[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

What was I just saying about their ALWAYS being an excuse? ALWAYS!

Oh please. If someone works from home, they use more energy at home. If you want to be analogous to that, you'd have to include the energy use of the white house in Bush's figure. And why would I make apologies for Gore anyway? Did you ever notice I've been arguing against the global warming parade?

You want to explain what an "eGore" is supposed to be now? Is it like Eeyore? I like Eeyore; I drew him on my wall once. Maybe ogre? Or maybe the people who type it just have clumsy typing, like when they write "their" when they mean to say "there" ...? I'm just curious.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Oh please. If someone works from home, they use more energy at home. If you want to be analogous to that, you'd have to include the energy use of the white house in Bush's figure. And why would I make apologies for Gore anyway? Did you ever notice I've been arguing against the global warming parade?

Nonsense. Millions of people work from their homes and don't use anywhere near the energy eGore uses- and on top of it, most of them don't make a hypocritical living berating others about their energy use.

I have no idea why you would make apologies for Gore, but that's exactly what you're doing.

The level of insane, inflammatory rhetoric that Gore uses constantly goes way beyond most others of his stripe- he labels his beliefs a moral issue, and constantly lectures everyone to do as he says (not as he does) lest the sky fall.

He exaggerates wildly, presents out-and-out falsehoods as fact, and stands up before congress with his decrees about what everyone else must do. He declares all debate over, and seeks to silence those that disagree.

For that level of blowhard to turn around and not practice what he crams down everyone else's throat as mandatory (he should do so even MORE than the average person, let alone much less than the average person) and then make up idiotic excuses for it, is the absolute height of hypocrisy. But then, that trait is basically the hallmark of the Global Warming crowd.

Just ranting is all eGore types ever assign themselves to do, while they use excessive amounts of energy and pretty much ignore virtually everything they espouse for others.(And then float ENDLESS excuses why it's okay, and why they're always excluded from being the cause of their own doomsday beliefs).

Personally, I could care less how much energy the guy uses, just don't give me all this bullcrap and endless list of excuses why he can't be called out for being the shameless hypocrite that he is.

You want to explain what an "eGore" is supposed to be now?

Really, does it matter all that much? It's to offset the carbon emissions that typing out enviroreligiousnut-Gore every time would use up.

[tie]

Ah, I thought it was like an email or ebook. Internet-inventor iGore (the fat mouth).

But while you're good at making up names, you aren't good at coming up with arguments. If Gore is carbon-neutral, his energy usage doesn't matter for global warming.

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by tie 

Ah, I thought it was like an email or ebook. Internet-inventor iGore (the fat mouth).

But while you're good at making up names, you aren't good at coming up with arguments. If Gore is carbon-neutral, his energy usage doesn't matter for global warming.

Al Gore is NOT carbon neutal. Carbon Neutral is all a scam. Until he consumes less energy than the average person, it's all a BS.

CARBON NEUTRAL IS BS. It does NOT exist. It's a lie. If he consumes energy, then that energy no longer exists.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Nonsense. Millions of people work from their homes and don't use anywhere near the energy eGore uses

But most of those people are just pulling down a paycheck, or running a business of a few people. Gore is running a large campaign of thousands of people. If you were really looking at comparable energy uses, you would divide the cost by the number of people working there. Each of those people would be using energy at whatever job they did.

I have no idea why you would make apologies for Gore, but that's exactly what you're doing.

I don't give a crap about Gore, I'm just letting you know your argument makes no sense.

The level of insane, inflammatory rhetoric that Gore uses constantly goes way beyond most others of his stripe- he labels his beliefs a moral issue, and constantly lectures everyone to do as he says (not as he does) lest the sky fall.

I don't think that's out of character at all for others of his stripe. You might recall a recent thumbsup you gave in another thread where I outlined how Gore's message is almost identical to the majority of warmongering neoconservative activists. Unless you're trying to paint Gore in a different stripe from all other political figures, I don't think there's any way for you to make the case in that statement.

For that level of blowhard to turn around and not practice what he crams down everyone else's throat

You seem to be forgetting that no matter what you personally think about "carbon credits," he believes them. If everyone else did the same carbon credit thing he does, which you consider a scam, he would still be happy. That's why he's not a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

Until he consumes less energy than the average person, it's all a BS.

That's quite an arbitrary and inconstant line.

If he consumes energy, then that energy no longer exists.

It's not about energy availability, it's about emissions.

[besson3c]

Let's just cut to the chase here:

- Nobody here really knows what is going on with our environment, with the exception of those who have done in depth environmental study and have devoted a significant portion of their lives to conducting and peer reviewing research. Gut feelings don't cut it, sorry.

- For all of us that don't really know what's going on (myself included), we can make choices about what theories we find to be the most persuasive. For some of us, it will be pro global warming, some will be anti. I choose to agree with the overall educated consensus, which is pro global warming

- Whether you like or dislike Al Gore, think he's a hypocrite, whatever, it does not matter... There are many others saying what he is saying, the fact that he is also saying this stuff does not make what he is saying wrong

[Uncle Skeleton]

But Al Gore is one of those people familiar with the scientific evidence (as far as we know), and if anyone in the world would be swayed to the cause, he would. That's why it's relevant to find out if he's not really swayed by it after all.

Also "there are many others saying what he is saying" is an appeal to an unnamed authority fallacy.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

But Al Gore is one of those people familiar with the scientific evidence (as far as we know), and if anyone in the world would be swayed to the cause, he would. That's why it's relevant to find out if he's not really swayed by it after all.

Also "there are many others saying what he is saying" is an appeal to an unnamed authority fallacy.

I don't know the actual names of the scientists that were present at the UN environmental summit thing, sorry!

Why does it matter whether Gore is swayed by it or not? There are many variables to account for including his personal profit motivation, his political interests, etc. We'll never really be able to peer into his sole, so why bother with all of the gossipy speculation?

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

But Al Gore is one of those people familiar with the scientific evidence (as far as we know), and if anyone in the world would be swayed to the cause, he would. That's why it's relevant to find out if he's not really swayed by it after all.

Also "there are many others saying what he is saying" is an appeal to an unnamed authority fallacy.

If he's familiar with anything it's BS. EVERYTHING HE SAID was LIES.

He claimed Carbon Dioxide caused increases in heat. But his data that he presented said that Inceases in heat caused increases in Carbon Dioxide. He LIED, he's STUPID and/or full of BULLSHIT.

It's like he's pointing at a solid wall painted red and says it's blue. Maybe because he's color blind or because he is a LIAR. That does not make the wall blue. It's a red wall, and all you Y3K wakos only see the color Gore tells you.

What color is this?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c

Why does it matter whether Gore is swayed by it or not?

Because if anyone in the world would be swayed to the cause, he would. Is anyone else getting deja vu here?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

If he's familiar with anything it's BS. EVERYTHING HE SAID was LIES.

He claimed Carbon Dioxide caused increases in heat. But his data that he presented said that Inceases in heat caused increases in Carbon Dioxide. He LIED, he's STUPID and/or full of BULLSHIT.

It's like he's pointing at a solid wall painted red and says it's blue. Maybe because he's color blind or because he is a LIAR. That does not make the wall blue. It's a red wall, and all you Y3K wakos only see the color Gore tells you.

What color is this?

Who cares? Does this really matter?

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Who cares? Does this really matter?

What matters is Al Gore wants to kill off the human race, and all with lies.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

What matters is Al Gore wants to kill off the human race, and all with lies.

Heh...

He's a guy with an ideological bent, like so many others in our history. That is it. You are really emotional about this stuff, aren't you?

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

What matters is Al Gore wants to kill off the human race, and all with lies.

[tie]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

Al Gore is NOT carbon neutal. Carbon Neutral is all a scam. Until he consumes less energy than the average person, it's all a BS.

CARBON NEUTRAL IS BS. It does NOT exist. It's a lie. If he consumes energy, then that energy no longer exists.

Buckaroo, I guess you have personal reasons for hating Gore, but this is nonsense. Carbon neutral means that your net carbon emissions are zero. I don't know if this is true for Gore or not -- I wouldn't be surprised if not, but there hasn't been any evidence given for it.

Calling something BS, a lie, a scam, saying it doesn't exist -- doesn't help your argument. Iraq is a BS, a lie, a scam, doesn't exist -- there, did that convince you we should withdraw?

What matters is Al Gore wants to kill off the human race, and all with lies.

You forgot to say "fat mouth eGore"; now Crash is going to have to correct you.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

But most of those people are just pulling down a paycheck, or running a business of a few people. Gore is running a large campaign of thousands of people. If you were really looking at comparable energy uses, you would divide the cost by the number of people working there. Each of those people would be using energy at whatever job they did.

Oh come off it. Even Gore himself hasn't used any such excuse, that there are "thousands of people" working at his private residence full time, day in, day out. That's utter nonsense. His own excuse is the whole carbon offset line of baloney.

I don't think that's out of character at all for others of his stripe. You might recall a recent thumbsup you gave in another thread where I outlined how Gore's message is almost identical to the majority of warmongering neoconservative activists. Unless you're trying to paint Gore in a different stripe from all other political figures, I don't think there's any way for you to make the case in that statement.

Not sure we're talking about the same things here.

In the other thread yours was a very good argument, pointing out something that I've noticed also: that the charge of "playing on their fears" that Gore's ilk constantly accuse others of about terrorism, is EXACTLY, word for word true about the Global Warming crowd itself. I didn't agree 100% with all of your post, but just was commending you for making your case very convincingly.

As for Gore, I'm not even really so much getting into the fact that he's simply wrong with his Global Warming fear mongering (IE: he fudges his own data and outright lies about critical details), just pointing out his hypocrisy. I'd say the same of someone who actively supported terrorists, then went and made a living as an 'anti-terrorist' alarmist.

You seem to be forgetting that no matter what you personally think about "carbon credits," he believes them. If everyone else did the same carbon credit thing he does, which you consider a scam, he would still be happy. That's why he's not a hypocrite.

I'm sorry, but that logic is 100% bassakwards.

The 'if everyone did what he does' test would work exactly in reverse of what you're saying. If everyone used 30 times the amount of energy they average now, and just shuffled it off with a bunch of stupid excuses, it would IN REALITY mean only one thing: there'd be 30 times as much energy being used and 30 times as much pollution being generated! There's no buying your way out of that fact, or "offsetting it"! Just spouting on and on about what everyone else needs to do and/or claiming that you need an army of people to help your spew your spiel wouldn't change anything either.

And of course the real issue is, most people (including MOST small business owners by the way) couldn't afford to buy their way out of being gross energy hogs even IF that silly ponzi scheme of an idea actually did count for anything. Most people keep their own personal energy consumption as low as they can for one very practical reason- they can't afford not to.

It adds to Gore's hypocrisy in that he can afford to clean up his act, but like the typical "Do as I say, not as I do" busybody liberal that he is, he doesn't feel he has to bother, and then floats endless excuses for it. He talks a lot of talk, but doesn't walk his own walk. Yes, that makes him a hypocrite. Sorry if pointing it out gets under some folks skin, but so be it. It's not on me to polish the turds other people make into their idols.

[greenamp]

Add to this Gore's some $20,000 in royalties he made last year from letting his Carthage property be strip mined for Zinc.

What a champion of the environment. Rock on al.