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art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:02 AM

Of course, George will probably pardon him before leaving office. So, with appeals, and the slow wheels of justice, do you think he'll spend any time behind bars?

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:03 AM

I was beginning to think it was gonna be hung jury.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:04 AM

What is this guy's real first name anyway?

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:08 AM

Vespa.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:09 AM

Why do f-ing people choose so f-ing confusing names all the time?

We have Jesus H. Christ, except he doesn't really have a middle name, and he is The Christ, his last name is not "Christ".... Lame.... How about a normal name, hippy?

Then we have this Scooter guy. Then we have Dick which is really Richard? What?! WHat's up with that? We have Bob that is really Robert? WTF?

Plus, we have this bossy guy from Van Halen telling us what to do:

Request from Van Halen

typical Liberal Hollywood thinking he can tell everybody what they need to do. What if people don't want to fulfill his request?

Jesus H. Christ, what is this world coming to?

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:10 AM

Your comedy is more forced than a MadTV skit.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I was beginning to think it was gonna be hung jury.

It sure was looking that way. But, as it turns out, guilty on multiple counts.

As I said, he's going to walk just like Ollie North did.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

What is this guy's real first name anyway?

Lewis 'Scooter' Libby

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:13 AM

As reported on CNN:

A federal jury today found Lewis "Scooter" Libby guilty of obstruction of justice, making false statements and perjury in the investigation into how Valerie Plame Wilson's identity as a CIA operative was exposed.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:19 AM

I'm glad to see no one buys this 'poor memory' routine.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Your comedy is more forced than a MadTV skit.

Actually, I'm funny, I'm just one of those artists that is most appreciated once he is gone, so I suggest savoring me while I'm still gracing this Earth.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I'm glad to see no one buys this 'poor memory' routine.

Ditto.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:23 AM

So, I haven't followed this too closely... What are some of the potential ramifications here?

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

So, I haven't followed this too closely... What are some of the potential ramifications here?

In theory he could get 25 years + $1 million fine. In practice, since he's covering for Dick, he'll probably be pardoned by George next year. If he keeps the legal process going by way of appeal, he'll squander untold thousands of tax dollars (court costs) in the meantime and keep himself out of prison.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Actually, I'm funny, I'm just one of those artists that is most appreciated once he is gone, so I suggest savoring me while I'm still gracing this Earth.

Leave so we can see who's right.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:32 AM

The main thing to realize is this basically a victory out of principle. People who don't care about the Plame outing for various reasons won't care, and on the other side, this doesn't punish Cheney, who alot of people think was behind it.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:35 AM

Yep, Dakar², it's a win in that respect. Too bad it won't be made right.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by art_director

In theory he could get 25 years + $1 million fine. In practice, since he's covering for Dick, he'll probably be pardoned by George next year. If he keeps the legal process going by way of appeal, he'll squander untold thousands of tax dollars (court costs) in the meantime and keep himself out of prison.

Will this affect Cheney, or is he already off the hook?

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Will this affect Cheney, or is he already off the hook?

Off the hook.

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:44 AM

Yeah, I seem to recall that earlier in the trial...

So, why do people care so much about Libby? Even if he was found innocent, he would surely be pretty inconsequential from this point on, right?

:dragonflypro: · Mar 6, 2007, 11:47 AM

Before this spirals out of control… this is a perjury and obstruction of justice. It is over a debatably irrelevant issue.

The number of convictions of the this kind, with higher and of significant magnitude, that came out of the previous administration we far more prolific. They also included many more 'primary' players.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 11:48 AM

Well, it sends the message that people will be held responsible in the future. Lackeys will probably do their masters' bidding in future White Houses regardless, but maybe the prospect of what could happen if they get caught might give them pause. Afterall, they will be the scapegoats.

(However a Bush pardon should make this interesting)

besson3c · Mar 6, 2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

Before this spirals out of control… this is a perjury and obstruction of justice. It is over a debatably irrelevant issue.

The number of convictions of the this kind, with higher and of significant magnitude, that came out of the previous administration we far more prolific. They also included many more 'primary' players.

Gotta love the "My crap stinks? Well, look at YOUR crap - talk about stink!"

How about... we just don't accept crap? Seems like a good strategy to me!

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

It is over a debatably irrelevant issue.

You think outing a CIA agent is irrelevant?

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

How about... we just don't accept crap? Seems like a good strategy to me!

We have a B-I-N-G-O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 12:04 PM

If W. pardons him on his way out of office, and the mainstream media goes 100x more berserk over it than the countless Clinton pardons (many of which were questionable), I'll be POed.

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

You think outing a CIA agent is irrelevant?

Dear god...

Her husband outed her at parties, introducing her as his "CIA wife," and it goes unnoticed? If Scooter goes to prison, Joseph Wilson should be sharing a bunk with him. And, oh yes, just for clarification...she was more like Moneypenny...not James Bond.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

If W. pardons him on his way out of office, and the mainstream media goes 100x more berserk over it than the countless Clinton pardons (many of which were questionable), I'll be POed.

This country has such a short memory that he'll give the pardon and it will be a footnote on page five.

Clinton, Bush, Ford (pardoned Nixon) -- it makes no difference. Thay all get away with crap. And we pay for the theater of it all (court cases).

:dragonflypro: · Mar 6, 2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

You think outing a CIA agent is irrelevant?

No, Ace, which is why I said "debatably."

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Dear god...

Her husband outed her at parties, introducing her as his "CIA wife," and it goes unnoticed? If Scooter goes to prison, Joseph Wilson should be sharing a bunk with him. And, oh yes, just for clarification...she was more like Moneypenny...not James Bond.

The law is the law and Scooter broke it. He deserves the sentence he'll never serve. I don't care what side of the aisle he prefers.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

No, Ace, which is why I said "debatably."

That's why I asked, sparky.

:dragonflypro: · Mar 6, 2007, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

That's why I asked, sparky.

For the record, yeah, if she were an operative, field agent, etc it would be a huge issue. However, best I can gather is was a known fact and she was in a clerical role.

But, as far as this case, it is irrelevant because none of the trial was about whether she was outed or not. It was about the unfolding of the story and who said what when. Plames status was a factual footnote.

tie · Mar 6, 2007, 01:17 PM

Cheney deserves to go to prison for his treason. Scooter deserves ten times worse than what he will get (probably nothing

).

The trial has to do with Plame because Scooter lied to stop that investigation.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by tie

Cheney deserves to go to prison for his treason.

Are you referring to the Plame outing or other events / actions?

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

But, as far as this case, it is irrelevant because none of the trial was about whether she was outed or not.

Not the point. Clinton was impeached because he lied. It's the same sort of thing all over again.

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by tie

Cheney deserves to go to prison for his treason.

YEH!!! BURN HIM AT TEh STeaK! HE EATS L1TTLE CHiLDREN!!!

Treason? Does Bill Clinton deserve to go to prison for selling nuclear secrets to Asian nations? Does that count as treason, or is that simply furthering the cause of "leveling out the playing field?"

What about for perjury? Is that not a felony? Not in Clinton's case? Why?

Scooter deserves ten times worse than what he will get (probably nothing

).

He'll get it, but he'll be pardoned a year and a half later.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

YEH!!! BURN HIM AT TEh STeaK! HE EATS L1TTLE CHiLDREN!!!

No, he just shoots old guys in the face and disappears for 24 hours without making a statement.

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

No, he just shoots old guys in the face and disappears for 24 hours without making a statement.

Shoot me in the face. Will you make a statement or will you be shaken up for a day or two?

ironknee · Mar 6, 2007, 01:33 PM

pardon? pff, he'll get a medal of freedom!

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Shoot me in the face. Will you make a statement or will you be shaken up for a day or two?

That's why you have a staff. I don't buy it all.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Shoot me in the face. Will you make a statement or will you be shaken up for a day or two?

Unless I'm intoxicated, I'll not only make a statement, I'll meet with the press right away. Delays in cases such as that only give rise to conspiracy theories.

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

That's why you have a staff. I don't buy it all.

I'll second that.

OldManMac · Mar 6, 2007, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Dear god...

Her husband outed her at parties, introducing her as his "CIA wife," and it goes unnoticed? If Scooter goes to prison, Joseph Wilson should be sharing a bunk with him. And, oh yes, just for clarification...she was more like Moneypenny...not James Bond.

I haven't followed this super closely, but I' never heard the accusation that her husband outed her at parties. He may have said she works for the CIA, but that's entirely different than telling someone that their wife is an undercover agent, which I would have a hard time believing.

On another note, they asked Scooter's older brother, Motorcyle, for his comments, and he just said, "Let's ride."

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 02:01 PM

Okay, the friend that Cheney shot STATED HIMSELF that the incident was his fault because he left the group, and neglected to announce his presence once he returned. He was in a place that he shouldnt' have been. It was hunting 101, and that guy screwed it up. Cheney should go to jail for this thing? It was an accident, and the friend didn't press charges.

But, by God, the left sure hates Cheney and he SHOT A MAN! ...no more debate. He should go to prison for a thousand years! And add treason to the charges as well!

[EDIT] And how do we know that the circumstances that might have delayed a statement? They might have been too busy trying to make sure things were okay and decided to hold off until the guy was thought to be okay. Everyone here assumes Cheney was hiding in a hotel room somewhere conspiring to cover the whole thing up.

He should've just drove the guy off of a bridge, and the entire mess would've been swept under the rug.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

But, by God, the left sure hates Cheney and he SHOT A MAN! ...no more debate. He should go to prison for a thousand years! And add treason to the charges as well!

Put your knee down, I didn't say any of that.

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 02:15 PM

It's not all directed at you, Dane. It's more of a general thing (and other posts).

art_director · Mar 6, 2007, 02:16 PM

The hunting accident is more fodder for jokes than anything else.

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by art_director

The hunting accident is more fodder for jokes than anything else.

...says Leno, Letterman, O'Brien, Ferguson.

Dakar² · Mar 6, 2007, 02:19 PM

Speaking of Ferguson, I heard he actually announced he wasn't going to do Britney jokes cuz she's seriously disturbed. That's crazy talk!

Jawbone54 · Mar 6, 2007, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Speaking of Ferguson, I heard he actually announced he wasn't going to do Britney jokes cuz she's seriously disturbed. That's crazy talk!

You missed one of the greatest bits in recent late night history.

Ferguson Speaks from the Heart

Everyone who hasn't seen it yet should watch every second of that video. It was one of the first times that I've seen someone in his position completely take down the walls that people expect him to have and just open up. It was very un-Hollywood-like, which gets a big

in my book.

My favorite modern host, by far.