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Al Gore - Convenient Liar - The Master of Hypocrisy (Page 3)
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Drudge...master of logical fallacy:
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is an argument that asserts or implies that a certain position is false and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to consistently act in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It can be considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the opposite party itself, rather than its positions.
For instance, "Reverend Bob claims that theft is wrong, but how can theft be wrong if Bob himself admits he stole objects when he was a child?"
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Originally Posted by UNTeMac 
Drudge...master of logical fallacy:
Tu quoque (Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is an argument that asserts or implies that a certain position is false and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to consistently act in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It can be considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the opposite party itself, rather than its positions.
For instance, "Reverend Bob claims that theft is wrong, but how can theft be wrong if Bob himself admits he stole objects when he was a child?"
(From Wikipedia)
The Drudge article does nothing of the kind.
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Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he'll stay warm for the rest of his life.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
Is a person's home the only energy they use?
No, but as we found out last time this debate happened, Gore also takes his airfare and other expenditures into account when he calculates his carbon neutrality.
Originally Posted by smacintush
It was perfectly possible for someone with the money to be "off the grid" 20 years ago.
Not through solar panels. Solar panels 20 years ago simply didn't put out enough power. They would help lessen your power needs, but they couldn't completely fulfill them.
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Originally Posted by stupendousman
All it takes is to live life wastefully, but pay high taxes? I thought the earth was in dire straights? We can STILL pollute to our hearts content as long as we pay for other people not to? Sounds like a ponzi scheme to me. If Gore believes what he says, he's PAY AND cut resources. Of course, he doesn't believe that HE should have to sacrifice. Paying out cash is no sacrifice for him. He's a gazillionaire. On the other hand, it would be a sacrifice for most other people.
Sounds like you don't know what a Ponzi scheme is.  Gore may be using energy, but he isn't emitting any net carbon. That's all that matters. And yes, this is called setting an example. If everyone did it, then we wouldn't have a problem.
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Originally Posted by goMac
Not through solar panels. Solar panels 20 years ago simply didn't put out enough power. They would help lessen your power needs, but they couldn't completely fulfill them.
Yes I know. I have been off the grid for 17 years.
The point is not the solar panels themselves. It's that he didn't do anything about his own power until after GPP came about.
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Originally Posted by RAILhead
Me making a lot of money every year and getting to keep all of it without paying extra taxes because I'm successful sounds fair, too.
But your post hits it on the head. You see, according to your logic, people like Algore can be fat, rich, successful, and do whatever the hell they want as long as they give $$$ to some organization or say they plant a frakking tree. But of course, when I do that -- being the Capitalist, White, High-Income, Conservative I am -- I'm a dirtbag and my efforts are in vain because my views don't jibe with the Socialists' and Commies'.
You really have an irrational hatred of Gore. He's fat, rich, successful -- and a Democrat. So he's automatically your archnemesis.
Gore can buy carbon credits if he wants. It's his money!! You and stupendous are the socialists here.
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Originally Posted by stupendousman
Or, is this some kind of feel good scam where rich folks pay double for their power hog-age, go ahead and pollute the environment, but pay cash to some dubious agency which funds more expensive and less productive forms of energy so that they don't really have to sacrifice anything substantially? Someone the "little people" wouldn't be able to afford to do.
Yeah, that one.
I have zero impact too. I use electricity, and pay my bill for it. There. Same logic.
Kyoto wants me to pay a higher bill for less electricity AND wants me to feel guilty about doing it, and pay for a lot of other people's electricity too. Oh, and slow down evolution so everyone else can catch up -- while I pay for that investment. Way to go, Al.
He lives comfortable in the knowledge that he will never have to live under the system he espouses.
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Originally Posted by finboy
Yeah, that one.
I have zero impact too. I use electricity, and pay my bill for it. There. Same logic.
Well, unless you're paying credits for your carbon emissions, you are not zero impact. I'm not sure if you are saying you have green power.
Originally Posted by finboy
Kyoto wants me to pay a higher bill for less electricity AND wants me to feel guilty about doing it, and pay for a lot of other people's electricity too. Oh, and slow down evolution so everyone else can catch up -- while I pay for that investment. Way to go, Al.
Why would you feel guilty about doing the right thing? I don't get it. Slwo down evolution? Fossil fuels are not our only source of power.
Originally Posted by finboy
He lives comfortable in the knowledge that he will never have to live under the system he espouses.
He lives under his own system now.
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Originally Posted by tie
You really have an irrational hatred of Gore. He's fat, rich, successful -- and a Democrat. So he's automatically your archnemesis.
Gore can buy carbon credits if he wants. It's his money!! You and stupendous are the socialists here.
For the record, I kept saying "fat, rich" etc., because that's what so many of us White Capitalist Republican Pigs are called.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
Is a person's home the only energy they use?
No, they also fly to LA for the Oscars. In a private jet, no doubt.
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I was interested in this, so I contacted the people responsible for the research to find out their sources. They just got records from utilities companies. We don't know what percentage of that energy is coming from where. I suppose, if someone is feeling proactive, you could go get a copy of that stuff yourself and post it up here for the rest of us to analyze and misinterpret
All the information that we referenced in our press release, “Al Gore’s Personal Energy Use is His Own ‘Inconvenient Truth,’” was collected through public records requests. We used public information requests often in out work.
In this case we requested – and received – the information from public utilities.
A great resource for anyone interested in open records laws is the Investigative Reporters and Editors website. This site has resources about open records and the federal Freedom of Information Act. You can check it out at IRE || Freedom of Information and First Amendment.
One of the missions of the Tennessee Center for Policy Research is greater open government and better access to open records. We encourage voters and taxpayers everywhere to use their right to access government records – which are your records.
We are available to assist any Tennessean who seeks access public records or who has questions about the state’s public records laws.
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo
Ok. So he buys the offsets from a company he is on the board of. So what?
Is this more jealousy that *gasp* he is making money? And that, gosh darn it, it's possible to actually make money from Carbon offsets? Say it ain't so!
In the end, this means nothing about his environmental concerns. Gore, more to the point of the original topic, is still carbon neutral. If anything, this is proof the original post here is bunk.
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He's a liar, scammer, and bullshiter.
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo
He's a liar, scammer, and bullshiter.
a) Was he part of the company before he started preaching global warming?
b) Does he fund any of the global warming studies?
c) How much of the company does he own?
Gore is still carbon neutral. This is the proof.
Plus, do you actually think Gore is making money on this. He'd have to nearly own the whole company to make money. But he doesn't. Has the right really forgotten how business works?
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It dosent' matter. He's the sam looser that claimed he invented the internet.
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It's a scam, because he stands to profit by scaring people into paying into the same bullshit.
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This is all about Gore's energy scam.
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Originally Posted by Buckaroo
It's a scam, because he stands to profit by scaring people into paying into the same bullshit.
Really? You act like it's uncommon for... oh... I don't know... companies to bring people onboard who are familiar with what they sell?
Christ sakes. A company brings on someone who is an expert on what they do in order to advise them. What is this world coming to?
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