[besson3c]

So, what are your predictions of what might happen politically within this country if there is no significant improvement in the situation on the ground in Iraq within a few months?

[Zeeb]

My dream? Impeachment and a further weakening of the "war party".

However, if there is no improvement either there will be a successful campaign to spend even more money and send even more troops or enormous public pressure to pull out altogether and let the Iraq collapse. Though Iran might step in afterward and create the Islamic republic that Bush claimed he was trying to avoid. What an idiot he is.

[Railroader]

besson3c: Your thread title is deceptive. It doesn't have anything to do with what you wrote in your first post.

[Face Ache]

29% of Americans believe they're winning the war in Iraq. According to the population clock that works out to 87,278,391 people (including children).

In July Iraq had a total population of 26,783,383 but the figure is probably several thousand less today. Half are children, many support the US and there are 125,000 trained Iraqi security forces (according to C.Rice).

Therefore if the US war supporters went and fought this war they could TOTALLY kick ass (according to the numbers).

So open up the army to the volunteers who want to fight for freedom and send them to Iraq. It'll take some cash, but the war could be over by Easter.

Isn't that what happened in WWII?

spacefreak, are ya with me?

[ironknee]

did it really take 3 years to figure out that if you clear a section and then move on, the evil doers might come back afterwards like rats?

i thought this was bush's christian's version of hail mary. but a "limited draft" might be his real last shot.

remember bush still has a lot of time left...august is a long time from now

i feel sorry for him...but i wonder how many hard core bush supporters on here can see that he's not what they thought he was and he made mistakes....or is it still clinton's fault?

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

i thought this was bush's christian's version of hail mary. but a "limited draft" might be his real last shot.

No, not a limited draft. The Dems would never go for that.

A volunteer army of war supporters.

If they win they get a victory parade and the next few elections.

[tie]

Not everyone can join the army, for various reasons. I suggest that everyone who supports or supported the war, and can't join the army, instead go do community service in Baghdad for the next two or three years. In fact, every representative who voted for this war, Republican or Democrat, should be forced to go do community service.

[bojangles]

Whether or not you agree with the nation’s reasons for going to war in the first place, the unfortunate truth is that this war is a necessary evil, at this point. The way I see it, we’ve got two options:

1) Keep it up until some kind of resolution is reached

2) Leave Iraq to the Iraqis, thus plunging them deeper into a civil war.

The problem with the former is that Americans will keep dying for a cause that most Americans think is unjust (although admittedly, the people that are actually in Iraq think that the American public is totally out of touch).

The problem with the latter is that the Iraqi government can’t handle the opposition with our help. Without it, the civil war will completely degenerate and al Qaeda will do what they do best: step into the middle of a civil war and train up a few million more recruits.

Like it or not, we’ve got to see this through. We didn’t lose Vietnam because we had an inferior military; we lost Vietnam because the public didn’t support it, so the politicians slapped all sorts of ridiculous restrictions on the military. If we fail in Iraq, it’ll be for the same reason.

War sucks, and it would obviously be better if it didn’t exist. The problem is we’re choosing between two evils: a few thousand more military losses while we finish freeing Iraq, or a few million more civilian losses, the next time al Qaeda attacks the U.S.—and absolutely nothing to show for it.

Just my 2¢….

[Face Ache]

^ I agree completely. The only question is who is going to do the fighting? We can't keep sending the same troops over and over. How many turns at Russian Roulette do they get?

The immediate problem isn't the current situation in Iraq, but where the new troops come from. If there were long queues of war supporters begging to get into Iraq we wouldn't be talking about getting out, would we?

So who's going to sign up? Where are the war supporters? Are they waiting for a draft? Do they want to fight alongside drafted hippies? It won't end well.

[spacefreak]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

No, not a limited draft. The Dems would never go for that.

A volunteer army of war supporters.

That's what we pretty much have.

Knowing that we are in a war (and have been since 2002), plenty of people still volunteer for military service. We've met most of our recruiting goals time and again. So what you're calling for is already in effect.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

29% of Americans believe they're winning the war in Iraq. According to the population clock that works out to 87,278,391 people (including children).

In July Iraq had a total population of 26,783,383 but the figure is probably several thousand less today. Half are children, many support the US and there are 125,000 trained Iraqi security forces (according to C.Rice).

Therefore if the US war supporters went and fought this war they could TOTALLY kick ass (according to the numbers).

So open up the army to the volunteers who want to fight for freedom and send them to Iraq. It'll take some cash, but the war could be over by Easter.

Isn't that what happened in WWII?

spacefreak, are ya with me?

Now THERE's an idea.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by spacefreak 

That's what we pretty much have.

Knowing that we are in a war (and have been since 2002), plenty of people still volunteer for military service. We've met most of our recruiting goals time and again. So what you're calling for is already in effect.

Nonsense...and you miss the point.

He's suggesting that all the people who support this war put their money where their mouths are and sign-up.

But as to the B.S. conservative refrain that we've "met most of our recruiting goals time and again," let's be straight, shall we? We've "met" recruiting goals in the other branches, sure, because they're not in harms way and not under nearly as much pressure as the army. The army has come close to meeting its goals by lowering its standards and by shelling out unprecedented bonuses and by using unprecedented investment in recruiting. We've kept those recruiting goals lower than they needed to be by sending in reservists and national guardsmen in an under-handed back-door draft.

What he's calling for is for every American who has sat back and ra-ra'ed Bush and his cronies on in this fool's errand in Iraq to stand up and take responsibility for your support of what was to many of us a so obviously flawed foreign policy agenda. Go put YOUR life on the line to stabilize Iraq since it was your political will that it be destabilized in the first place.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by bojangles 

Whether or not you agree with the nation’s reasons for going to war in the first place, the unfortunate truth is that this war is a necessary evil, at this point. The way I see it, we’ve got two options:

1) Keep it up until some kind of resolution is reached

2) Leave Iraq to the Iraqis, thus plunging them deeper into a civil war.

The problem with the former is that Americans will keep dying for a cause that most Americans think is unjust (although admittedly, the people that are actually in Iraq think that the American public is totally out of touch).

The problem with the latter is that the Iraqi government can’t handle the opposition with our help. Without it, the civil war will completely degenerate and al Qaeda will do what they do best: step into the middle of a civil war and train up a few million more recruits.

Like it or not, we’ve got to see this through. We didn’t lose Vietnam because we had an inferior military; we lost Vietnam because the public didn’t support it, so the politicians slapped all sorts of ridiculous restrictions on the military. If we fail in Iraq, it’ll be for the same reason.

War sucks, and it would obviously be better if it didn’t exist. The problem is we’re choosing between two evils: a few thousand more military losses while we finish freeing Iraq, or a few million more civilian losses, the next time al Qaeda attacks the U.S.—and absolutely nothing to show for it.

Just my 2¢….

Ok, here's the deal.

We won the Iraq War.

It's over.

We are not fighting a war right now. Maybe Americans could deal with this situation we've created more realistically if we took the time to understand what is going on.

The war is over. No one with any sense doubted that we could win the war. What the people with no sense making the decision to start the war didn't consider is how hard it would be to stabilize the country afterward.

At the beginning, it was going to be difficult. After years of mismanagement, it now is going to be nearly impossible to stabilize this country. I agree with your two points. We broke it, it's our responsibility. But I'm largely resigned to the fact that the fickle American public has lost the will to deal with this mess anylonger. Maybe if the so-called liberal media would cooperate with the Republicans and shut up about what's going on over there or highlight all the positive things happening in Iraq (you know, the 4-square miles of the green zone or the virtually uninhabited outlying regions that are not in the grip of civil strife) then this might become another Korea--a forgotten war.

That's not going to happen, though, and so America will have another national shame to someday come to grips with. This is how my kids will learn about it when they go to high school: We invaded Iraq without provocation. The country fell into a civil war which worsened when America withdrew in 200?. Eventually, an Iran-friendly Shia state strengthened the anti-U.S. coalition of nations in the Gulf region.

Those lines are already written...Sad.

[tie]

It is impossible. We can't send five times as many troops as we have there now. We don't have the troops, and we don't have the money. The war is already estimated as costing $1-2 trillion.

Moreover, the current leadership has proven its incredible incompetence and I think it is therefore impossible to obtain a victory unless the leadership resigns, or until after the next election.

So given all that, what should we do now? Bush is completely ignoring all the Iraq Study Group recommendations, and the outcome of the election. He won't listen to anyone who isn't in Disneyland.

Therefore, I think Congress should do whatever it can to stop his idiocy. Cut funding, get Americans out. Americans have been dying for the last three years because of Bush's incompetence and lies, and enough is enough. They shouldn't be dying for the next two years.

[tie]

spacefreak, if you care about the Iraqis, go volunteer. You don't have to join the army, just go do community service in Baghdad neighborhoods. Stay there for the next two years. Have fun -- you might even find those WMD you lied about.

[besson3c]

It's kind of amusing to me how the politicians are going on about the Iraqi government stepping up and performing, which sort of goes against the "you break it, you fix it" idea.

We invade without being asked, and now we are saying "comon dudes, step up your game and take care of business!"... This is one of many reasons why many countries (including non-Arab ones) have significant populations of people that are quite unimpressed with our foreign policy (including policy that pre-dated Bush).

I'm sick of Bush going on and on about how evil and vile the terrorists are without even attempting to educate us as to what fuels their fire. I'm not saying that their behavior is acceptable, I'm just sick of this propaganda and the simpletons that fall for it.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by spacefreak 

That's what we pretty much have.

Knowing that we are in a war (and have been since 2002), plenty of people still volunteer for military service. We've met most of our recruiting goals time and again. So what you're calling for is already in effect.

But doesn't it drive you nuts knowing there must be liberal American women, who disagree with the war, over there fighting it for you? American women on their second or third tours of duty.

Meanwhile, you look great in that cheerleaders outfit.

[Face Ache]

Knitting!

Maybe war supporters could help the war effort by knitting socks for the troops!

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

No, not a limited draft. The Dems would never go for that.

A volunteer army of war supporters.

If they win they get a victory parade and the next few elections.

agreed...so what's left for bush after this surge? maybe a call to arms tv speech asking for volunteers?

[Face Ache]

From what I've gathered from these forums there will be no shortage of volunteers.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by bojangles 

Like it or not, we’ve got to see this through. We didn’t lose Vietnam because we had an inferior military; we lost Vietnam because the public didn’t support it, so the politicians slapped all sorts of ridiculous restrictions on the military. If we fail in Iraq, it’ll be for the same reason.

Do a search for some recent threads on Vietnam and the current war. This idea that the US only lost Vietnam because the public somehow stopped a sure victory has cropped up several times now, and time and time again it's been pointed out the ridiculousness of this argument. Your assertation that the US lost Vietnam because of ridiculous restrictions placed on the military is absolutely effin' stupid. In any case, feel free to browse those threads or revive them, because I won't derail this thread beyond this post, but to somehow blame the public after thirty years of warfare or a military that extensively used chemical weapons and some of the most intense firebombing ever seen on Earth is simply outrageous.

In other news, I think the troop increase is certainly a good thing, but to be perfectly honest I can't see an extra 20,000 troops having a significant impact given the extent of the country's resistance and its support from surrounding countries. If it does not seem to turn things for the better, I get the feeling it will only be more fodder for the Democrats in the upcoming elections.

greg

[Zarqawi's Eye]

fodder for the pigs, indeed

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

But doesn't it drive you nuts knowing there must be liberal American women, who disagree with the war, over there fighting it for you? American women on their second or third tours of duty.

That they did so voluntarily and are standing by their oath? Yes! Are you being sexist and saying women can't fight? Or shouldn't?

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

Meanwhile, you look great in that cheerleaders outfit.

You do realize that you wear one as well? It's just for a different team.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

Knitting!

Maybe war supporters could help the war effort by knitting socks for the troops!

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

So, what are your predictions of what might happen politically within this country if there is no significant improvement in the situation on the ground in Iraq within a few months?

I have a completely different assessment of the situation in Iraq than what I hear the politicians describe in the first place. Sure, if we put in enough security forces in Iraq and turned it into some sort of armed camp, there would be stability.......but for how long? My assessment is that they would return to their natural state of existence once the pressure is gone. If I am wrong, and they do become this peaceful democracy where the people are primarily driven by an interest in making this life for themselves better rather than being primarily driven by their religion (which is not compatible with being primarily interested in making this life better) than this would be a precedent.

We want to believe that the Iraqis that are cooperating with American forces are moderates that will turn Iraq into some sort of peaceful democracy that will be nice trading partners and just be some country doing its own thing and not being a threat to any of its neighbors, ect..........but their cooperation looks more like opportunism to me. They see a way of using American forces to create a construct whereby once the forces are gone, they will be the ones in power instead of their rivals.

It's so obvious to me that we are not all on the same page as far as our starting point in viewing this situation in the first place. We are over there doing things to make life better for Iraqis, thinking that they view their own self interest as being the same as what we view it to be. When we think of what our own best interest is, we are thinking in terms of economics whether we know it or not in my opinion.

We think in terms of meeting our full potential in this lifetime and therefore value building up things like education, power lines, roadways, and other things that make this goal possible. They think of their own self-interest in terms of what they must do in this lifetime in order to be rewarded in the next and that reward requires hating and killing us infidels.

We can't make people stop hating us by pumping money and things into their country that will make their life more comfortable because such comforts is not what drives them in the first place.

A fundamental change in values would have to occur and that kind of change might be possible over a long, long, long time. It's not as if the people there are fundamentally different than we are. I'm sure that if a newborn baby born into Islamic culture was taken out and isolated from it, that it would grow to be a person with a completely different value system. But not without isolating him or her from that kind of constant indoctrination. So the kind of change in Iraq and the rest of the Islamic world that we all wish would happen, is just wishful thinking. It certainly isn't going to happen in the next few months or next few decades and in a world where weapons of mass destruction are being developed and sold to whoever has the money to pay for them and where terrorists can get on an international flight and travel to wherever they want, we don't have the luxury of waiting a few decades. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be in Iraq doing things or that we shouldn't be fighting the war on terror. Terrorism can be fought but it has to be fought from the perspective that we have to do what it takes to protect ourselves, not this ridiculous notion that we can win their hearts and minds by making life better for them.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

That they did so voluntarily and are standing by their oath? Yes! Are you being sexist and saying women can't fight? Or shouldn't?

Are you stupid, or just pretending to be? Is that really your defense as to why you have women fighting for you? Holy cow dude.

You are waiting for a draft, aren't you. Then Canada...

As for me being a cheerleader, hey, I can be encouraged to fight, unlike some people who will sit on their arses, lose a war they courageously voted for and then whine like bitches that "the anti-American Democrats want to stop our war!" while your army lies broken and empty.

I'm just not seeing too many right-wing forum members signing up. I respect the few who have because they have the sense of duty that most of you mother****ers just talk about.

How many tours do your soldiers have to do before you take a turn? I'm surprised you aren't tripping over each other to prove yourselves.

What if they had a war and nobody came?

I might start a poll to find out how gutless y'all are. But then, your brave fightin' words don't match your actions.

[Dale Sorel]

It's gonna happen. Period.

White House: We will send more troops in Iraq

[besson3c]

Bush himself is now admitting that he has made Iraq less safe due to his mistakes.

That clown couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. Is there any wind left in the sails of the staunch Republicans in here? It looks like many of them have split...

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Bush himself is now admitting that he has made Iraq less safe due to his mistakes.

That clown couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. Is there any wind left in the sails of the staunch Republicans in here? It looks like many of them have split...

I noticed Simey lurking a few days ago. He's a military guy. He might be in Iraq.

[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Is there any wind left in the sails of the staunch Republicans in here? It looks like many of them have split...

It's been quiet.

Too quiet.

[Zarqawi's Eye]

They're all out working to support the socialist system the liberals mooch off of.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

They're all out working to support the socialist system the liberals mooch off of.

When all else fails, resort to the old reliable standbys, huh?

[Face Ache]

Hey it's all just a bit of fun, right?

Right?

Here's another newsflash you dopey bastards: Your whole ideology is seriously BENT. When your economy looks like Iraq don't blame the Democrats.

[Zarqawi's Eye]

The yanks just may when the dems repeal tax cuts and reward high school dropouts with a minimum wage hike.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

The yanks just may when the dems repeal tax cuts and reward high school dropouts with a minimum wage hike.

Awesome, another reliable standby.

The left = socialist, like to tax as much as possible... You've touched on two in the list so far, not too shabby!


Are you Spliffdaddy?

[Zarqawi's Eye]

I am indeed a true master of cutting through the smoke and mirrors of the extreme leftist establishment.

Follow my posts closely, and you shall continue to see light.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

I am indeed a true master of cutting through the smoke and mirrors of the extreme leftist establishment.

No dude, you are smoke and mirrors, like many of your kind (and many on the left).

Unfortunately there's a real world out there that doesn't care. Talk **** all you want. The real world will be along shortly.

Now can we get back to the war?

[Zarqawi's Eye]

What kind is that?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

Are you stupid, or just pretending to be? Is that really your defense as to why you have women fighting for you? Holy cow dude.

You are waiting for a draft, aren't you. Then Canada...

As for me being a cheerleader, hey, I can be encouraged to fight, unlike some people who will sit on their arses, lose a war they courageously voted for and then whine like bitches that "the anti-American Democrats want to stop our war!" while your army lies broken and empty.

I'm just not seeing too many right-wing forum members signing up. I respect the few who have because they have the sense of duty that most of you mother****ers just talk about.

How many tours do your soldiers have to do before you take a turn? I'm surprised you aren't tripping over each other to prove yourselves.

What if they had a war and nobody came?

I might start a poll to find out how gutless y'all are. But then, your brave fightin' words don't match your actions.

Looks like I touch a very sensitive nerve. Your insecurity and sexist beliefs are showing.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

Looks like I touch a very sensitive nerve. Your insecurity and sexist beliefs are showing.

Okay, let's assume for a moment that I'm insecure and sexist.

NOW will you fight?

Or do the terrorists have to come to you? I thought you* were fighting them over there so you** don't have to fight them at home. Aren't you in a hurry to end the War on Terror before another bomb goes off at home? Or will that be the "liberals fault"?

Seriously, mate. Grow some 'nads. Go fight the war you started.



*They
**They?

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

Okay, let's assume for a moment that I'm insecure and sexist.

I did that a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

NOW will you fight?

Or do the terrorists have to come to you? I thought you* were fighting them over there so you** don't have to fight them at home. Aren't you in a hurry to end the War on Terror before another bomb goes off at home? Or will that be the "liberals fault"?

Seriously, mate. Grow some 'nads. Go fight the war you started.



*They
**They?

What makes you think I support the war in Iraq? what makes you think I am pro-war? I was simply showing the flaws in your logic. Your sexism and insecurity.

You like using the tough guy jargon and in your face ranting, but I see you as an insecure and sexist person.

A voluntary army does what the officers tell them. If they were drafted, they'd have a right to disobey. But they signed up to do what their leaders tell them to do.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

800,000 Privileged Youths Enlist To Fight In Iraq

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Railroader 

What makes you think I support the war in Iraq? what makes you think I am pro-war? I was simply showing the flaws in your logic. Your sexism and insecurity.

You haven't shown flaws in my logic, but your slip is showing. Rowr.

Originally Posted by Railroader 

You like using the tough guy jargon and in your face ranting, but I see you as an insecure and sexist person.

Jeez fella, on an anger scale of one to ten I'm operating on a two here. "Tough guy jargon and in your face ranting"? Strewth! The army ain't for you, is it? Are my exclamation points too... pointy?

Originally Posted by Railroader 

A voluntary arm does what the officers tell them. If they were drafted, they'd have a right to disobey. But they signed up to do what their leaders tell them to do.

Who are you talking to? Wrong thread?

I'm calling for volunteers. I'd like to know who'd go. This is as good a thread as any:

AT WHAT POINT would you sign up for war? I'm talking to the pro-war people but anyone can join in. When is a war serious enough that it warrants your time?


ps: watching right-wing, pro-war people blaming the Iraqis for not sorting this mess out makes me embarrassed for you. Have you no shame? This ability to bend reality to suit yourselves, while impressive, is damn scary to witness. As long as you all agree with each other, anything goes! Watch out Poland!

[DLQ2006]

Originally Posted by Zarqawi's Eye 

They're all out working to support the socialist system the liberals mooch off of.

LOL...........or actually enjoying life a little. It's lefty that sits on the internet all day talking about how horrible everything is. As a woman, I am a veteran and my husband has been in the military for 10 years and it is by and large, conservatives who join the military. I have yet to meet one single lefty on the issue of national defense, in the military. And I have been affiliated with the military in one way or another for 22 years. It is the conservative members of my family that have fought in past wars, not the whiney liberal ones that spend their time tearing down America. Why do you think it is that the Democrats try so hard to make sure absentee ballots don't get counted? They know which way the military votes and most of the absentee ballots are those from military members not living in their voting districts.

People that come to these message boards often need to get out and actually have some fun instead of spending all their time on internet blogs. It reminds me of a Doctor I know that is a lefty and is so addicted to these blogs that his kids sat there on Christmas morning waiting to open their presents while he was debating on some blog. They waited until 3 pm. That is sick and is an addiction. A while back, when his teen-aged daughter had an abortion and his wife who is a friend of mine handled it all by herself, he dealt with it by debating abortion on the internet. Didn't have time for his daughter, but sat there debating for hours with some total stranger, the issue of abortion. What kind of people have the kind of social interaction skills that they want to spend a lot of time debating on blogs? No matter how much I am concerned about politics and the direction of my country, I will not neglect my family even if it means some jerk thinks he or she got the best of me because I didn't rush back here to respond to every debate I've been involved in.

Reading a political discussion board like this would make someone believe that the opinions and views here are representative of people in general and would lead us to think that most people are left wing, socialist, America bashers but the truth is that these kinds of forums are more attractive to such people because they hate life so much that they don't spend any time enjoying it. People that are truly happy and have a positive outlook on life don't spend all their time doing this. If I ever got to the point that I spent more than a couple hours a week on average debating politics (unless that was my job), I would do some serious thinking about why.

Let lefty dominate the blogosphere and fool him or herself about how many people in the real world really think the same way he or she does. I spend my time with my family doing things like snow-skiing, riding our dirtbikes, riding horses, taking vacations, reading good books, hiking, camping, keeping my house and yard clean, doing homework with my kids, watching them play their sports and perform their various talents, et cetera. IOW: I'm a happy conservative actually enjoying life and I married a good looking military stud so there just isn't anything anyone could possibly say on a forum like this or anywhere that could upset me about who I am or what I am and certainly nothing that would make me want to spend much time on here at all. Gawd, what a depressing thought.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

LOL...........or actually enjoying life a little. It's lefty that sits on the internet all day talking about how horrible everything is. As a woman, I am a veteran and my husband has been in the military for 10 years and it is by and large, conservatives who join the military. I have yet to meet one single lefty on the issue of national defense, in the military. And I have been affiliated with the military in one way or another for 22 years. It is the conservative members of my family that have fought in past wars, not the whiney liberal ones that spend their time tearing down America.

I agree 100%.

The worst thing the US Democrats could do would be to stop this war. They would be forever blamed by the Right for whatever ensued.

So the only real problem is how do we fight the war with the soldiers we have, or should we call for a voluntary army of, presumably, brave Republicans? We can't really draft a whole bunch of hippies, can we? (see: Vietnam).

If the Republicans win the war they get to crow about it and shape US policy for decades. That's a BIG upside for you guys. The Democrats want to stop the war for... well I'm not sure why. Maybe they're afraid you'll win.

The time to stop the war was before it began. Now it's time to win the war.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Originally Posted by DLQ2006 

LOL...........or actually enjoying life a little. It's lefty that sits on the internet all day talking about how horrible everything is. As a woman, I am a veteran and my husband has been in the military for 10 years and it is by and large, conservatives who join the military. I have yet to meet one single lefty on the issue of national defense, in the military.

That's because all the liberals are pansy homosexuals with pale skinny arms that weakly hold the latest hipster iPod model!

greg

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

800,000 Privileged Youths Enlist To Fight In Iraq

Damn they're sailing close to the wind!

[Zarqawi's Eye]

Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton 

That's because all the liberals are pansy homosexuals with pale skinny arms that weakly hold the latest hipster iPod model!

greg

hehehehe

[Railroader]

[QUOTE=Face Ache;3269491]You haven't shown flaws in my logic, but your slip is showing. Rowr. /QUOTE]
Yes I have. I can't be blamed if you can't see it.

[QUOTE=Face Ache;3269491]Jeez fella, on an anger scale of one to ten I'm operating on a two here. "Tough guy jargon and in your face ranting"? Strewth! The army ain't for you, is it? Are my exclamation points too... pointy? /QUOTE]

Hmm... all of your finger pointing ALL CAPS typing and use of inflammatory profanity doesn't denote anger? I wonder what would.

[QUOTE=Face Ache;3269491]Who are you talking to? Wrong thread? /QUOTE]

You. Sorry you can't follow along.

[QUOTE=Face Ache;3269491]I'm calling for volunteers. I'd like to know who'd go. This is as good a thread as any:/QUOTE]

We have plenty of volunteers. And plenty of cheerleaders it seems.

[QUOTE=Face Ache;3269491]AT WHAT POINT would you sign up for war? I'm talking to the pro-war people but anyone can join in. When is a war serious enough that it warrants your time?/QUOTE]

Me, never. I don't believe following Christ and war mix.

Though I am too old now and they wouldn't let me. I did try to enlist. I took the ASVAB and scored a 98%. I was VERY heavily recruited and all branches were visiting my house. I held out for and was offered Nuke School by the Navy. In the end I was talked out of it by a Navy officer who thought my attitude was all wrong. It certainly was. I was an atheist at the time.

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

ps: watching right-wing, pro-war people blaming the Iraqis for not sorting this mess out makes me embarrassed for you. Have you no shame? This ability to bend reality to suit yourselves, while impressive, is damn scary to witness. As long as you all agree with each other, anything goes! Watch out Poland!

You do realize the pro-war leftwing people exist right? But alas, you don't realize I am not an apologist for this war. I am simply showing you how you appear insecure, sexist, ignorant, and a fanboi cheerleader for a cause that isn't 100% instep with what you think they are.

I am certainly wasting my time on you, but oh well, I seem to have made you think about yourself haven't I?

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The conservatives on this board just can't take their own medicine. Face Ache is telling it like it is. If you can send other people to fight and die with no obvious gain, why don't you sign up yourselves?

You conservatives are always willing to hit below the belt. "Anti-American", "liberals don't support the troops", blah, blah, blah. But when someone calls you on your BS, you whimper that they are angry, and losers who just read blogs (the same blogs your on right now), blah, blah, blah.

You tell the other guy they are anti-American because they don't agree with you lame, half-assed failed strategies. Then you cry when someone asks why you aren't signing up to fight.

Keep going Face Ache. You can't lose either way. They can't keep talking about the other side "not supporting the troops" when you are pointing out that they have no plans to do any sacrificing themselves.