[Big Mac]

This libertarian Republican is suitably impressed with Giuliani's interview on Sean Hannity's radio show on now. He's giving really good answers to substantive questions, including judicial appointments, abortion, Second Amendment and the WoT. Based on this interview, I do think he could get enough support to secure the nomination.

[Atomic Rooster]

Do we need another thread on Giuliani?

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...ext-president/

[typoon]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

This libertarian Republican is suitably impressed with Giuliani's interview on Sean Hannity's radio show on now. He's giving really good answers to substantive questions, including judicial appointments, abortion, Second Amendment and the WoT. Based on this interview, I do think he could get enough support to secure the nomination.

What were some things Hannity Asked? I haven't listened to him in a While I can't stand him calling everyone a Great American for no apparent reason.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

This libertarian Republican is suitably impressed with Giuliani's interview on Sean Hannity's radio show on now. He's giving really good answers to substantive questions, including judicial appointments, abortion, Second Amendment and the WoT. Based on this interview, I do think he could get enough support to secure the nomination.

Pro choice, pro gun control, pro gay marriage is not exactly going to secure votes with your base. He might secure mine though, depending on what he thinks about other issues (don't know much about him yet, but he has always come across as a Bush shill in defending his handling of the war to me thus far)

[Monique]

And that is the guy who had a long term affair and left his wife for his mistress (let's see double standard here)and had cancer.

Don't you have enough of a vice president that is physically sick all the time.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Monique 

And that is the guy who had a long term affair and left his wife for his mistress (let's see double standard here)and had cancer.

Sheesh. Don't you know it's OK to do all this stuff if you are a Republican?

If you are a Democrat however, doing this will make you the biggest pariah imaginable.


(For the record, I think Clinton getting blow-jobs in the White House is just as bad as--but not worse than--Giuliani cheating on his second wife (in a big way) before leaving her for his mistress. Infidelity is bad no matter who does it or when/where it takes place.)

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Pro choice, pro gun control, pro gay marriage is not exactly going to secure votes with your base. He might secure mine though, depending on what he thinks about other issues (don't know much about him yet, but he has always come across as a Bush shill in defending his handling of the war to me thus far)

He's pro-choice although he claims to personally hate abortion. He agreed with Hannity that presidents cannot do much to influence the debate except through judicial appointments, and on that subject he said he would appoint "strict constructionists." He recognizes the 2nd Amendment is a personal right, but he contends that the states should be able to reasonably regulate the right as each sees fit. He's not pro-gay marriage, he's pro-civil unions (apparently on the state level), a position which is pretty close, if not identical, to President Bush's. When you get down to it, he's at worst moderate on some things and conservative on others; if the GOP wants another chance at the presidency he's the man to nominate (IMO).

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy 

Sheesh. Don't you know it's OK to do all this stuff if you are a Republican?

If you are a Democrat however, doing this will make you the biggest pariah imaginable.


(For the record, I think Clinton getting blow-jobs in the White House is just as bad as--but not worse than--Giuliani cheating on his second wife (in a big way) before leaving her for his mistress. Infidelity is bad no matter who does it or when/where it takes place.)

*COUGHWHOLEFREAKINKENNEDYFAMILYCOUGH*

[EDIT] *COUGHFORGOTSANFRANCISCOMAYORCOUGH*

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

*COUGHWHOLEFREAKINKENNEDYFAMILYCOUGH*

[EDIT] *COUGHFORGOTSANFRANCISCOMAYORCOUGH*

Yup, those are good examples of bad behavior (especially infidelity) by politicians. Were you trying to just single out Democrats?

While we're at it, let's add in Newt Gingrich and his infidelity while in office. I think ALL politicians are capable of being un-faithful, not just those of one party or another.

[macintologist]

Giuliani is a master politician scumbag who knows how to talk smooth but in reality would make a terrible president.

[Krusty]

Well, I think Rudy is alright. But let's be honest with ourselves here -- this country is way too WASP-centric to elect a NY, Italian, Catholic. He'll lose 5-10 points just from the xenophobia from certain segments of society. The Republican base has built itself around the "moral" positions on abortion, gay marriage, etc. I just can't imagine they'd jettison the (substantial) portion of their base that would oppose Rudy's positions on those issues.

[Atomic Rooster]

While serving as mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani actually moved out of the mayor's mansion and lived with a gay couple while cheating on his wife. At one point, Giuliani's wife sought a restraining order to prevent his mistress from entering the mansion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/...in291199.shtml

Yeah, he'll be good pickin's.

[macintologist]

While it doesn't matter to me, it WILL matter to the Republican homophobic base

[Jawbone54]

I have criticized Gingrich and Giuliani for their moral shortcomings. I don't care if they're Democrat or Republican. Adultery is wrong, no matter who you are.

The only possible candidate that I've heard of that I might actually vote for is McCain, and there's plenty about him that I don't like. He is a genuine hero, and he does have an independent streak in him. The only problem with McCain is that I think he panders to the media a bit too much.

I don't want an another adulterer in the White House. That marks out Giuliani and Gingrich in my book. I do want someone who isn't so loyal to their party that they throw away their own convictions, and I'd like a good communicator. I do trust in Bush following his own convictions, but I believe his poor communication is what's made him and his policies such an easy target.

I'm rambling.

[macintologist]

Jawbone, what about Obama then?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by macintologist 

Jawbone, what about Obama then?

Despite keeping track of him the past few months, I still don't know enough about him. Few strikes against him out of the gate though...

1. Little experience
2. Pro-choice
3. Liberal
4. Democrat
5. Looks better in a bathing suit than I do

Not sure I could vote for a guy like that.

[Gossamer]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

5. Looks better in a bathing suit than I do

That is the dealbreaker for me as well.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

4. Democrat

Gee, I bet you have a tough time figuring out who to vote for every 4 years.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

The only possible candidate that I've heard of that I might actually vote for is McCain, and there's plenty about him that I don't like. He is a genuine hero, and he does have an independent streak in him. The only problem with McCain is that I think he panders to the media a bit too much.

The guy left his main bitch to marry a rich well connected bitch.

[Jim Paradise]

I'll never understand the fascination with the personal lives of politicians. If they can govern effectively, I could care less what their sex and familial relations have been in the past; it's just a distraction from concentrating on important issues.

"Let's discuss education."
"Sure, but let's first discuss how you cheated on your wife!"
*Shock, gasps, etc.*

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

Gee, I bet you have a tough time figuring out who to vote for every 4 years.

My indecision causes me to cry hysterically in voting booths.

[Moderator]

I truly believe that Sean Hannity and Dick Cheney are evil...not joking...I really believe that.

[OreoCookie]

Why is it so important to you who your favorite politicians sleep with?

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

Why is it so important to you who your favorite politicians sleep with?

I'll bite.

On the rights case, it's finding flaw in your opponent.

On the left's its more of a "Aha! Who's morally superior now?"

(IMO)

It's all politically motivated of course. See: Clinton, Bill.

[OreoCookie]

Yeah, ok, but people pretend it's got anything to do with how capable the person is as a politician.

[Dakar²]

I've heard claims it means they're morally unsound to lead.

[spacefreak]

It's pathetic to see liberals in action. Not one mention of Guiliani policies as implemented by him during his epic NYC turnaround project.

Liberals can't win with ideas, because they have none that can withstand even the smallest amount of scrutiny. So the best they can do instead of challenging Rudy's policies, effectiveness, and efficiency (or Gingrich's) is to simply state that he cheated on his wife - as if that were the most important reason to deny a man election.

The sad thing for liberals is that Guiliani has demonstrated outstanding leadership, and that he has a plethora of impressive results to back it up.

What's Obama done? What's Hillary done? Neither of them have an ounce of any type of executive experience, and even less experience generating results outside of being able to win elections.

Rudy and his policies transformed NYC from a disgusting, crime-riddled dump into a smooth-running, clean and safe economic powerhouse.

[hyteckit]

Conservatives don't have their own ideas. They share a commonality like the Borg or Lemmings. They would follow Pres. Bush off a cliff.

Liberals are free thinkers, which is a problem, because it's hard for them to agree on things.