[Jawbone54]

Hillary in the South

I'm not sure what else I can say about this. Her husband was the "first black president," and it's pretty obvious that she's trying to do the same. This is all in front of black congregations and crowds. Fake, fake, fake, fake!

Is there anyone out there who doesn't think this is disgusting? And why don't Democrats ever get called out for speaking in churches? I thought they frowned upon that sort of thing?

[Chuckit]

On the Democrats-in-churches thing: It's a bit like the difference between letting your 15-year-old daughter give your 9-year-old daughter a hug versus letting a convicted pedophile touch either of them. People are already suspicious that Republicans want to let religion run the country, whereas Democrats have the opposite stigma.

(Note: I'm not saying either of these stereotypes is true. I think the parties are a lot closer to each other than people want to believe. I'm just explaining why people respond the way they do.)

[goMac]

I don't like Hillary. I'd vote for her in a lesser of two evils situation, but I'd rather vote for Obama.

[Chuckit]

In a situation where Hillary is the lesser of two evils, I'd just shoot myself. I don't want to be there when her opponent raises the dead to wage war against the righteous.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

On the Democrats-in-churches thing: It's a bit like the difference between letting your 15-year-old daughter give your 9-year-old daughter a hug versus letting a convicted pedophile touch either of them. People are already suspicious that Republicans want to let religion run the country, whereas Democrats have the opposite stigma.

(Note: I'm not saying either of these stereotypes is true. I think the parties are a lot closer to each other than people want to believe. I'm just explaining why people respond the way they do.)

When I was about 12, I started following politics. I hated one party and loved another. Now I hate both parties and feel that I'm forced to choose who is going to cause the least damage to the country, rather than who is going to make America a better place to live. The sad truth is that both parties are too powerful for an independent alternative at this point. I'm so pessimistic over this country's future.

[OldManMac]

Hillary is just like Bill; an opportunist, who will say whatever they think the people they're addressing want to hear. I'm going to do whatever I can to see that she doesn't get the nomation. I'm also going to let her staff know why she won't get my support. If she does get the nomination, I'm not sure what I'll do, as the people currently in the lead, in both parties, all have the same issues.

[Jawbone54]

I don't have the audio clip, but Obama has become guilty of the same chameleon-esque tactics. He began speaking ebonics while behind a pulpit at a black church during the past few days, while anyone who has ever heard Obama speak knows that he is very well-spoken and could even be considered "white" sounding.

He even compared his great-grandfather in Nigeria to American slaves and got a great pop from the crowd. Someone forgot to tell him that slavery ended ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO!!!

The 2008 presidential election is off to a great start.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

I don't have the audio clip, but Obama has become guilty of the same chameleon-esque tactics. He began speaking ebonics while behind a pulpit at a black church during the past few days, while anyone who has ever heard Obama speak knows that he is very well-spoken and could even be considered "white" sounding.

He even compared his great-grandfather in Nigeria to American slaves and got a great pop from the crowd. Someone forgot to tell him that slavery ended ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO!!!

The 2008 presidential election is off to a great start.

Of course he left out the fact that on his mother's side his ancestors OWNED slaves in America…

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

I don't have the audio clip, but Obama has become guilty of the same chameleon-esque tactics. He began speaking ebonics while behind a pulpit at a black church during the past few days, while anyone who has ever heard Obama speak knows that he is very well-spoken and could even be considered "white"

I want to see one of the other candidates try the same thing.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

Of course he left out the fact that on his mother's side his ancestors OWNED slaves in America…

He never left that fact out. That was part of his speech actually.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

I don't have the audio clip, but Obama has become guilty of the same chameleon-esque tactics. He began speaking ebonics while behind a pulpit at a black church during the past few days, while anyone who has ever heard Obama speak knows that he is very well-spoken and could even be considered "white" sounding.

I recall a politician that pretends he has a texas accent even though he's from Massachusetts.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by goMac 

He never left that fact out. That was part of his speech actually.

DAMMIT!

But really, wasn't it because he was "outed" first?

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I recall a politician that pretends he has a texas accent even though he's from Massachusetts.

Really? Who is that? I can't seem to think of any off hand…

[Jawbone54]

I wish George W had tried to speak ebonics (he wasn't going to get the black vote anyways). Or better yet, John McCain.

[Atomic Rooster]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

He even compared his great-grandfather in Nigeria to American slaves and got a great pop from the crowd. Someone forgot to tell him that slavery ended ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS AGO!!!

I was wondering how Obama was going to handle the fact that he is not descended from slaves.

I don't like the guy and I'm a lefty.

So I would say Hillary is not as fake as Obama. But being politicians it doesn't come to left or right to be fake.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

I was wondering how Obama was going to handle the fact that he is not descended from slaves.

I don't like the guy and I'm a lefty.

So I would say Hillary is not as fake as Obama. But being politicians it doesn't come to left or right to be fake.

fake 1 |fāk| noun a thing that is not genuine; a forgery or sham : the painting was a fake. • a person who appears or claims to be something that they are not. See note at quack . • a pretense or trick : his excuse for coming was a fake. adjective not genuine; counterfeit : fake designer clothing | expressing fake emotions. • (of a person) claiming to be something that one is not : a fake doctor.

You probably don't like Obama because he's not FAKE! Hillary Clintons southern drawl is FAKE!
Bill Clintton the first Black President: FAKE
So if your not decended from slaves and you're black you are somehow FAKE?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

I was wondering how Obama was going to handle the fact that he is not descended from slaves.

I don't like the guy and I'm a lefty.

So I would say Hillary is not as fake as Obama. But being politicians it doesn't come to left or right to be fake.

As a liberal, who are you supporting at this point in the race for the Democratic nomination, even if they're not officially running yet?

[Sky Captain]

How about her offensive fake Southern accent/drawl.
Dan Akroyd in Driving Miss Daisy fake and offensive.

Life's a b!tch. Don't vote for one.

[Dakar²]

Bitch gets filtered?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Dakar² 

Bitch gets filtered?

Evidently so...

[Dakar²]

Still too strong for my taste.

[placebo1969]

[Jawbone54]

You should try decaf, then. Most people don't care for it, but different strokes....

[Dakar²]

Well played.

(Too weak)

[Jawbone54]

Ah-thank you.

I'll be here all weak.

(Yes, that was lame)

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

Ah-thank you.

I'll be here all weak.

(Yes, that was lame)

Actually, it was weak.

[Moderator]

I have to say. Hillary is ridiculously phony...I can barely stand it. She needs to go down. Go Barack.

[osiris]

Hillary is a bad ass rapster hood biotch, she'll cut ya if ya be dissin her mofo.

[BlueSky]

When I hear her make a speech, she reminds me of a schoolgirl running for student council. The speech is designed to grab, dazzle, impress and amuse you. If someone has substance and something to offer, all they need worry about is projecting that, but she ain't got it (apparently) so she's dabbling in blahblah. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

[Buckaroo]

[BRussell]

Now hold on. I don't think you'll find any of us (liberal Dems here on MacNN) who are lovers of Hillary. And she's not a great speech-maker, like Obama.

But in that clip she was clearly intentionally quoting a southern person, she wasn't trying to pretend she really talks like that. It sounds dumb, particularly out of context, but it wasn't "fake" in the sense of intending to be deceptive.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

Hey, who are you to tell me that I'm not doing my best?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

Now hold on. I don't think you'll find any of us (liberal Dems here on MacNN) who are lovers of Hillary. And she's not a great speech-maker, like Obama.

But in that clip she was clearly intentionally quoting a southern person, she wasn't trying to pretend she really talks like that. It sounds dumb, particularly out of context, but it wasn't "fake" in the sense of intending to be deceptive.

I wasn't referring to her vernacular. She's clearly reading or quoting someone else. What's hilarious about it is the "Southern" accent that she adopts to read it, along with the very odd inflections that I couldn't identify as anything other than "hilarious."

[finboy]

Originally Posted by goMac 

I don't like Hillary. I'd vote for her in a lesser of two evils situation, but I'd rather vote for Obama.

I considered Obama a healthy choice (for a Lefty) up until Louis Farrakan decided to back him. Now I'm not so sure.

[rambo47]

For those of you supporting Hillary, here's some food for thought. Quotes with sources:


 "Where is the G-damn f**king flag?  I want the G-damn f**king flag up every f**king morning at f**king sunrise."
(From the book "Inside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 - Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day, 1991)

"You sold out, you mother f**ker!  You sold out!"
From the book "Inside" by Joseph Califano, p. 213 - Hillary yelling at Democrat lawyer.

"It's been said, and I think it's accurate, that my husband was obsessed by terrorism in general and al-qaida in particular."
(Hillary telling a post-9/11 world what a 'great' commander in chief her husband was; Dateline, NBC 4/16/2004.)

"I have to admit that a good deal of what my husband and I have learned [about Islam] has come from our daughter."
(TruthInMedia.org 8/8/1999 - Hillary at a White House function, proudly tells some Muslim groups she is gaining a greater appreciation of Islam because Chelsea was then taking a class on the "religion of peace")

"F**k off!  It's enough that I have to see you ****-kickers every day, I'm not going to talk to you too!!  Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 90 - Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good morning."

"You f**king idiot."
(From the book "Crossfire" p. 84 - Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event.)

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!"
(From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident.)

"Get f**ked!  Get the f**k out of my way!!!  Get out of my face!!!"
(From the book "Hillary's Scheme" p. 89 - Hillary's various comments to her Secret Service detail agents.)

"Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k away from me!  Don't come within ten yards of me, or else!  Just f**king do as I say, Okay!!!?"
(From the book "Unlimited Access", by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrige, p. 139 - Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail.)

"Many of you are well enough off that [President Bush's] tax cuts may have helped you.  We're saying that for America to get back on track, we' re probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to have to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
(Hillary grandstanding at a fund raising speech in San Francisco; SFGate.com 6/28/2004.)

"Why do I have to keep proving to people that I am not a liar?!"
(From the book "The Survivor," by John Harris, p. 382 - Hillary in her 2000 Senate campaign)

"Where's the miserable c*ck sucker?"(From the book "The Truth About Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5 - Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer)

"No matter what you think about the Iraq war, there is one thing we can all agree on for the next days - we have to salute the courage and bravery of those who are risking their lives to vote and those brave Iraqi and American soldiers fighting to protect their right to vote.
(Was posted on Hillary Clinton's senate.gov web site on 1/28/05)

"Put this on the ground!  I left my sunglasses in the limo.  I need those sunglasses.  We need to go back!"
(From the book "Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72 - Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One.)

"A right-wing network was after his presidency...including perverting the Constitution."
(To Barbara Walters about the Republicans who impeached her husband; 20/20, ABC 6/8/2003.)

"Son of a bitch."
(From the book "American Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p. 259 - Hillary's opinion of President George W. Bush when she found out he secretly visited Iraq just days before her highly publicized trip to Iraq)< /I>

"What are you doing inviting these people into my home? These people are our enemies! They are trying to destroy us!"
(From the book "The Survivor" by John Harris, p. 99 - Hillary screaming to an aide, when she found out that some Republicans had been invited to the Clinton White House)

"I mean, you've got a conservative and right-wing press presence with really nothing on the other end of the political spectrum."
(C-Span, 1/19/1997 - Hillary complains about the mainstream media, which are all conservatives in her opinion)

"Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't f**k her here!!"
(From the book "I nside The White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243 - Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female at an Arkansas political rally)

"You know, I'm going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in.  I'm going to start thinking of her as a human being" -Hillary Clinton
(From the book "The Case Against Hillary Clinton" by Peggy Noonan, p. 55)

"You show people what you're willing to fight for when you fight your friends."
(From the book "The Agenda" by Bob Woodward, ch. 14)

"We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West."
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 119 - During her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas)

"The only way to make a difference is to acquire power"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 68 -  Hillary to a friend before starting law school.)

"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people"
(From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 20 - Hillary to Rep. Dennis Hastert in 1993 discussing her expensive, disastrous taxpayer-funded health care plan)

"I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe" Hillary in 1996" From the book "I've Always Been A Yankee Fan" by Thomas D. Kuiper, p. 76 - Hillary in 1996)

[QuadG5Man]

Wow, I didn't like Hilary before, and that pretty much confirms my fears of her.

[macintologist]

All of the above quotes are complete fabrications and conjecture.

[Mithras]

I'm sure many of you have seen this by now. Kind of mean, but very funny:

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

In a situation where Hillary is the lesser of two evils, I'd just shoot myself. I don't want to be there when her opponent raises the dead to wage war against the righteous.