, we can get it from someone who gets it from iran. so their withholding any oil is, in fact, a threat to us.)

since ahmenijad has already threatened "the destruction of israel" (one of your "yes" stipulations) and you believe this is an authentic threat, does your no vote make sense?

i voted no.

[marden]

Originally Posted by black bear theory 

great, another oil war... (we don't technically get oil from iran, but with the fungibility of the oil market, we can get it from someone who gets it from iran. so their withholding any oil is, in fact, a threat to us.)

since ahmenijad has already threatened "the destruction of israel" (one of your "yes" stipulations) and you believe this is an authentic threat, does your no vote make sense?

i voted no.

I hope he will back down from his boast. If he will give up the quest for nuclear weapons then it would be a step back from Armageddon as far as I'm concerned.

But no matter what happens I hope that you are clear about the fact that Americans and the President do not want war with Iran. But we will take action to prevent an unacceptable scenario which would only mean war anyway but one which guarantees Israel's destruction. If there would be war by waiting for Iran to nuke Israel let there be war but with Israel spared.

And to those who believe Israel can take care of itself, remember WE are the GREAT Satan. Israel is only a bump in the road before they get to us.

[tie]

I voted yes. We clearly made a mistake attacking Iraq, but it's easy to confuse the two countries since their names are practically the same and they are right next door (or close by, anyway, probably).

The Iraq war reminds me of the mars mission where NASA engineers forgot to convert from imperial to metric units and the mission was lost. Oops! Same deal with Iraq/Iran probably. Happens to everybody once in a while. Next time we should get it right, though.

BTW, marden, what happened to Fun Poll #2?

[marden]

Originally Posted by tie 

I voted yes. We clearly made a mistake attacking Iraq, but it's easy to confuse the two countries since their names are practically the same and they are right next door (or close by, anyway, probably).

The Iraq war reminds me of the mars mission where NASA engineers forgot to convert from imperial to metric units and the mission was lost. Oops! Same deal with Iraq/Iran probably. Happens to everybody once in a while. Next time we should get it right, though.

BTW, marden, what happened to Fun Poll #2?

It's in the main lounge.

http://forums.macnn.com/89/macnn-lou...2-when-do-you/

[Kevin]

Well atleast some people were honest.

I wonder if they would have voted the same way had you been able to see the person who voted for what.

[Dakar²]

I voted no. No one should want a war with Iran. It should be our last measure and done out of necessity.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Kevin 

Well atleast some people were honest.

I wonder if they would have voted the same way had you been able to see the person who voted for what.

I was watching the Ted Koppel special on Iran and it struck me that there are some people who really seem to have the mistaken belief that our President wants war. And then it struck me that some people might have the mistaken belief that most or some of the posters here want war with Iran. I wanted the poll to be confidential so that the real feelings would be expressed.

I think it is important that there be a clear understanding.

By both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Just curious and thinking out loud:

When and where have you seen any of our Muslim posters mention their sect? In the news we all have learned that there are Sunni and Shiite Muslims.

But as far as our discussions here are concerned Muslims are monolithic. Just Muslim. And the nations of origin which always seems to become part of any discussion or issue in the news is also avoided here. Anyone ever wonder why?

Anyone ever wonder why no one has ever volunteered this information?

[faragbre967]

Who voted yes?

I'm all for protecting and expanding US interests locally and abroad but not through war. War means dead children, innocents caught in crossfire, dead troops and billions of tax dollars spent. War is always the last answer, even if you're a hawk.

[faragbre967]

Originally Posted by marden 

I was watching the Ted Koppel special on Iran and it struck me that there are some people who really seem to have the mistaken belief that our President wants war. And then it struck me that some people might have the mistaken belief that most or some of the posters here want war with Iran. I wanted the poll to be confidential so that the real feelings would be expressed.

I think it is important that there be a clear understanding.

By both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Just curious and thinking out loud:

When and where have you seen any of our Muslim posters mention their sect? In the news we all have learned that there are Sunni and Shiite Muslims.

But as far as our discussions here are concerned Muslims are monolithic. Just Muslim. And the nations of origin which always seems to become part of any discussion or issue in the news is also avoided here. Anyone ever wonder why?

Anyone ever wonder why no one has ever volunteered this information?

I also just watched that special on Iran. I thought it was really well done and showed Iran as the country it really is. Seeing actual footage of the crowds shouting "Death to America! Death to Israel!" makes you see what it really is; just a bunch of people yelling things they don't believe. No one in the crowd even sort of looked enthusiastic about it.

Anyone else see this special?

[marden]

Originally Posted by faragbre967 

Who voted yes?

I'm all for protecting and expanding US interests locally and abroad but not through war. War means dead children, innocents caught in crossfire, dead troops and billions of tax dollars spent. War is always the last answer, even if you're a hawk.

I voted no.

[marden]

Originally Posted by faragbre967 

I also just watched that special on Iran. I thought it was really well done and showed Iran as the country it really is. Seeing actual footage of the crowds shouting "Death to America! Death to Israel!" makes you see what it really is; just a bunch of people yelling things they don't believe. No one in the crowd even sort of looked enthusiastic about it.

Anyone else see this special?

That is ONE way to interpret it.

How would you interpret the children on their first day of school being taught by rote, "Death to America" ?

[Spliffdaddy]

I think the US should invade Iran in order to send a message to all the doubters. Keep the world guessing - never be predictable.

The USA doesn't act militarily based on world opinion.

[tie]

Originally Posted by faragbre967 

Who voted yes?

I'm all for protecting and expanding US interests locally and abroad but not through war. War means dead children, innocents caught in crossfire, dead troops and billions of tax dollars spent. War is always the last answer, even if you're a hawk.

Where have you been? War never has been the last answer, and never will be. War means innocents caught in the crossfire? Profits for Halliburton is more like it.

War with Iran will boost the US economy, and allow us to dole out more no-bid contracts to reward political supporters.

[marden]

Originally Posted by tie 

Where have you been? War never has been the last answer, and never will be. War means innocents caught in the crossfire? Profits for Halliburton is more like it.

War with Iran will boost the US economy, and allow us to dole out more no-bid contracts to reward political supporters.

Why don't you start yourself a business so you can have a healthy relationship with capitalism and stop thinking it's the devil?

And sadly, sometimes war IS the answer. The only answer left.

[faragbre967]

Originally Posted by tie 

Where have you been? War never has been the last answer, and never will be. War means innocents caught in the crossfire? Profits for Halliburton is more like it.

War with Iran will boost the US economy, and allow us to dole out more no-bid contracts to reward political supporters.

Have you ever seen Lord of War? Your post reminded me of that movie.

As for the kids chanting Death to America; I wanted to be a Power Ranger when I was that young... It's never too late to open diplomatic talks in an effort to avoid war.

[Atomic Rooster]

I think the U.S. should invade Ft. Lauderdale. We need more wet t-shirt contests.

[invisibleX]

I love you conditions:

We should attack if they attack our allies (good)

We should attack if they gain nukes (still not bad)

We should attack if they have something we want and won't give it.

[mac128k-1984]

What, are you insane, war in iran. Look at the mess we are in over iraq and you want a fun poll regarding war in iran. I think fun polls about war do a disservice to all of the soldiers who died in Iraq.

Invading another country to install a different form of government is never the answer and it always creates strife and resistance.

There were other diplomatic solutions that we as a country could have pursued in iraq and I think (at least hope) this administration has learned its lesson and will use dipolmacy as opposed to a gun barrel.

Besides our troops are stretched so thin (iraq, afghanistan) and the trouple rumbling in North Korea means that Iran is in no danger of being invaded.

[marden]

Originally Posted by invisibleX 

I love you conditions:

We should attack if they attack our allies (good)

We should attack if they gain nukes (still not bad)

We should attack if they have something we want and won't give it.

Wouldn't those be more like, "I attack you" conditions? Not "I love you" conditions!

We should attack if they have something we want and won't give it.

I get the first two conditions, and I agree. But where does this one apply???

[marden]

Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 

What, are you insane, war in iran. Look at the mess we are in over iraq and you want a fun poll regarding war in iran. I think fun polls about war do a disservice to all of the soldiers who died in Iraq.

Invading another country to install a different form of government is never the answer and it always creates strife and resistance.

There were other diplomatic solutions that we as a country could have pursued in iraq and I think (at least hope) this administration has learned its lesson and will use dipolmacy as opposed to a gun barrel.

Besides our troops are stretched so thin (iraq, afghanistan) and the trouple rumbling in North Korea means that Iran is in no danger of being invaded.

Calm down and read the O.P.

Originally Posted by marden 

Fun Poll #3 Do You Want War With Iran?

This isn't a fun subject, but it should be a fun poll because there is no need to think about it or argue or debate.

And I think it is important that all the posters here understand what is beyond our statements, bombast or rhetoric.

Speaking from my heart, I do not want war with anyone. But I would support a war to prevent the destruction of Israel, Iran's getting nukes or the conquest of America or any of the free world or to deny us oil or other natural resources.

There are only Yes or No options.

[mac128k-1984]

Originally Posted by marden 

Calm down and read the O.P.

I'm calm and I did

[Tuoder]

We are already spread too thin. War in Iran means either A.failure or B.draft.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by marden 

There are only Yes or No options.

In the words of Yoda: "That is why you fail."

[invisibleX]

Originally Posted by marden 

Wouldn't those be more like, "I attack you" conditions? Not "I love you" conditions!


I get the first two conditions, and I agree. But where does this one apply???

Spelling mistake. I was just making light if your statement that you would support war if they tried to "deny us oil or other natural resources".

On the other hand I almost entirely agree with you. In fact I might go as far as to say I support war on Iran if only to depose the current unstable and unhealthy regime. Despite that this is virtually impossible (war on Iran that is) I do think ahmenijad needs to meet with an unfortunate accident. Perhaps falling down on elevator shaft onto some bullets? One might say I'm a hypocrite opposing heavy handed action in one place and supporting assassination in another. I'm not going to explain myself. Partly because I don't have time, partly because the reasons are obvious.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I voted Yes. Just because I want to see abemardeneen drafted.

greg