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Al Gore - Convenient Liar - The Master of Hypocrisy (Page 10)
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Please point out ANYTHING that proves I didn't know what carbon offsets "are"
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Originally Posted by Macrobat 
The only way to GET "carbon offsets" to buy is for someone else to be using less than their arbitrarily assigned amount, so he can purchase their "excess."
Originally Posted by Macrobat
Thanks, that validates exactly what I said. I said that Gore's movie doesn't go into solutions, such as the value of conservation over "carbon neutrality," so the only way for me to show what Gore is "preaching" is by looking at the website where it describes "carbon neutrality" as "even more" than conservation efforts. And this interview confirms that:
Q: Why did your film focus so much on the problems of global warming and not the solutions like alternative energies? What do you plan for a sequel?
G: We really struggled with this because there's a whole other movie What your saying is that this is something that needs to be mobilized; like we mobilize for war. You think how many films there are about war.
This is a deep issue with a lot of dimensions to it. We felt like as filmmakers that we had to focus on: this is the problem, its real, we are the cause of it, and it's urgent. Now if we did that much and offered the tip of the iceberg of solutions at the end then maybe we could start something. We wish we could have added more, but the movie was another kind of thing.
Thanks for proving my point, Macro. Did you ever find anything indicating Gore "preaches" conservation over carbon offsets?
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I give up - you are a hopeless apologist for a complete hypocrite.
He constantly preaches about what "we" need to do.
He has NEVER preached "carbon offsets." Your citing a vague reference to "remaining carbon neutral" does NOT complete your argument.
He CONSTANTLY harps about what we need to do, up to and including ratifying the Kyoto Accords with all its provisions.
Here's ANOTHER reference to his "solutions."
Gore Unveils Global-Warming Plan - washingtonpost.com
Former vice president Al Gore laid out his prescription for an ailing and overheated planet Monday, urging a series of steps from freezing carbon dioxide emissions to revamping the auto industry, factories and farms.
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Ailing overheated planet?
Mars?
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All men are created equal, but what they do after that point puts them on a sliding scale.
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According to macnews.de TV consumes between 25 and 28 Watt in standby-mode. I don't think that's acceptable (and really embarrassing for Al Gore). In Germany this adds at least €40 to your electricity bill annually.
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Yep. That's pretty nasty.
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Religion is the race's first (and worst) attempt to make sense of reality. It was the best the species could do at a time when we had no concept of physics, chemistry, biology or medicine. Hitchens.
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I see Gore is finally going to install some solar panels. This does not make his global warming scam any more legit.
Bill Hobbs | Ecotality Blog
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Religion is the race's first (and worst) attempt to make sense of reality. It was the best the species could do at a time when we had no concept of physics, chemistry, biology or medicine. Hitchens.
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Originally Posted by KarlG
What a bullshit excuse.
The zoning laws were against solar panels ON THE ROOF. He could have had them installed ground level. The roof isn't the best place for them anyway.
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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life.
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Not to mention that he moved into that neighborhood in 2002. The last I checked he was preaching the gospel long before 2002. If I were as wealthy as he and I truly believed the things that he is saying I think that I would have moved to a nice big piece of property out in the boonies. You know, a place with lots of trees and where there are no zoning laws to keep me from doing as I damn please with solar panels, wind mills etc.
I guess living in the "right" neighborhood was more important.
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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life.
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Meanwhile, I've got deja vu again.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
What a bullshit excuse.
The zoning laws were against solar panels ON THE ROOF. He could have had them installed ground level. The roof isn't the best place for them anyway.
It's quite clear to me that the reason they weren't allowed originally is because they didn't wan't them to be viewable by neighbors. The new rules still don't allow them to be seen; they have to be mounted on a flat roof section. Do you honestly believe they're going to allow them to be installed at ground level, where they're visible in a community of multi million dollar homes? That's laughable, at best.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
Not to mention that he moved into that neighborhood in 2002. The last I checked he was preaching the gospel long before 2002. If I were as wealthy as he and I truly believed the things that he is saying I think that I would have moved to a nice big piece of property out in the boonies. You know, a place with lots of trees and where there are no zoning laws to keep me from doing as I damn please with solar panels, wind mills etc.
I guess living in the "right" neighborhood was more important.
I guess you get to decide now where people should live. Just maybe he didn't want to live in the "boonies."
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Originally Posted by smacintush
What a bullshit excuse.
The zoning laws were against solar panels ON THE ROOF. He could have had them installed ground level. The roof isn't the best place for them anyway.
You must live on a large patch of desert.
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Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE
Meanwhile, I've got deja vu again.
Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.
BTW, to answer your question as to what I've done to reduce my energy use;
I keep the thermostat at 65F during the day, in winter and 85F during the summer.
I've changed all the light bulbs in the house to compact energy efficient flourescents. http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...t/4215199.html
I no longer drive faster than the posted speed limits on the freeway.
I've been recycling glass, plastic, cardboard, magazines, paper, etc., for fifteen years.
I've been checking the tire pressure monthly, on my car, for at least fifteen years.
What about you?
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Originally Posted by smacintush
The roof isn't the best place for them anyway.
Why is that?
Originally Posted by Buckaroo
I see Gore is finally going to install some solar panels. This does not make his global warming scam any more legit.
It seems pretty silly to complain about "endless" excuses in favor of Gore and then turn right around and make "endless" excuses against him. Hypocritical even. Is there a double-plus hypocrisy award for being hypocritical about hypocrisy itself?
Originally Posted by smacintush
Not to mention that he moved into that neighborhood in 2002. The last I checked he was preaching the gospel long before 2002.
You know something has always struck me about Gore being late to the getting-a-clue party. He didn't stop farming tobacco until after his sister died of lung cancer. He didn't develop natural human mannerisms until after he lost the presidential race. It always seemed to me like these are things most people would have thought to do a little sooner on.
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Originally Posted by KarlG
BTW, to answer your question as to what I've done to reduce my energy use;
T'wasn't my question, and it actually was: "what are you willing to give up?" since even though you've done all that you have for 15 years or however (you and most other people) it still doesn't seem to be enough to ward off doomsday according to people like Gore.
I live in Southern California not too far from the ocean, which holds at a relatively mild climate- my thermostat hovers between 70 and 72 year round. We don't even own a central AC system (neither my wife or I can stand AC). We used to have a swamp cooler in another house (loved it), but we rarely used it. I used window fans for the first time in decades during the heat wave of last year, but normally, nada. Occasionally, we'll use an oil-filled radiator type space heater during what passes for winter here. We invested from the start in excellent windows and insulation, which is key in maintaining steady indoor temps without a lot of enviro controls.
Not all our lamps have energy-saving bulbs, but most of them do. Our outdoor lights are all solar powered.
Our garden and parts of our lawn are augmented by drip irrigation- which saves a ton of water.
Recycling- been doing it for years. Here, the city issues you the 'big blue can' for recycled materials. Beyond that, my work has a recycling program for things the city doesn't take.
I drive a small, gas-efficient car and use a GPS unit- which saves fuel by finding the most direct way of travel, rather than tooling around in search of places. I would think most everyone checks their tire pressure regularly, to say nothing of keeping wheels aligned, car tuned up, etc.
I take whatever measures I do not to pretend any of it is saaaaving the freakin' world, but for the same reason most people do (excluding blowhard, holier-than-thou Gore-types): to save money. In most cases, wasting energy and resources simply costs too much, and is easily avoidable. And one doesn't need any carbon offset excuse bullcrap either.
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