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Doofy · Feb 26, 2007, 11:47 PM

Check 15 minutes in.

LiveLeak.com - VIDEO: BBC WAS HALF AN HOUR TOO EARLY REPORTING ON WTC7 COLLAPSE

<--- yes, that's my comment.

pcguy1 · Feb 27, 2007, 07:54 AM

isn't that kind of old old old story, along with JFK and UFO?

Atheist · Feb 27, 2007, 08:44 AM

Come on now...we all know full well that the Brits were in on the whole thing. A global conspiracy costing billions of dollars and thousands of lives was by far the easiest and simplest way to start a war. DUH!

Millennium · Feb 27, 2007, 10:24 AM

The rumor mill was on fire that day, and many things were reported as news that hadn't happened yet, if they'd happened at all. I distinctly remember hearing reports of a car bomb in front of the Capitol building, for example; in fact, there was no such bomb. By contrast, I don't remember hearing reports of WTC7's collapse for quite a long time after 9/11 itself.

My point here is that when something like 9/11 is in progress, it's very difficult to tell rumor from fact. You can't get a clear picture until the dust settles. Just as I heard a rumor reported as news that turned out to be false, the BBC was likely acting on a rumor that later turned out to be true.

goMac · Feb 27, 2007, 11:00 AM

I heard that it was because the U.S. was on daylight savings, Britain was not. Therefore they weren't actually a half hour early, they were a half hour late.

Mithras · Feb 27, 2007, 11:06 AM

Oh please goMac, you believe that old canard? Use some reason and common sense -- they reported it early because their masterminds in the U.S. Government had told them exactly when and how to report the "collapse", as part of their plan for global hegemony. Unfortunately, some intern at the BBC screwed it up, didn't obey the embargo, and announced it early. He was shipped to Guantanamo posthaste.

dcmacdaddy · Feb 27, 2007, 11:18 AM

Yeah, there were lots of spurious news reports about various things happening in DC as well. I was living there, and working three blocks from the White House, and the news had reports of explosions and other threats in numerous locations in DC. As for the explosions, it was determined later that what many reported as "explosions" were actually sonic booms from the fighter jets taking up position over the city. As I was walking home I witnessed one of the early waves of jets come screaming up the Potomac River with one group pulling off to fly in formation over the city and another group turning west, over the burning Pentagon, to go on an intercept run for more jets headed to DC. (At the time it was thought there were more jets in the air that could be used as missiles and, it was revealed later, the fighter jets had been given shoot-down orders for any jets they encountered inside of the greater DC airplane flight-space. Luckily, all the jets in the air at that point were on the ground or diverted elsewhere.)

Doofy · Feb 27, 2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I heard that it was because the U.S. was on daylight savings, Britain was not. Therefore they weren't actually a half hour early, they were a half hour late.

See the vid - the reporter's standing in front of the thing and telling us it's collapsed.

TETENAL · Feb 27, 2007, 01:18 PM

The reporter wasn't in the convenient situation that someone was showing arrows pointing to it that you are in. It didn't look like an architectural landmark, so it's no surprise she didn't recognize its silhouette.

nonhuman · Feb 27, 2007, 01:24 PM

Was she actually in New York at the time or was she standing in front of a tv/green screen? If the latter, it seems entirely possible that even though her broadcast may have been live, the scene behind her was on a delay.

Doofy · Feb 27, 2007, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The reporter wasn't in the convenient situation that someone was showing arrows pointing to it that you are in. It didn't look like an architectural landmark, so it's no surprise she didn't recognize its silhouette.

Goes to timing, not the reporter's ability to recognise the building.

Nonhuman presents a possible reason. Something about it doesn't actually look real (to me, at least). Maybe it is greenscreened?

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 10:04 AM

I would agree with the green screen delay, if the delay was a only few minutes.
but nearly 26 minutes worth of delay destroys that argument.
Transmissions travel at the speed of light and are at most delayed by a few seconds. BBC is not on Mars.

So the only explanation I can see (without going into the conspiracy waters) is that BBC's clocks were off, way off.

nonhuman · Feb 28, 2007, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by osiris

I would agree with the green screen delay, if the delay was a only few minutes.
but nearly 26 minutes worth of delay destroys that argument.
Transmissions travel at the speed of light and are at most delayed by a few seconds. BBC is not on Mars.

So the only explanation I can see (without going into the conspiracy waters) is that BBC's clocks were off, way off.

I was going to say that maybe they were intentionally delaying it so that they would have plenty of footage and time to avoid showing anything truly horrific or disturbing, but then I realized that I couldn't think of anything they could show from that distance that would be worse than what they were already showing....

Doofy · Feb 28, 2007, 11:02 AM

Here's the Beeb's response:

BBC NEWS | The Editors

4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy).

How very convenient.

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by nonhuman

I was going to say that maybe they were intentionally delaying it so that they would have plenty of footage and time to avoid showing anything truly horrific or disturbing, but then I realized that I couldn't think of anything they could show from that distance that would be worse than what they were already showing....

yep, It is kind of odd. (if this is in fact a tape of the actual live broadcast as it appeared on that day. )
As Doofy said, it's in the video (and time stamped).

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Here's the Beeb's response:

BBC NEWS | The Editors

How very convenient.

OMG. And people wonder why conspiracy theories take root.

Doofy · Feb 28, 2007, 11:12 AM

Here's a different BBC time-stamped report:

BBC New24 report the collapse of WTC7 too early.

(Better to right-click-and-save on the "download file" at bottom right if you're using Safari.)

So, the only explanation now is that the DST were off. And as far as I can remember, we were 5 hours ahead of NYC as usual. Anyone know where to go check historical DST data?

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Here's a different BBC time-stamped report:

BBC New24 report the collapse of WTC7 too early.

(Better to right-click-and-save on the "download file" at bottom right if you're using Safari.)

So, the only explanation now is that the DST were off. And as far as I can remember, we were 5 hours ahead of NYC as usual. Anyone know where to go check historical DST data?

Good point - but wouldn't a DST shift occur in whole hour increments, and not 20 mins, 26 mins, etc..?

Doofy · Feb 28, 2007, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by osiris

Good point - but wouldn't a DST shift occur in whole hour increments, and not 20 mins, 26 mins, etc..?

Yep, most of the time (sometimes in some places it's a half hour), but let's get some data so we can see whether GoMac's post above holds any water.

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Yep, most of the time (sometimes in some places it's a half hour), but let's get some data so we can see whether GoMac's post above holds any water.

I found this on the internets:

Doofy · Feb 28, 2007, 11:57 AM

A concern of mine regarding this is: Why has it taken five years for the conspiracy mob to release this? Surely one of them must have had a recording of it from day one? Could it be possible that whatever's behind that reporter is a frame-by-frame PS job? That'd take five years to do something that good, right? Anyone with PS skillz want to comment?

:dragonflypro: · Feb 28, 2007, 12:14 PM

I have never seen on news ticker graphic, or caption be wrong on a news show. It must be a conspiracy!

Or, funny thing, maybe it is just really weird coincidence?

Millennium · Feb 28, 2007, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

A concern of mine regarding this is: Why has it taken five years for the conspiracy mob to release this?

Because they were busy grasping at other straws.

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

Because they were busy grasping at other straws.

It's taken years to get 911 calls and FDNY tapes. Far from grasping straws.

mitchell_pgh · Feb 28, 2007, 01:18 PM

Sure... and a missiles took out the Pentagon.

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Sure... and a missiles took out the Pentagon.

Cheap shot. No soup for you, come back in one year.

mitchell_pgh · Feb 28, 2007, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by osiris

It's taken years to get 911 calls and FDNY tapes. Far from grasping straws.

Did you ever consider that such items are considered "evidence?" Also, couldn't some of that information be considered classified.

Also, I'm sure the NYFD was perfectly organized on 9/11 for such an event... recording every little detail.

osiris · Feb 28, 2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

Did you ever consider that such items are considered "evidence?" Also, couldn't some of that information be considered classified.

Also, I'm sure the NYFD was perfectly organized on 9/11 for such an event... recording every little detail.

Sure, it takes an enormous amount of time to go through all the materials, regardless of the source, and even more time if the materials are used as evidence. I'm sure more stuff will come out as the years roll by.

goMac · Feb 28, 2007, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

I have never seen on news ticker graphic, or caption be wrong on a news show. It must be a conspiracy!

Or, funny thing, maybe it is just really weird coincidence?

From what I remember, they were watching that building all day, because they knew it was unstable.

Could be just a reporter jumping the gun. But I would find it hard to believe the BBC was part of a large international conspiracy to bring down a building.

Doofy · Feb 28, 2007, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

But I would find it hard to believe the BBC was part of a large international conspiracy to bring down a building.

The BBC don't have to be involved in the conspiracy. After all, they just repeat whatever's put in front of them.

bearcatrp · Mar 4, 2007, 07:01 PM

Check out Loose Change 1 and 2 from this web site : http://www.loosechange911.com .

Snow-i · Mar 5, 2007, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by bearcatrp

Check out Loose Change 1 and 2 from this web site : http://www.loosechange911.com .

a bunch of quotes taken out of context and unfounded/uncited "facts"?

Whats there to check out about that?

Wiskedjak · Mar 5, 2007, 07:17 AM

In other news, CNN reports Bush's 2000 election win ... also before it happens

kick52 · Mar 5, 2007, 07:57 AM

i remember seeing the bbc news report and watching it go down, as the reporter was saying 'its going down'

but i dont think that was news24.

Doofy · Mar 5, 2007, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by kick52

i remember seeing the bbc news report and watching it go down, as the reporter was saying 'its going down'

You were bobbing school?

(You were 10 at the time, right?)

kick52 · Mar 5, 2007, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

You were bobbing school?

(You were 10 at the time, right?)

yeah, so i got home at 3

sdilley14 · Apr 11, 2007, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Snow-i

a bunch of quotes taken out of context and unfounded/uncited "facts"?

Whats there to check out about that?

Uncited facts? Watch the thing. It's self explanatory. You have to be crazy to think that building fell down in 10 seconds on it's own.

OldManMac · Apr 12, 2007, 12:21 AM

Now where did I put that tin foil hat? Ah, there it is! I'll have it on eBay shortly, folks.

Face Ache · Apr 12, 2007, 01:48 AM

I had an Israeli art student knock at my door a few days ago. Pass the tinfoil.

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” - Benjamin Franklin

Snow-i · Apr 12, 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by sdilley14

Uncited facts? Watch the thing. It's self explanatory. You have to be crazy to think that building fell down in 10 seconds on it's own.

It took 40 minutes to fall down. And it wasn't on its own...a commercial jetliner full of people and full of jet fuel slammed into it at 500 plus MPH.