[Macrobat]

How many complete drama queens in this day and age keep playing the "Nazi" card.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...7/nislam17.xml


If anyone who spouts this moronic crap had anything ressembling a clue what living in the actual Third Reich was like, they would realize how utterly laughable all these claims of "Nazi" and "fascism" are today.

[Dakar²]

Bemuse or amuse?

[Sayf-Allah]

Don't see much wrong with what he said. Sure, some of you will say everything is perfect in the West. Then go on and say if you don't like it move back to the ME. And then continue the same "guilty by association" line you've been keeping up since 9/11.

Best part of that article was the following though IMO.

"Mr Bari ended his speech by calling for a "social contract", officially defining the "rights and obligations" of every British citizen. He hoped this would help Muslims who are unsure of what the Government means when it asks them to "integrate" into society."

[Sky Captain]

But the Jews weren't expolding in resturants and busses.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

But the Jews weren't expolding in resturants and busses.

From my post above:

Don't see much wrong with what he said. Sure, some of you will say everything is perfect in the West. Then go on and say if you don't like it move back to the ME. And then continue the same "guilty by association" line you've been keeping up since 9/11.

[Sky Captain]

Before 9/11 BTW. Long before.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Before 9/11 BTW. Long before.

I never met a person who called me a terrorist before 9/11.

[Sky Captain]

Sounds like an image/public relations problem.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Sounds like an image/public relations problem.

In what way?

[Macrobat]

Color me shocked, Sayf Allah sees no problem with a Muslim calling a Western Democracy Nazist.

As an aside, why don't you simply make a generic post saying "I agree with everything this Muslim says" so you can save all of us the reading time?

And yes, Dakar, I meant bemused, I am decidedly NOT amused.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

And yes, Dakar, I meant bemused, I am decidedly NOT amused.

Alright, cause I'm confused from you calling their claims 'utterly laughable'.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Color me shocked, Sayf Allah sees no problem with a Muslim calling a Western Democracy Nazist.

As an aside, why don't you simply make a generic post saying "I agree with everything this Muslim says" so you can save all of us the reading time?

Could you show me where he said that please? Because I (and those who wrote that article) seem to have missed that part of his speech.

Thanks.

[Macrobat]

bemused

adjective
1. deeply absorbed in thought; "as distant and bemused as a professor listening to the prattling of his freshman class"; "lost in thought"; "a preoccupied frown"
2. perplexed by many conflicting situations or statements; filled with bewilderment; "obviously bemused by his questions"; "bewildered and confused"; "a cloudy and confounded philosopher"; "just a mixed-up kid"; "she felt lost on the first day of school"

laugh�a�ble (lāf'ə-bəl, lä'fə-) Pronunciation Key
adj. Causing or deserving laughter or derision.

Note the bolded portions.

[Macrobat]

I would have a better chance of showing where you hadn't said it, no matter the context, in multiple threads.

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

I never met a person who called me a terrorist before 9/11.

Why would someone call you a terrorist?

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

I would have a better chance of showing where you hadn't said it, no matter the context, in multiple threads.

Answer the question please.

[Macrobat]

Already did. What's more, you know it.

Sure, you expressed agreement with the "adapt or go home" sentiment. You still felt the need to quantify, tho.

I will have to admit that you are nowhere near as bad about it as you used to be, tho.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Why would someone call you a terrorist?

You'd have to ask them that.

Perhaps you could start with yourself? Because the first thing you did in this thread was to blame Muslims for the discriminating laws put in place. Even if you didn't say that I'm a terrorism you were saying I'm responsible for the terrorism. If you know what I mean.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Already did. What's more, you know it.

So you won't show me where in his speech he "called a Western Democracy Nazist."?

[Macrobat]

Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression you could read.

In a presentation to MPs, Mr Bari went so far as to ask: "What is the degree of xenophobia that tipped Germany in the 1930s towards a murderous ethnic and cultural racism?"

His comments have drawn criticism from Jewish leaders, angry at what they believe is a "crass" comparison.

Jon Benjamin, the chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, said: "To try to recast modern Britain as equivalent to Nazi Germany is equally offensive and disingenuous, but also dangerous in that it will fuel alienation and anger, particularly at a time when conciliation is vital."

[olePigeon]

Bari was expressing an obvious concern with demonizing a group of people. The U.S. used the same scare tactics with Japanese citizens as the Nazis did with the Jews. Now we're starting to see it with Muslims.

Bari is asking that people remain vigilant because it's happening again.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Oh, I'm sorry. I was under the impression you could read.

I read that. And it's pretty clear what he means. Read it again and try to understand what he is asking/saying. Try reading it and imagine it's a snow-white, blond and blue eyed Republican that says it. Instead of "an Evil Muslim hellbent on global Jihad".

Try that and see if you understand it better.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Bari was expressing an obvious concern with demonizing a group of people. The U.S. used the same scare tactics with Japanese citizens as the Nazis did with the Jews. Now we're starting to see it with Muslims.

Bari is asking that people remain vigilant because it's happening again.

Umm, that's BS olePigeon. I am good friends with a Holocaust survivor; I am helping her transcribe her notes for a book. And if you think the U.S. did the same thing to the Japanese as the Nazis did to the Jews, you're very much misinformed. Japanese internment was not a nice thing, but it certainly was nothing compared to the concentration camps. Furthermore, I've never heard of Muslims being denounced by American officials or rounded up in America. Lefties have such a hate-on for America they lose essentially all sense.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Bari was expressing an obvious concern with demonizing a group of people. The U.S. used the same scare tactics with Japanese citizens as the Nazis did with the Jews. Now we're starting to see it with Muslims.

Bari is asking that people remain vigilant because it's happening again.

[Macrobat]

Well, NOT blue-eyed, NOT a Republican - so save your "stereotype" meme for yourself - how 'bout it?

Sorry, but anyone with English compreshension knows PRECISELY what he meant, as obviously indicated by Jon Benjamin's statement I also included in the quote.

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

You'd have to ask them that.

Perhaps you could start with yourself? Because the first thing you did in this thread was to blame Muslims for the discriminating laws put in place. Even if you didn't say that I'm a terrorism you were saying I'm responsible for the terrorism. If you know what I mean.

You wanna catch fish.
Fish in a lake where there's fish.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Umm, that's BS olePigeon. I am good friends with a Holocaust survivor; I am helping her transcribe her notes for a book. And if you think the U.S. did the same thing to the Japanese as the Nazis did to the Jews, you're very much misinformed. Japanese internment was not a nice thing, but it certainly was nothing compared to the concentration camps. Furthermore, I've never heard of Muslims being rounded up in America today.

Do all of you have a problem with understanding what you read?

olePigeon never said that the US did the same to Japanese people as the Nazis did to the Jews. He said the used the same scare tactics.

Notice the difference?

[Sky Captain]

No one mentions the German camps in Texas and Georgia during WW1.
My family had a choice to go kill their families or be interned.

All these internments were signed by which party?

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Well, NOT blue-eyed, NOT a Republican - so save your "stereotype" meme for yourself - how 'bout it?

Again, read and try to understand what you just read? mkay? I never said you were a blue-eyed Republican.

Sorry, but anyone with English compreshension knows PRECISELY what he meant, as obviously indicated by Jon Benjamin's statement I also included in the quote.

He seems to have misunderstood exactly as you did.

He was simply asking what he was asking. And why? Simply to try to wake the MP's up to prevent Britain reaching that point at some point in the future.

Notice the difference in that and in what you claim he is saying?

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

olePigeon never said that the US did the same to Japanese people as the Nazis did to the Jews. He said the used the same scare tactics.

 
Yes, I did read it, and it's very much false. Government officials aren't using scare-tactics to galvanize Americans to discriminate against Muslims. Muslims aren't seeing anti-Islam or anti-Muslim propaganda emanating from all kinds of sources. And Muslims aren't seeing any of the same consequences. It's a false charge.

[Macrobat]

No one misunderstood. Here, I'll use small words:

WHAT was the "future" for the Germans in the 1930's?


THAT is the point.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

You wanna catch fish.
Fish in a lake where there's fish.

So you think it's perfectly fine if I had problems getting on planes? That my freedom of speech is restricted? That I'm constantly told to "integrate" better into society?

The list goes on but I can't be bothered mentioning all the various laws especially targeting Muslims that have been put in place or are being written at this moment.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Yes, I did read it, and it's very much false. Government officials aren't using scare-tactics to galvanize Americans to discriminate against Muslims. Muslims aren't seeing anti-Islam or anti-Muslim propaganda emanating from all kinds of sources. And Muslims aren't seeing any of the same consequences. It's a false charge.

In your opinion.

We, Muslims, are seeing it. Whether you accept that or not doesn't make it any less real.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

No one misunderstood. Here, I'll use small words:

WHAT was the "future" for the Germans in the 1930's?


THAT is the point.

That's his point! In the future this might happen!

And that is not what you said in your post!

Originally Posted by Macrobat

Color me shocked, Sayf Allah sees no problem with a Muslim calling a Western Democracy Nazist.

Notice the difference? Or are you going to change your argument just a little bit more?

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

In your opinion.

We, Muslims, are seeing it. Whether you accept that or not doesn't make it any less real.

What exactly are you seeing?

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

What exactly are you seeing?

Again, read and the try to understand what you just read. I'll give you a hint.

Originally Posted by Big Mac

Government officials aren't using scare-tactics to galvanize Americans to discriminate against Muslims. Muslims aren't seeing anti-Islam or anti-Muslim propaganda emanating from all kinds of sources.

I answered:

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah

We, Muslims, are seeing it.

I'll even give you one more hint. There are more countries than the US in this world.

Figure it out.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

Again, read and the try to understand what you just read. I'll give you a hint.

I answered:

Figure it out.

And I asked for specifics. Show me a news story that supports your contention. I trust you cannot do so. The allegation is false. American officials, most notably the president, have exclaimed Islam to be a religion of peace. Show me your proof.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Macrobat 

Sorry, but anyone with English compreshension knows PRECISELY what he meant, as obviously indicated by Jon Benjamin's statement I also included in the quote.

Speaking of reading comprehension (obviously misunderstood by Mr. Benjamin, no disrespect):

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Umm, that's BS olePigeon. I am good friends with a Holocaust survivor; I am helping her transcribe her notes for a book. And if you think the U.S. did the same thing to the Japanese as the Nazis did to the Jews, you're very much misinformed. Japanese internment was not a nice thing, but it certainly was nothing compared to the concentration camps.

I never said anything of the sort. This was not a comparison of any of the atrocities the Nazis did, much less between the concentration camps and the internment camps.

This was about the scare tactis, the FUD, the misinformation regarding the culture of certain peoples to fuel ignorance and eventual hatred towards them.

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Furthermore, I've never heard of Muslims being denounced by American officials or rounded up in America.

You're right, they're rounded up in Guantanamo.

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Lefties have such a hate-on for America they lose essentially all sense.

I think it has more to do with the righties having the reading comprehension of a 3-year-old with ADD.

[Sayf-Allah]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

And I asked for specifics. Show me a news story that supports your contention. I trust you cannot do so. The allegation is false. American officials, most notably the president, have exclaimed Islam to be a religion of peace. Show me your proof.

If you want to wait (and perhaps remind me of that) until after the solstice celebrations I'm more than willing to do that. Going on holiday in in a few minutes.

But I'm also absolutely sure that no matter what I do you will twist it and/or ignore it. So why should I spend my time doing that?

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Sayf-Allah 

So you think it's perfectly fine if I had problems getting on planes? That my freedom of speech is restricted? That I'm constantly told to "integrate" better into society?

The list goes on but I can't be bothered mentioning all the various laws especially targeting Muslims that have been put in place or are being written at this moment.

So you want to remain seperate from society?
OK I can deal with that.

And freedom of speech ends when it tramples others rights.

Probelms getting on planes? You know LOTS of people and not just "Muslims"(I think you mean Arabic people) have problems. Especially when they do something to cause alarm in an airport.
Drunk and unruy, uncooperative are a few examples.
Hell, even I have been detained and questioned.

Laws target SPECIFICLY Muslims?
This I do not believe.
Nowhere, I mean nowhere is anyone asked their religious afilliation for an airline ticket.
Islam is not the next Holocaust


I'm to understand that the actions of a few are affecting the lives of many.
And that this came about after 9/11
I say it's been brewing LONG before 9/11.
When the actions of a few are supported by a large faction of religious terrorists,
don't whine because the people that are told to keep us safe can't tell the peacful from the dangerous. The 9/11 hijackers all looked peacful to me.

There's really no debate as to why profiling is happening.
There is a debate to deny Islam and Arabic looking people have an image problem.


Enjoy your holiday.
I too will celebrate the Winter Solstice.

[vmarks]

You know, in this guy's eagerness to pretend that the UK is heading towards anything remotely comparable to Nazi-ism, he makes a mistake:

Jews are attacked four times as much as Muslims.

And furthermore, in this person's rush to make the comparison that Muslims are the new Jews, he forgets that he encouraged a boycott of the Holocaust memorial, and in so doing, dishonored the memory of real Jews who were murdered by Nazis.

He also defended the council’s controversial decision to boycott Holocaust Memorial Day. ...

“The MCB would be honoured to participate in such a commemoration provided it gave equal respect to the innocent victims of all genocides around the world. But we cannot accept that some people are more worthy of remembrance than others purely on the basis of their religion.”

Or because that's actually the history that happened. It isn't 'genocide memorial day' - it's Holocaust memorial day, a day of remembrance of what Nazi Germany did. But that doesn't fit with what the MCB wants people to remember, as they're busily trying to paint themselves as representing victims.


As for Sayf-Allah, he threatened myself and other members of this forum. He's been banned for it in the past and came back under another name and made new threats. He also had a signature which in the green color used frequently by Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and it declared "support our troops" accompanied by arabic text. For him to question why people might ever for a second entertain the thought that he might support terrorists is simply him being intentionally obtuse. Perhaps he does, perhaps he doesn't, but it is he who made the question a reasonable one to ask.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Umm, that's BS olePigeon. I am good friends with a Holocaust survivor; I am helping her transcribe her notes for a book. And if you think the U.S. did the same thing to the Japanese as the Nazis did to the Jews, you're very much misinformed. Japanese internment was not a nice thing, but it certainly was nothing compared to the concentration camps. Furthermore, I've never heard of Muslims being denounced by American officials or rounded up in America. Lefties have such a hate-on for America they lose essentially all sense.

Intelligence estimates in 2002 held that there were as many as 5,000 al Qaeda terrorists and supporters in the United States. However, a secret FBI report in 2005 wistfully noted that although the bureau had managed to arrest a few bad guys here and there after more than three years of intense and well-funded hunting, it had been unable to identify a single true al Qaeda sleeper cell anywhere in the country. Thousands of people in the United States have had their overseas communications monitored under a controversial warrantless surveillance program. Of these, fewer than ten U.S. citizens or residents per year have aroused enough suspicion to impel the agencies spying on them to seek warrants authorizing surveillance of their domestic communications as well; none of this activity, it appears, has led to an indictment on any charge whatever.

In addition to massive eavesdropping and detention programs, every year some 30,000 "national security letters" are issued without judicial review, forcing businesses and other institutions to disclose confidential information about their customers without telling anyone they have done so. That process has generated thousands of leads that, when pursued, have led nowhere. Some 80,000 Arab and Muslim immigrants have been subjected to fingerprinting and registration, another 8,000 have been called in for interviews with the FBI, and over 5,000 foreign nationals have been imprisoned in initiatives designed to prevent terrorism. This activity, notes the Georgetown University law professor David Cole, has not resulted in a single conviction for a terrorist crime. In fact, only a small number of people picked up on terrorism charges -- always to great official fanfare -- have been convicted at all, and almost all of these convictions have been for other infractions, particularly immigration violations. Some of those convicted have clearly been mental cases or simply flaunting jihadist bravado -- rattling on about taking down the Brooklyn Bridge with a blowtorch, blowing up the Sears Tower if only they could get to Chicago, beheading the prime minister of Canada, or flooding lower Manhattan by somehow doing something terrible to one of those tunnels.

greg

[Sky Captain]

Again, the Jews never flew planes into buildings, or attempt to blow up a buiding.
Or explode in public places like buses and tunnels...

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain 

Again, the Jews never flew planes into buildings, or attempt to blow up a buiding.
Or explode in public places like buses and tunnels...

You may wish to modify that a bit.

Never did suicide bombing as a policy, but there have been 2 lone nutcases in the past 60 years that did it of their own accord.

Did bomb the King David Hotel, gave 30 minutes prior warning, and as it was a military base, it was a legitimate target.

But that's about it.

[Sky Captain]

Well let me clarify my statement.

In the 1930's Jews didn't blow up.
Or fly planes into buildings, or behead innocent contractors.